slow networking speeds

[simmsgre]

hello,
I have two win 7 machines, my main rig is win 7 64bit and the other an HTPC running win 7 32 bit fresh install. file transfer and sharing works without a hitch and I am running both on gigabit with cat 6 cables and showing in hardware config. speeds will top out at 8-9 mb/sec for some reason and does so for any and every file. Transfering a 20gb file takes quite a while. Any suggestions? Thanks

 

[zigzag3143]

hello,
I have two win 7 machines, my main rig is win 7 64bit and the other an HTPC running win 7 32 bit fresh install. file transfer and sharing works without a hitch and I am running both on gigabit with cat 6 cables and showing in hardware config. speeds will top out at 8-9 mb/sec for some reason and does so for any and every file. Transfering a 20gb file takes quite a while. Any suggestions? Thanks

I suspect you are using homegroup for networking. One some systems homegroup can cause slow transfer, connectivity issues, etc. You can verify this by simply setting up a new network connection and using the workgroup model instead.. workgroup uses IPv4, homegroup uses IPv6. Some hardware does not yet fully support IPv6 support.

Ken

 

[ultraplanet]

The router or switch between the machines is also gigabit?

 

[simmsgre]

my appologies for leaving out specifics. they are both not on a homegroup and yes the switch is gigabit and the nics on both comps are reporting gigabit speeds.

 

[MadMax1412]

I suspect you are using homegroup for networking. One some systems homegroup can cause slow transfer, connectivity issues, etc. You can verify this by simply setting up a new network connection and using the workgroup model instead.. workgroup uses IPv4, homegroup uses IPv6. Some hardware does not yet fully support IPv6 support.

Ken

Ken,

I'm having terrible problems with my Win7 64-bit computer and it's transfer to either my WinXP box or my NAS box (Thecus N2200). Speeds used to be fairly quick but over time it's just degraded. It's now at the point where it won't connect to the network.

I'm therefore thinking of doing a repair install as shown at http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/3413-repair-install.html .

If I was to do this, how to I setup a workgroup connection rather than a homegroup connection? Is it simply done by not joining a homegroup?

Thanks

 

[NoN]

I suspect you are using homegroup for networking. One some systems homegroup can cause slow transfer, connectivity issues, etc. You can verify this by simply setting up a new network connection and using the workgroup model instead.. workgroup uses IPv4, homegroup uses IPv6. Some hardware does not yet fully support IPv6 support.

Ken

If I was to do this, how to I setup a workgroup connection rather than a homegroup connection? Is it simply done by not joining a homegroup?

Thanks

I think maybe if you're allowed to do so...change the way of your network, this will desactivated the Homegroup settings to Workgroup...and this will parameter the firewall to this network. You can either doing it if you're not allowed to set the network, at the second pic. You'll have as well to set the DNS Name (WORKGROUP) in the advanced properties of your card.
See pics:

 

[chev65]

Homegroups has absolutely nothing, zero, zip nadda, not one thing to do with how fast your transfer speeds are and yes I have tested this six ways to Sunday. Some of the BS I hear around here is utterly rediculous.

 

[MadMax1412]

All I know at the moment is that my networking of my Win7 computer is so all over the place that the best thing probably is to do a repair install.

This is because I've:

• tried NIC drivers from Windows Update, Realtek, Gigabyte (mobo);
• changed registry settings
• changed network homegroup settings
• changed NIC settings (eg auto-negotiate speed, etc)
• and so on

All based on suggestions from my questions on various forums plus reading other similar problem threads.

Cheers

 

[NoN]

All I know at the moment is that my networking of my Win7 computer is so all over the place that the best thing probably is to do a repair install.

This is because I've:

• tried NIC drivers from Windows Update, Realtek, Gigabyte (mobo);
• changed registry settings
• changed network homegroup settings
• changed NIC settings (eg auto-negotiate speed, etc)
• and so on

All based on suggestions from my questions on various forums plus reading other similar problem threads.

Cheers

Well, registry settings are not always at ease to use...unless you know how to undo.
Could tried those settings, when you'll have repaired.

Networking run smooth here, (Win7=>Vista=>Xp) in general. I haven't tried through 2 Win7 yet.

 

[MadMax1412]

Guys,

Since my last posting a week ago, I tried doing the repair install. Although the install itself worked fine, my network capability was still a shambles, even after following up the install with the install of the mobo chipset drivers and the Win7-64 bit drivers for the NIC from the Gigabyte mobo page.

I then went the whole hog and did a format of the partition and reinstalled the OS from scratch. Installed the drivers, did Windows update and still transfers were slow at less than 90kb/second to my NAS box. At the same time, transfers of the same sized files don't take that long when transferring from my WinXP to my NAS box. (I have TV cards on both WinXP and Win7 computer and store the resulting files on the NAS box to be viewed by Network Media Players).

I have even tried assigning a specific IP address to the NIC - still no luck.

I then went to Black Viper's website to tweak the services (see Windows 7 Service Configurations by Black Viper) with no increase in network transfer speed.

Is there anywhere where I can see what might be the cause of the slow transfer's?? Would it be something to do with IP6? MTU sizes? Auto-negotiate vs setting a set speed? Some service that's started (or not started)?

ZigZag3143 wrote earlier:

I suspect you are using homegroup for networking. One some systems homegroup can cause slow transfer, connectivity issues, etc. You can verify this by simply setting up a new network connection and using the workgroup model instead.. workgroup uses IPv4, homegroup uses IPv6. Some hardware does not yet fully support IPv6 support.

When I did the repair Install, and the fresh install, when it came to the prompt for networking, it had "Home", "Office", "Public" (I think they were the 3, but you'll know which ones I mean). I could not skip pass this so I think it forced me to use a homegroup for networking. How can I turn this off and use just use workgroup networking?

++ EDIT ++

I found a thread which describes how to leave a homegroup and use workgroups

http://www.sevenforums.com/network-sharing/66050-3-pc-network-sharing.html#post587385
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/43980-homegroup-leave.html?filter

++ END EDIT ++

Regards

 

[MadMax1412]

Well guys, following my previous posts, I found I couldn't disconnect from the homegroup and even tried some ideas from threads regarding this problem but still couldn't disconnect.

So I did a format of the partition and re-installed Win7 from scratch. I then installed AVG 9 (Free), did Windows update, installed Mobo chipset drivers (I didn't install the NIC drivers from Gigabyte's (mobo) website as I wanted to see how Win7 drivers went), installed drivers for my TV card, installed Office 2003, did Microsoft update (to get Office updates). I also went into Networking and said I wanted to leave the Homegroup which it allowed me to do (after the warning regarding sharing etc)

My network speed is still rubbish. Since I've done this re-install a few days ago, I've tried transferring some of my TV shows via a mapped drive to the Thecus N2200 box. Clicking on the mapped drive usually brings up the listing of files immediately although there's some times when there seems to be a delay with the green bar progressing along the top, but perhaps this is due to doing it immediately after startup and there's some delayed services still starting. Anyway, the transfer speeds are around 6 - 26 kbps so I end up canceling the transfer as you can imagine how long it will take to transfer files ranging from 1GB to 2GB in size.

Last night was the worse. It's now doing what I saw prior to my initial "repair" and subsequent "fresh" installs. What happens is:

• The network icon in bottom right corner keeps showing a red circle, becomes green and then circle disappears. A few seconds later, it does it all over again.
• Right clicking on this icon and bring up the network map shows the connection from my computer existing and then disappearing then coming back.
• From this screen, at the bottom left corner, there's a link to the Firewall. Clicking on this shows a 2-pane window. When it first displayed, it had Home connected, Public disconnected. Then it would alternate. Home would disconnect and Public would connect.

Why is it doing this? Since I told it I wanted to leave the Homegroup, why does Windows Firewall even show something about being connected to a Home or Public group??

I even went into the properties of the NIC and set a default IP of 192.168.1.1 with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 and a gateway of 192.168.1.254 and the same for the DNS. In case it's of any importance, my ADSL modem/router is a Billion BiPac 7402. There's also a couple of switch boxes in my network setup since the Billion only has 4 and I have more network devices than that.

Why can't I get a stable network connection?
Why, when I do have a network connection, is my transfer speed to either the Thecus N2200 NAS box or my WinXP 32 bit computer so slow? (Prior to the last install, I had to resort to a cross over cable from Win7 to WinXP to transfer my files and then use the network to transfer from WinXP to N2200)

I haven't tried looking at whether shared drives work now after the install. This is another issue I'm having and have raised another thread about. FYI, my Ziova network media players can see the Win7 computer (indicating it's in the same workgroup) but when I select it, it says there's no shares. I'm not going to work on this issue until I get my network stability and transfer speed issue resolved first. I noticed in an earlier posting above that NoS said:

You'll have as well to set the DNS Name (WORKGROUP) in the advanced properties of your card.

Can someone please help me? As a stand alone computer, Win7 65 bit Pro is wonderful. Very quick and stable. But when it comes to networking, it's shocking if the network is anything other than other Win7 computers (I assume Win7 -> Win7 networking will be a breeze with homegroups and IP6)

Thanks in advance

 

[zzz2496]

This is most likely a driver problem. Try disabling "Jumbo Frames" if you see one in the NIC's option in Device Manager. It won't hurt to update the NIC driver to the latest one, and oh - disable IPv6 if you don't use Homegroup/IPv6. See if it helps...

zzz2496

 

[Zepher]

Failing switch maybe. Is there a way you can hardwire the 2 machines together and try that. You won't need a x-over cable since nearly every GigE adapter has auto-mdix.

 

[MadMax1412]

Failing switch maybe. Is there a way you can hardwire the 2 machines together and try that. You won't need a x-over cable since nearly every GigE adapter has auto-mdix.

I gather by the 2 machines you want me to hardwire together, you are talking about the Win7 computer and the N2200??

Here's how my setup is.

4 computers in my 'office' at home - Win7 Pro 64bit, 2 x WinXP 32bit, 1 x Ubuntu. All these connected to a switch. From the switch, it's connected to the socket in the wall.

Lounge-room and Bedroom - both have a Ziova/Zensonic Network media player connected to socket in wall.

Hallway closet - All wall sockets in other rooms come into this closet in addition to a telephone line. Closet has Billion Modem, Thecus N2200 NAS box and another switch.


As mentioned, yesterday the "network" connection just kept resetting yet the day before it was stable. I didn't have time this morning to see how it was. I have tried changing the port on the switch box in the "office" it's connected to.


Are there any event viewer logs I should specifically look out for? Or is there any other Performance/Error logs that Win7 generates that I should look at?

 

[pparks1]

I would really try to get my hands on another switch at this point to test with. My speeds on Windows 64-bit and 32-bit have been very solid at work. Going across a Netgear small SOHO switch or a Cisco 2970, I'm seeing speeds around 70-80MB/s consistently from Win64 to Server 2008, to Server 2003 and to Linux hosts.

 

[NoN]

Hi MadMax1412,

First you'll have to name all your computers "PC Name.WORKGROUP" (see screenshots!)
Keep the name you created when you had activated your copies of windows on each computers, and name them WORKGROUP.

They will all appear like: PC Name.WORKGROUP

 

[NoN]

Second you'll have to set on each computer as the post above (on all computers aswell), the DNS name (WORKGROUP) in your card Wireless or NIC , depend if you are wired or not...(see again screenshots).

This will resolve some of your troubles...maybe not all but if all your computers are set the same they will be connected better & faster recognized together.

Name their IP adress in order to use:
-Computer 1: 192.168.1.11...192.168.1.1 (Wifi router)
-Computer 2: 192.168.1.12
-Computer 3: 192.168.1.13
-Computer 4: 192.168.1.14

Or if Wired you should use: 192.168.0.11 instead...192.168.0.1 (NIC router)

 

[NoN]

Third you'll have the options tweaking the registry for "LanmanServer & LanmanWorkstation" Parameters & "Tcpip" Parameters....to secure & improve the bandwidth.

But this is another later matter discuss for the Windows 2000 Professional Ed. And you can find over the net some of it.

Hope these 3 posts helps! Let us know...

 

[zzz2496]

Hi MadMax1412,

First you'll have to name all your computers "PC Name.WORKGROUP" (see screenshots!)
Keep the name you created when you had activated your copies of windows, and name them WORKGROUP.

They will all appear like: PC Name.WORKGROUP

Second you'll have to set on each computer as the post above (on all computers aswell), the DNS name (WORKGROUP) in your card Wireless or NIC , depend if you are wired or not...(see again screenshots).

This will resolve some of your troubles...maybe not all but if all your computers are set the same they will be connected better & faster recognized together.

Name their IP adress in order to use:
-Computer 1: 192.168.1.11...192.168.1.1 (Wifi router)
-Computer 2: 192.168.1.12
-Computer 3: 192.168.1.13
-Computer 4: 192.168.1.14

Or if Wired you should use: 192.168.0.11 instead...192.168.0.1 (NIC router)

Third you'll have the options tweaking the registry for "LanmanServer & LanmanWorkstation" Parameters & "Tcpip" Parameters....to secure & improve the bandwidth.

But this is another later matter, discuss for the Windows 2000 Professional Ed. And you can find over the net some of it.

Hope these 3 posts helps! Let us know...

Wow, nicely done... I had my days in W2K Client/Server administration. Your guide brings back memories (good ones, and ugly ones) One correction though, "WORKGROUP" is not a "DNS name", it's WINS name/group and you don't need to be on the same "workgroup" to be able to contact each other. Workgroups are only for "folder"-ing networked computers so when you open Network (or Network neighborhood) it will only show computers in your current workgroup, simplifying your network browsing experience.

zzz2496

 

[NoN]

Hi MadMax1412,

First you'll have to name all your computers "PC Name.WORKGROUP" (see screenshots!)
Keep the name you created when you had activated your copies of windows, and name them WORKGROUP.

They will all appear like: PC Name.WORKGROUP

Second you'll have to set on each computer as the post above (on all computers aswell), the DNS name (WORKGROUP) in your card Wireless or NIC , depend if you are wired or not...(see again screenshots).

This will resolve some of your troubles...maybe not all but if all your computers are set the same they will be connected better & faster recognized together.

Name their IP adress in order to use:
-Computer 1: 192.168.1.11...192.168.1.1 (Wifi router)
-Computer 2: 192.168.1.12
-Computer 3: 192.168.1.13
-Computer 4: 192.168.1.14

Or if Wired you should use: 192.168.0.11 instead...192.168.0.1 (NIC router)

Third you'll have the options tweaking the registry for "LanmanServer & LanmanWorkstation" Parameters & "Tcpip" Parameters....to secure & improve the bandwidth.

But this is another later matter, discuss for the Windows 2000 Professional Ed. And you can find over the net some of it.

Hope these 3 posts helps! Let us know...

Wow, nicely done... I had my days in W2K Client/Server administration. Your guide brings back memories (good ones, and ugly ones) One correction though, "WORKGROUP" is not a "DNS name", it's WINS name/group and you don't need to be on the same "workgroup" to be able to contact each other. Workgroups are only for "folder"-ing networked computers so when you open Network (or Network neighborhood) it will only show computers in your current workgroup, simplifying your network browsing experience.

zzz2496

WORKGROUP is only there for the purpose of resolving NetBios Name..."Wins" should be set as default either.

That's what I meant in those previous posts, by simplifying the network browsing experience.