The big bang theory

[Hanna 1]

I'm going to schedule vacation for when that happens

A Guy

I'd better book my ticket before the big rush. Where are we going again?

Following your steps and looking for an hybernation method who last at least 4 billion years

 

[A Guy]

I was thinking Sirius. I like dogs, and they have satellite radio

A Guy

 

[pincushion]

I was going to comment about freedoms and censorship but I have decided to self censor - sorry all, know how you will be so disappointed.

:devil2:

 

[marsmimar]

I was thinking Sirius. I like dogs, and they have satellite radio

A Guy

 

[Slartybart]

Huh? It is likely the sun will be flung into a new region of our galaxy, but our Earth and solar system are in no danger of being destroyed.

Don't worry about the sun folks - our Earth will be fine without it. That old sol was just a bunch of hot air hydrogen anyway - good riddance, I say!

I'm done and out. Good topic Nitroman. I have my own theory-but I'm waiting to publish and win the Nobel prize, so I can't divulge it here.

 

[nitroman84]

Huh? It is likely the sun will be flung into a new region of our galaxy, but our Earth and solar system are in no danger of being destroyed.

Don't worry about the sun folks - our Earth will be fine without it. That old sol was just a bunch of hot air hydrogen anyway - good riddance, I say!

I'm done and out. Good topic Nitroman. I have my own theory-but I'm waiting to publish and win the Nobel prize, so I can't divulge it here.

Yeah, I I thought it was an interesting subject matter. Can't wait for your Nobel prize winning writing. Hopefully us forum members will get a taste before it is released to the general public

 

[Slartybart]

Don't hold your breathe Nitro, Peer review takes a LONG time and the scientific community is very hard on people who try to change reality.

..... Can't wait for your Nobel prize winning writing......

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Quick lock the doors, the inmates have the keys to the asylum!

I would imagine that all of the residents in the sanitariums think that they are sane also. .....

 

[seekermeister]

Don't hold your breathe Nitro, Peer review takes a LONG time and the scientific community is very hard on people who try to change reality.

No, actually they are quite receptive to anyone capable of adding a few brush strokes to the painting of a picture of anything that exists only in their minds. Reality has nothiing to do with it. It is said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but if you stare at it too long, you begin to see that the canvas is rotten, and the paint is so thick and lumpy that the easel can't carry the weight. So after a quick glance, look away before or you will begin to realize that it is all a deception designed to catch the unwary like flies on flypaper.

 

[Slartybart]

@seeker: A few brush strokes... I'm insulted. My paper tears down the accepted and that threatens established academia. I don't know if I'll survive the review, literally.

Ahh, but all of which you speak only adds to the beauty; the rotten canvas, the cracked oils..... But that's simply my eye and my reality. In my reality, there is no deception, just many, many unknowns. We have but only a few pieces of the puzzle and none of the edge pieces.

Can't do much about the flies though, that's just reality for ya.

 

[seekermeister]

I've always wondered if with all of the eyes that flies have, if their brains piece all of the images together, or if they see the world as a mosaic of images, as sometimes depicted in films? If the latter, it is no wonder that they can be so pesky, because they can't see things as they really are. In science, if a piece of the puzzle doesn't fit, they simply use scissors to trim it to fit, or throw it away when no one is looking.

 

[Slartybart]

@seeker: I see it differently. Say that THE answer is a jigsaw puzzle. We don't have the box it came in so we don't know what the end result should look like. we only have say, 10 pieces of a 100,000 piece puzzle, they are not edge pieces and they are not adjacent pieces. There is no way to fit the 10 pieces together, even if you cut them (the pattern on the pieces doesn't match). We lay out the 10 pieces in what is the best way we can think of, and fill in some of the remaining space.

Religion and Science are mostly mysteries to us, so we best guess most of it. Science is man's attempt to figure it out and might be the way revelation was intended to occur - naturally. Religion tells us that we cannot fathom the mysteries and that all will be revealed in good time. Not a big difference in my mind.

I know families with "severely retarded" children - I am in awe of the intellect of these children. They cannot tie their shoes, they cannot feed themselves, but they have certain mental abilities beyond normal humans. One young girl can name every instrument in a full orchestra, while it is playing it's part - furthermore, she can identify the note being played by all instruments. This requires considerable brain power to decipher all of the instruments and all of the notes played concurrently and then to communicate that to anyone around. This simply astounds me, I want to build a school where I can learn from "severely retarded" people.

I've try not to ridicule anything (sarcasm is different :sarc - there is much to learn from everyone once we look beyond our own biases and find the gold nuggets they possess.

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Note: I mentioned 42 in an earlier post. That is a reference to the Douglas Adams' "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", a trilogy in 5 or 6 books. Without spoiling the ending - the trilogy humorously explains what can go wrong with a scientific explanation of the universe.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Life, The Universe and Everything[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The unhappy inhabitants of planet Krikkit are sick of looking at the night sky above their heads - so they plan to destroy it. The universe, that is. Now only five individuals stand between the killer robots of Krikkit and their goals of annihilation. They are Arthur Dent, a mild mannered space and time traveller, who tries to learn how to fly by throwing himself at the ground and missing; Ford Prefect, his best friend who decides to go insane to see if he likes it; Slartibartfast, the indomitable vice president of the campaign for Real Time, who travels in a ship powered by irrational behaviour; Zaphod Beeblebrox, the two-headed, three-armed ex-head honcho of the universe; and Trillian, the sexy space cadet who is torn between a persistent Thunder God and a very depressed Beeblebrox.[/FONT]

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If anyone is interested, some folks have been building a Galactic Encyclopedia - it's been around a while, perhaps longer than Wiki. Is it accurate? Well, it's mostly harmless

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Anyway, I've enjoyed this discussion - it's time to get back to work.

Peace!

 

[z3r010]

Thread cleaned and re-opened.

Can we please just keep to the science and leave the religion out of it.

 

[seekermeister]

@seeker: I see it differently. Say that THE answer is a jigsaw puzzle. We don't have the box it came in so we don't know what the end result should look like. we only have say, 10 pieces of a 100,000 piece puzzle, they are not edge pieces and they are not adjacent pieces. There is no way to fit the 10 pieces together, even if you cut them (the pattern on the pieces doesn't match). We lay out the 10 pieces in what is the best way we can think of, and fill in some of the remaining space.

I have no problem with puzzles, when they are simply games, or dealt with seriously. However, what science uses to fill the spaces between the pieces is Silly Putty, which can not only be shaped in any fashion desired, and disguised to appear like a real piece. The shelf life of the putty is not as long as need be, because when left in place long enough, it hardens and is passed off as real, rather than a calculated facsimile. Even it it's hardened state, it keeps bouncing back

Religion and Science are mostly mysteries to us, so we best guess most of it. Science is man's attempt to figure it out and might be the way revelation was intended to occur - naturally. Religion tells us that we cannot fathom the mysteries and that all will be revealed in good time. Not a big difference in my mind.

To each his own.

I know families with "severely retarded" children - I am in awe of the intellect of these children. They cannot tie their shoes, they cannot feed themselves, but they have certain mental abilities beyond normal humans. One young girl can name every instrument in a full orchestra, while it is playing it's part - furthermore, she can identify the note being played by all instruments. This requires considerable brain power to decipher all of the instruments and all of the notes played concurrently and then to communicate that to anyone around. This simply astounds me, I want to build a school where I can learn from "severely retarded" people.

What do you think of the TV program "Touch"?

I've try not to ridicule anything (sarcasm is different :sarc - there is much to learn from everyone once we look beyond our own biases and find the gold nuggets they possess.

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Note: I mentioned 42 in an earlier post. That is a reference to the Douglas Adams' "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", a trilogy in 5 or 6 books. Without spoiling the ending - the trilogy humorously explains what can go wrong with a scientific explanation of the universe.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Life, The Universe and Everything[/FONT]
​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The unhappy inhabitants of planet Krikkit are sick of looking at the night sky above their heads - so they plan to destroy it. The universe, that is. Now only five individuals stand between the killer robots of Krikkit and their goals of annihilation. They are Arthur Dent, a mild mannered space and time traveller, who tries to learn how to fly by throwing himself at the ground and missing; Ford Prefect, his best friend who decides to go insane to see if he likes it; Slartibartfast, the indomitable vice president of the campaign for Real Time, who travels in a ship powered by irrational behaviour; Zaphod Beeblebrox, the two-headed, three-armed ex-head honcho of the universe; and Trillian, the sexy space cadet who is torn between a persistent Thunder God and a very depressed Beeblebrox.[/FONT]

​

If anyone is interested, some folks have been building a Galactic Encyclopedia - it's been around a while, perhaps longer than Wiki. Is it accurate? Well, it's mostly harmless

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No comment.

Anyway, I've enjoyed this discussion - it's time to get back to work.

Peace!

 

[motster]

a thing that i find amazing is that scientists estimate that we only understand 4% of the universe. 4 PERCENT. we know so much about everything yet we know so little. i believe that if man kind doesn't become extinct from nuclear weapons or who knows what, we WILL understand how the universe was created but when we do we will be past the 90% mark. so my answer to your question is. meh who cares im never going to know real answer anyways so why think about it.

in the mean time we should focus on what we can do such as exploring out galaxy. I cant wait till we finally pull the money together to land on Mars that's a day im looking for ward to.

 

[seekermeister]

So, you don't mind being taxed for something that you or any average citizen will never receive any benefit from...other than possibly some kind of spin-off technology, that may or may not be of any use to you?

 

[z3r010]

I'd pay tax for something like a maned mars landing, it's better than the crap they spend it on now.

 

[boohbah]

i think mankinds future may benefit from these space excursions. i think there should be a universal space program where all countries work together to achieve for the greater good.
of course this is very unlikely but in a perfect world....

 

[seekermeister]

I'd pay tax for something like a maned mars landing, it's better than the crap they spend it on now.

I would be he last to disagree that there is a lot of waste in government spending, but adding more waste to that is not a remedy. What makes you believe that this is a better waste of money?

 

[z3r010]

Mankinds survival depends on us eventually getting off this little rock and spreading our wings into the wider universe, if I can play a part in that by paying my taxes then I'm more than happy.

 

[Thorsen]

Mankinds survival depends on us eventually getting off this little rock and spreading our wings into the wider universe, if I can play a part in that by paying my taxes then I'm more than happy.

Although it is inevitable that we will need to expand to another planet, the rate of doubling will not allow only population of one planet to be sustainable.

Right now the doubling is every 60 years.

There will be a point when we have a higher population than can be sustained on one planet.

Say thats 2 generations from now. There are 7 Billion people right now

14 billion in one generation. 28 Billion in two generations or 120 years.

If this is the max load for the planet then in the next generation, one planet will need to be fully populated with another 28 billion people thats 180 years from now.

In the next generation, 2 more planets. The next 4; the next 8.

If my math is right, In 360 years, we will have fully populated all 8 planets in our solar system. in the next generation after that we will need to fully populate a complete solar system with 448 Billion people that will be year 2372.