Trying to clone a disk with Macrium, see image

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Hi all,

I'd like to do the following simple cloning with Macrium, from a 149 GB HDD to an existing partition of 151 GB of an external drive, as pictured here:
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Is it possible to clone this by "deleting existing partition" F, without deleting the other partition E?

I've used Macrium cloning before, but only to blank destination hard drives.

Thank you.
 

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...I'd like to do the following simple cloning with Macrium, from a 149 GB HDD to an existing partition of 151 GB of an external drive...
...Is it possible to clone this by "deleting existing partition" F, without deleting the other partition E?


I see from your screenshot that you have Macrium Reflect Free v6.1.1311. That's exactly four years old today.
Marcium said:
6.1.1311 - 24th May 2016
Macrium Reflect Patch Details


Is there any good reason you have not upgraded to the current version v7.2? If it were a 'paid for' version then you'd need to buy a licence to upgrade from v6 to v7, but the Free version can be upgraded for free.



I've not tried cloning from one disk to another, but in my v7.2 I have restored a partition from a MR image over an existing partition without disturbing the rest. Macrium will resize the partition to fit if the destination partition is smaller than the source partition (provided the used space of the source partition will fit). The key is to use the 'Drag partitions to the destination disk...' option.
 

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I don't use macrium nowadays, however other cloning programs will often only clone or copy to unallocated space. That is probably to prevent the user from accidentally overwriting a partition they wanted to keep. Seems to be standard among programs that will do "cloning".

I popularized macrium many years ago on the Vista forum. At the time only vista ultimate had system image built in, and the other free offerings from branded oem versions of Acronis were pretty clunky.

Since then, other programs are more suitable for my use.
 

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Its not clear what you are trying to do your copying partition which means it may be useless if the mbr isn't written as if you restore with it writing the boot record it won't work
 

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Yes, it can be done, though the clone will not boot until the BCD is reset.

Before we continue, though, it's worth asking what your purpose is. It appears you're using an external drive to store backups of your other computers. Cloning is the wrong process for that task. Use imaging instead. You only need a clone if you're intending to boot that clone, but you cannot (easily) boot Win7 from an external drive anyway, which leads me to believe your intent is merely to have a backup. Imaging is better for that purpose.

But if this is a hard disk in an external adapter that you intend to subsequently swap and boot from an internal bay, then yes, it will work ... though if that were the case I'd wonder why you need to preserve the HPCompaq partition, too.

But to get back to the question you asked, see if my webpage here (steps 3-7) helps gives you a preview of the process. Note that you'll have to delete the ToshibaA210 partition first.

If this disk were meant to be bootable, you'd need to follow that up with steps 11-14 to reconfigure the BCD. Note that cannot be done from the installed version of Macrium, it needs to be done from a Macrium Rescue CD or USB stick.
 

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if this is a hard disk in an external adapter that you intend to subsequently swap and boot from an internal bay, then yes, it will work


Seems reasonable to have a clone for that purpose. Can easily be made bootable with cmd prompt or little gui I knocked up. In a crisis can be quickly swapped in and booted up.
 

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Yes, it can be done, though the clone will not boot until the BCD is reset.

Before we continue, though, it's worth asking what your purpose is. It appears you're using an external drive to store backups of your other computers. Cloning is the wrong process for that task. Use imaging instead. You only need a clone if you're intending to boot that clone, but you cannot (easily) boot Win7 from an external drive anyway, which leads me to believe your intent is merely to have a backup. Imaging is better for that purpose.

But if this is a hard disk in an external adapter that you intend to subsequently swap and boot from an internal bay, then yes, it will work ... though if that were the case I'd wonder why you need to preserve the HPCompaq partition, too.

But to get back to the question you asked, see if my webpage here (steps 3-7) helps gives you a preview of the process. Note that you'll have to delete the ToshibaA210 partition first.

If this disk were meant to be bootable, you'd need to follow that up with steps 11-14 to reconfigure the BCD. Note that cannot be done from the installed version of Macrium, it needs to be done from a Macrium Rescue CD or USB stick.

Thank you all!

Yes, I should have been more specific about the purpose of this. I want a cloned hard drive in case my laptop HDD goes south. The setup I showed is to an external drive in a USB caddy, which I'd like to swap into the laptop if needed.

I checked the instructions for the image on your page, very helpful! But I have a couple of questions,
a) "Boot from your Macrium Reflect Rescue media (CD or USB stick)". I thought Windows 7 doesn't boot from a USB stick (inherent Windows limitation?).
b) Does "Delete existing partition" (in my case the "ToshibaA210" partition) actually format?

The "HPCompaq" partition is just a backup of Documents. I can probably find another drive for that.

But to clarify, steps 11-15 need to be performed with a cloned drive in the laptop and the CD rescue disk in the CD/DVD drive. Any steps I should take now with BIOS by the way?

Thank you again.
 

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The setup I showed is to an external drive in a USB caddy, which I'd like to swap into the laptop if needed.
[...]
The "HPCompaq" partition is just a backup of Documents. I can probably find another drive for that.
Ah, okay. I had mistaken the "HPCompaq" and "ToshibaA210" labels to be backups of the OSes from those computers.

I still contend imaging is a more sensible strategy than cloning for backing up an OS, though I know others disagree so I present my rationale but don't pursue it if someone makes an informed choice. FTR, I lay out my arguments in the epilogue of my video here, starting at about the 18:15 mark.

[Edit: Oops, wrong time marker -- that's the argument for a separate data partition. The clone-vs-image discussion is at the 15:30 mark.]


I checked the instructions for the image on your page, very helpful! But I have a couple of questions,
a) "Boot from your Macrium Reflect Rescue media (CD or USB stick)". I thought Windows 7 doesn't boot from a USB stick (inherent Windows limitation?).

b) Does "Delete existing partition" (in my case the "ToshibaA210" partition) actually format?

But to clarify, steps 11-15 need to be performed with a cloned drive in the laptop and the CD rescue disk in the CD/DVD drive. Any steps I should take now with BIOS by the way?
Win7 isn't being booted from the USB stick. It's the Macrium rescue media that's being booted. Essentially, it's a WinPE boot stick customized to boot only the Macrium program and nothing else.

Steps 11-15 make use of the "Fix Windows Boot Problems" feature in Macrium Reflect. That feature is not available from the installed program, so to make use of that option you'll need to boot from the Macrium rescue media instead.

If you haven't already done so, create the rescue media by launching the installed program and finding its menu option to "create rescue media". That can be to a CD or a USB stick. To then boot from the media, reboot your computer with the media inserted and perform whatever steps your manufacturer specifies to boot from external media.

Try booting from your rescue media and walking through the beginning steps to familiarize yourself with the process. Steps are just queued and nothing is actually committed to disk until you get to step 8 of my tutorial.

"Deleting" does nothing more than erase a partition's entry from the partition table at the front of the disk. The contents of the partition's sectors are actually still intact until overwritten by another partition. The "format" of a partition is part of the cloning (or image restore) process, so "deleting" does not "format" anything.

Steps 11-15 must be performed after the target partition(s) is restored (via cloning or image restore) and the disk is in its intended operating location -- e.g., yes, installed internally in your laptop. Macrium has to be able to analyze the boot environment (i.e., where the disk is and where its partitions are) so it can reconfigure the BCD on the clone startup partition so the clone OS will boot.

Note that can be problematic if the target disk is not in its final resting place. You'll find more about that in the earlier sections of my aforementioned video. At worst, you'd have to wait and perform steps 11-15 when you actually need the clone and have it installed in the internal bay.

Finally, as an aside, note you don't actually need the System Reserved partition if it gets in your way. If you were to clone (or image restore) just the OS partition, Macrium's "Fix Windows Boot Problems" function could rebuild the BCD on the OS partition instead of the System Reserved partition. But that's a discussion for another time.
 
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You could use this for more functions:
17514x64v20.iso


wdo-full.jpg


The iso is about 500mb cuz theres a lot of stuff in it. Most is run from usb to keep the wim size manageable and it is persistent so programs on the usb stick can be changed/updated/added.

extract the iso to usb stick. usb7ice is an easy tool for doing that
View attachment Usb7ice.zip

If you really want to include macrium, run the little get-macrium file in the Uprograms folder and it will copy the required files from your current installation onto the usb stick.

Uprograms.jpg
 

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If you want a shortcut on the boot media desktop, just add a line to Uprogs.ini which you will see on the root of the usb stick.

Uprogs-ini.jpg
 

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