Upgrading was a Mistake

[aij235h]

So I bought and built myself a brand new ryzen 7 system. And got windows 7 to work on it with no problems. After using my new PC for a lil' while, I realized that I made a mistake. I was just fine with my sandy bridge system. I'm not a power user and the games I play run fine with DX11. I wasted over 1000$ on a brand new computer that I didn't need. If you guys are like me dont bother getting a new PC, a smarter option would be upgrading what you currently have, more RAM, better GPU, New SSD, Etc. Ryzen is nice and I'm not knocking it. it's just not enough of an upgrade from a sandybirdge chip for the average user. If you're using a first gen i7, phenom or god forbid a bulldozer; then yeah go for it, other wise stick with what you got.

Also I've noticed something odd about Windows 10. It performs better in featherweight tasks and synthetics, but open more than a dozen or so youtube videos and it begins to lag. Windows 7 on the other hand can handle high stress loads even better. As I write this I have 20+ youtube tabs open and downloading and I'm playing a game on my second monitor with zero hiccups or frame rate loss. Same exact specs, just one SSD has win 10 and the other Win 7.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

I am a little confused as to what you saying aij mate it sounds like you are happy with your Sandy Bridge I have one myself and running 10 on it my other machines are running both systems although the Windows 7 machines have issues.

Now if you are happy with 7 on the S and like 10 why not drop a 10 OEM into the new machine and have the best of both worlds remembering that support for 7 is on the downhill run and sooner or later you are going to have got have 10 unless you are willing to run 7 which could become compromised. From a personal point of view I would go the 10 OEM on the new machine and like I said have the best of both worlds or even sell it on and recoup some of your money.

Now if you decide to got the latter then if/when you do install the 10 make sure you clean the drive first and not just format it.

 

[AddRAM]

aij, you don't have to tell us that, almost everyone of us here builds our own PC`s and we usually upgrade within a 2 year period, to us it`s a hobby/obsession

My Z170 build is not even 2 years old and I've already gotten my X299 and a 7800X. I`ll get the 7900X when I can afford it.

My 980 Ti`s are 2 years and 3 months old and it's time for some new cards.

 

[fireberd]

I use mine for my recording studio. Using a lot of MIDI Synths can eat up CPU and memory. Having a relatively new machine helps for this type of recording studio. I went from an i7 3770 to and i7 6700K last December. It will last for another year or two and will need updating. However, for recording studio work Ryzen is out as (poor) audio latency is one problem with Ryzen. Intel wins out for a recording studio "DAW" (PC).

 

[Mellon Head]

However, for recording studio work Ryzen is out as (poor) audio latency is one problem with Ryzen. Intel wins out for a recording studio "DAW" (PC).

Good to know fireberd. I was about to buy a Ryzen for my new DAW. I guess it's Intel for me now.

Whew!

 

[aij235h]

What I'm trying to say is that if you're a normal everyday user like myself, you may not need to upgrade at all. Prosumers maybe should upgrade, but the rest of us, Nah.

Windows 10 does nothing better than 7 nor does 10 have anything that I want. DX12, Vulcan, Etc. I dont need them, most games run fine on DX11 for me.

Dont get caught up in the hype guys.

P.S. I usually upgrade my computer every 5 years or so.

 

[fireberd]

Jim Roseberry, who builds commercial DAW PC's for a living, frequently posts on the Cakewalk Sonar Forum. He apparently did some in depth testing of Ryzen motherboards and CPU's and posted some findings. His take is he will not offer or build a Ryzen system for his customers.
Purrrfect Audio

 

[Mellon Head]

If someone making professional DAW machines won't build a Ryzen system for his customers, that really says a lot about the Ryzen platform itself. If the latency is as much of a problem as is indicated, how well do they perform in other scientific based and time critical tasks? I would be interested in reading something of that as well. (If only from an intellectual standpoint, I'm going Intel)

 

[ethel]

Hi Everyone, I was just reading aij235h (or god forbid a bulldozer) and curious what is wrong with it.

I have had the AMD A4-5300 dual core processor coming up to 4 years, and have had no problems with it,

and it plays all of the games I want to play with no worries, just wondering why it is seen as bad.

 

[RoasterMen]

AMD's past is well known for bottlenecking their CPUs with their onboard graphics. I see so much wasted potential with A12-9800. So much for GPU horsepower and a poor CPU performance.

 

[Mellon Head]

Hi Everyone, I was just reading aij235h (or god forbid a bulldozer) and curious what is wrong with it.

I have had the AMD A4-5300 dual core processor coming up to 4 years, and have had no problems with it,

and it plays all of the games I want to play with no worries, just wondering why it is seen as bad.

There is nothing wrong with an AMD CPU for everyday computing. They are perfectly serviceable processors. I've been using them for years with no complaints.

However, what fireberd and I are talking about is the fact that the Ryzen series of AMD chips has a latency problem in digital audio workstations (DAWs). That happens when you are playing an instrument to record and you have a delay between what you play and what you hear. It can be difficult to deal with as you might hear the drums a small fraction of a second before you hear the guitar you are playing, and it can throw you off. I don't have much of a problem with my FX-8350 Vishera AMD CPU (it seems after some adjusting), but if the Ryzen is having the issues as claimed, it's of no use to me for what I want to do. Thus my next machine will be Intel.

Nothing wrong with AMD, though Roaster does make a good point about bottlenecking. AMD boards of my vintage (ASUS M5A97 R 2.0) even bottleneck my discrete graphics card, limiting it to PCIe 2.0 rather than PCIe 3.0 which is the most recent standard IIRC. This results in lower performance than my card is capable of, making me unhappy. Newer AMD motherboards are starting to support PCIe 3.0, but it should have happened long ago.

 

[ethel]

Hi Mellon Head, I was just curious about it all as I am just a home user, and do not know much about

hardware.