WEI problem

[Tyderion]

Hello

Regardless of an overclock the score stays the same (at least in 64bit Windows 7 RTM Build 7600)

Before, when I was using the RC 32bit (Build 7100) my scores were as following (before overclocking):
CPU: 7.1 (Q6600 G0 @2.4ghz (9x266)
RAM: 5.5 (ddr3 533mhz 8-8-8-20 CR:1T)
Graphics: 6.3 (GF8800GT @ 625mhz coreclock, 900 mhz memory clock)
Gaming: 6.3 (same)
HD: 5.9 (WD Raptor 10000rpm)

after overclocking they were like this:
CPU: 7.3 (Q6600 G0 @3.2ghz (8x400)
RAM: 5.5 (ddr3 800mhz 7-7-7-20 CR:1T)
Graphics: 6.9 (GF8800GT @ 707mhz core (shader linked), 1030 mhz memory clock)
gaming: 6.9 (same)
HD: 5.9 (WD Raptor 10000rpm)

My FSB:RAM Ratio was always 1:2

But now I am using Windows 7 RTM 64bit (Build 7600) and I first measured the scores with the OC in place and the Score was the same as in the RC (7.3, 5.5, 6.9, 6.9, 5.9) but then I used stock Bios settings and didn't overclock my Graphics Card anymore but the WEI-score didnt decrease back to the pre-OC levels.

Two things I don't understand:

1. Why didn't my RAM score go up when I OC'ed it to 1600mhz 7-7-7-20?
2. Why didn't the score go down again after using stock settings?

I attached a picture of the WEI as well as a screen of CPU-Z before and after showing the memory Timings as well as the CPU Speed.

btw. while measuring the WEI I never had open any other programs.

Thanks for helping me understanding this.

 

[7echno7im]

Hello

Regardless of an overclock the score stays the same (at least in 64bit Windows 7 RTM Build 7600)

Before, when I was using the RC 32bit (Build 7100) my scores were as following (before overclocking):
CPU: 7.1 (Q6600 G0 @2.4ghz (9x266)
RAM: 5.5 (ddr3 533mhz 8-8-8-20 CR:1T)
Graphics: 6.3 (GF8800GT @ 625mhz coreclock, 900 mhz memory clock)
Gaming: 6.3 (same)
HD: 5.9 (WD Raptor 10000rpm)

after overclocking they were like this:
CPU: 7.3 (Q6600 G0 @3.2ghz (8x400)
RAM: 5.5 (ddr3 800mhz 7-7-7-20 CR:1T)
Graphics: 6.9 (GF8800GT @ 707mhz core (shader linked), 1030 mhz memory clock)
gaming: 6.9 (same)
HD: 5.9 (WD Raptor 10000rpm)

My FSB:RAM Ratio was always 1:2

But now I am using Windows 7 RTM 64bit (Build 7600) and I first measured the scores with the OC in place and the Score was the same as in the RC (7.3, 5.5, 6.9, 6.9, 5.9) but then I used stock Bios settings and didn't overclock my Graphics Card anymore but the WEI-score didnt decrease back to the pre-OC levels.

Two things I don't understand:

1. Why didn't my RAM score go up when I OC'ed it to 1600mhz 7-7-7-20?
2. Why didn't the score go down again after using stock settings?

I attached a picture of the WEI as well as a screen of CPU-Z before and after showing the memory Timings as well as the CPU Speed.

btw. while measuring the WEI I never had open any other programs.

Thanks for helping me understanding this.

1. Why didn't my RAM score go up when I OC'e
2. Why didn't the score go down again after using stock settings?

I think because amount of RAM is more weighted than speed. If you only have 4GB, i think the WEI will go up as you go up in amount of RAM. I have seen the same results on my RAM, and I have 6GB. When I OC'd from 1066 to 1600, I did see a jump, but it was only like .2.

I have 7.4 right now for my RAM and it is not OC'd at all. 6GB triple channel, OC'ing it only got me to 7.5.

 

[7echno7im]

wait, do you have 4GB or 6?

 

[Tyderion]

2 ... i only got 2 GB of ram....

i didn't upgrade the ram, i just timed and clocked it with its tested speed. on the dimms there is label: tested at 1600mhz@7-7-7-20 with 1.8V. (or something similar, the numbers are right)

 

[7echno7im]

2 ... i only got 2 GB of ram....

that'syour problem. WEI weighs low ram over higher speed. If you add another 2g you willl shoot up tremendously.

I think their thought process is, that your performance is degraded with 2GB of RAM, and a faster RAM clock won't really increase performance.

 

[Tyderion]

you mean, faster ram DOES NOT increase performance
my system is a lot "snappier" after the OC than before, but that could just be related to the faster FSB and CPU (even though that should also be visible in the RAM score).

Yeah I was thinking about buying 2 more dimms (of the same type to be able to have the same timing/speed settings for all of them). Thanks
I'm just thinking about that and I don't know what would be more useful... 2x1GB more (total: 4x1GB) or to buy 2x2GB new (2x2GB total). but those 2GB dimms i can buy here (in switzerland without using amazon and buying it from the usa or something) have timings I don't like (9-9-9-24) ... any help?



Now I'm only wondering why my score didn't go back down to the original value after using stock settings (CPU/Graphics Score) ... when I was using build 7100 it went up/down accordingly ... but now it just stays the same ... it just stays at the OC'ed values...

 

[7echno7im]

I am sure it probably is snappier, specially when it comes to RAM OC's. i just have seen WEI for RAM in the past lay heavily on the amount of RAM over the speed.

 

[Tyderion]

thanks

what would you recommend?
2x2GB @ 1600mhz 9-9-9-24
or
4x1GB @ 1600mhz 7-7-7-20
?

i'd go for the second option ... for two reasons:
1. i already got one pair
2. i won't need more than 4 GB anytime soon (maybe if I upgrade to i7 but my pc is by far fast enough for me...)

 

[7echno7im]

thanks

what would you recommend?
2x2GB @ 1600mhz 9-9-9-24
or
4x1GB @ 1600mhz 7-7-7-20
?

i'd go for the second option ... for two reasons:
1. i already got one pair
2. i won't need more than 4 GB anytime soon (maybe if I upgrade to i7 but my pc is by far fast enough for me...)

yeah for sure. Use what you have and add more.

If you upgrade to an i7 you can then use triple channel memory and do a 3x2GB or even 3x4GB.

 

[Tyderion]

thanks for helping me ... i'm quite new to the overclocking I always knew I had a system I could OC but I never did it...

but you've also got no idea why my WEI score isn't changing anymore?
I mean ... after "downgrading" to stock settings (slower ram, slower cpu, slower fsb, slower gpu) my score should go down to the original values... so i'm kinda ... confused...

lol your signature

 

[7echno7im]

thanks for helping me ... i'm quite new to the overclocking I always knew I had a system I could OC but I never did it...

but you've also got no idea why my WEI score isn't changing anymore?
I mean ... after "downgrading" to stock settings (slower ram, slower cpu, slower fsb, slower gpu) my score should go down to the original values... so i'm kinda ... confused...

lol your signature

Did you re-run the assessment after clocking it back?

 

[Tyderion]

sure ... without that it would be quite pointless to say it didn't change ....
i reran the assessment (like always, not having opened any other programs)
but it didn't change...
maybe I will re-re-assess the score again later to see if it really doesn't change but ...

 

[7echno7im]

duh! Sorry for that dumb question. Well WEI is pretty basic. If you want to benchmark at a more granular level, get 3DMARK. The basic version is free. You can then see the benefits of the tweaks you do.

Futuremark - Benchmarks - 3DMark06 - Download

 

[Tyderion]

i know that it's not about benchmarking or anything ... i know my pc is a lot faster and "snappier" OC'ed than not OC'ed ... (I used 3DMark Vantage as well as PCMark Vantage) ... i just thought maybe this happened to other people too to know it's not my Win7 Version or something which ... messes it up.
I was just curious if somebody knew the cause of that...
up to now I thought WEI was basic, but at least more or less according to the specs (so to say, faster cpu means higher score, same for gpu, hd etc) but well ... it seems there are some bugs when reassessing.... and some strange RAM-performance assessment
maybe i'll reinstall onto a different HD to see if I can reproduce that ... bug?

thanks for the links and the help nonetheless

 

[Tyderion]

as was browsing through the threads i stumbled upon this:


http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/342-show-us-your-wei-16.html#post12882

it says you may need to delete some file so that the changes in the WEI show up.
Will try that out later, I suspect this solves the "changes not appearing"-bug

 

[7echno7im]

i know that it's not about benchmarking or anything ... i know my pc is a lot faster and "snappier" OC'ed than not OC'ed ... (I used 3DMark Vantage as well as PCMark Vantage) ... i just thought maybe this happened to other people too to know it's not my Win7 Version or something which ... messes it up.
I was just curious if somebody knew the cause of that...
up to now I thought WEI was basic, but at least more or less according to the specs (so to say, faster cpu means higher score, same for gpu, hd etc) but well ... it seems there are some bugs when reassessing.... and some strange RAM-performance assessment
maybe i'll reinstall onto a different HD to see if I can reproduce that ... bug?

thanks for the links and the help nonetheless

Ah... sweet. No problem. Let me know if you need anything else, I'll be on all day... again... lol