What don't you like about Windows 7?

[SquonkSC]

Scott, you make a fair point. We'll be patient with you "Old-Gen" users - at least I will be (at 72 years of age - LOL). I can imagine that it is not easy to be faced with a more complex OS for the first time. XP was an appliance and having skipped Vista does not make things easier. BTW: I never had any problems with Vista that I could not solve. And I was in it since day 1 (Febr. 1, 07). And although I think that Win7 looks like a great operating system, I will take my time to fully migrate my 4 systems to it. In the meantime I run it as a test system completely seperated from my production systems. That way one can get used to it at a more placid pace.

XP was an appliance?

I think from Win98 to XP was as big a leap for novice users as the step from XP to Vista or Win7.

There was nothing like NTFS security in Win98.

I remember how many people were outraged their hardware wasn't supported in XP,
and how long they had to wait before manufacturers adopted the new driver model.
(if they did at all)

I don't know anyone who used a virgin XP,
meaning people installed dozens of tweaks and mods to make life with XP easier.

XP before SP1 was so unsafe, that before you downloaded the first security patches,
your pc would already be infected with numerous trojans and viruses.
This would lead to people getting into all kinds of trouble,
they couldn't solve themselves.

Nobody seems to remember the huge amount of BSOD in the pre SP XP.
The simple plug-in of USB peripherals would be enough to crash the entire system.

I think there were billions of dollars more earned by maintaining,
and troubleshooting XP, than MS earned with selling it.

XP has mostly been good for the IT business. :sarc:

W7 isn't perfect, but it's a damn lot closer to perfection than XP is even after 3 SP's.

 

[DarkDavil]

Windows 7 has a relatively easy learning curve compared to some Linux distros Ive had to set up...

No way man! I think Linux-based systems are super easy.. I just LOVE the "terminal"/"CMD" prompt functions of downloading/getting apps. Its so easy...

 

[cbleman]

CableMan - I understand what you are saying. You have said the same thing over and over and over again for almost five months.

I sincerely trust that you have learned how to use some of the new features and methodologies in Windows 7.

For you and others in the same boat - Tutorials - Windows 7 Forums

Sigh.. I guess I have. The prior post was for a little understanding. Some of the remarks that don't help bother me. I find myself repeating; and looking back, long winded repeating sometimes. Sorry. I guess I'm just a little passionate about some things. I realy didn't notice until you mentioned something.
I HAVE noticed that you continualy help. Not only this thread but many others. (some closed and dead.) Thanks

As for learning the new System, Yes; am learning (and actualy using) the new/different features. Learn or burn. This forum, and other peoples problems help a lot. Once I find out what something is now called, the answers to my questions come easy. I need to know what to look for in a tutorial or knowledge base. A lot of things I can eventualy figure out myself, and am actualy getting around quite well. The only problem I'm having right now is streaming my very large music library to my Sound Bridge using Windows. The Sound Bridge dosn't see all the files. I used to use Firefly Media Server, but it dosn't seem to want to install in Win 7. That's a topic for another thread or forum however.

Some learn and grow enough to offer actual help to others. Perhaps one day I'll get there.

Love the whine thread. that's actualy something I'm good at!

 

[musiclover7]

Scott,

I was one of those who avidly disliked Vista when it first came out, and went to the (at times insane) trouble of loading XP onto Brand new laptops for which drivers were extremely difficult to find, just to get back to what I deemed a much better system. Then, sometime in mid 2008, I installed Vista on one of my home computers, and eventually grew to tollerate, nay, even like it..

Yes there seemed to be a lot of bloat, and the permissions and obscure windows pissed me off at first. But I eventually got the hang of it, and came to understand it.

My sense, is that coming from XP to Windows 7 should be easier than coming from XP to Vista, however not as easy as coming from Vista to 7 of course Some things have been changed for sure, but there is also a lot of good that has been added. Some of the menus that one had to dig a little to get to in Vista, are more easily accessible in 7. Such as display settings, resolution changes, etc.. There will be some learning, but rather than wishing it were the same as the old, try to approach it from an attitude of enjoying the fresh and the new, and see where it gets you.

So far, I have loaded 7 on two machines and for 2 users that previously ran XP, and noticed what seemed to be significant improvement in the speed of standard tasks. I have said it before, 7 just seems like a snapier OS than either of it's predecessors. Yes, they had some basic questions about accessing wireless networks, how to network, etc.. but when I explained the benefits of some of the new features, they were both thrilled. You can also run multiple xp machines inside your 7 machine without too much lag.

My work laptop is an xp laptop that the company provides and dictates. I do not relish coming back to it. I miss the quick search, the powershell, the nifty navigation, the libraries, and the always connected feel to 7. Homegroups, which at first seemed completely stupid, have even become a very nice feature as I have learned how to leverage the concept of libraries for sharing etc..

There are some things I do not like, and I have shared them in this post. This here thread is all about the dislike, however, it should be expected that others who have come a bit further with the OS will chime in and try to alleviate the negativity where genuine options exist to countermand the cause of such..hah..

Anyways.. I write all this only to say that I originally stood where you do, and have come complete full circle in a relatively short period of time. I can see the reason for much of the changes. In 7, you generally have way more control, then you ever did in XP once you learn how to invoke it..

 

[Antman]

Yes, Cableman. There are some aspects of 7 that I do not like either. Especially not being able to arrange files in the manner of my choosing within a folder.

I adjusted to using the desktop as a workspace - allowing me to arrange the files. And it is almost a perfect workaround. But I have to use a second monitor since I can't scroll the desktop.

As I wrote this, I realized that I should do my online photo print work in an XP VM.

My point is, I understand.

 

[SquonkSC]

CableMan - I understand what you are saying. You have said the same thing over and over and over again for almost five months.

I sincerely trust that you have learned how to use some of the new features and methodologies in Windows 7.

For you and others in the same boat - Tutorials - Windows 7 Forums

Sigh.. I guess I have. The prior post was for a little understanding. Some of the remarks that don't help bother me. I find myself repeating; and looking back, long winded repeating sometimes. Sorry. I guess I'm just a little passionate about some things. I realy didn't notice until you mentioned something.
I HAVE noticed that you continualy help. Not only this thread but many others. (some closed and dead.) Thanks

As for learning the new System, Yes; am learning (and actualy using) the new/different features. Learn or burn. This forum, and other peoples problems help a lot. Once I find out what something is now called, the answers to my questions come easy. I need to know what to look for in a tutorial or knowledge base. A lot of things I can eventualy figure out myself, and am actualy getting around quite well. The only problem I'm having right now is streaming my very large music library to my Sound Bridge using Windows. The Sound Bridge dosn't see all the files. I used to use Firefly Media Server, but it dosn't seem to want to install in Win 7. That's a topic for another thread or forum however.

Some learn and grow enough to offer actual help to others. Perhaps one day I'll get there.

Love the whine thread. that's actualy something I'm good at!

Nice self-reflection. +rep for you.

 

[SquonkSC]

Scott,

I was one of those who avidly disliked Vista when it first came out, and went to the (at times insane) trouble of loading XP onto Brand new laptops for which drivers were extremely difficult to find, just to get back to what I deemed a much better system. Then, sometime in mid 2008, I installed Vista on one of my home computers, and eventually grew to tollerate, nay, even like it..

Yes there seemed to be a lot of bloat, and the permissions and obscure windows pissed me off at first. But I eventually got the hang of it, and came to understand it.

My sense, is that coming from XP to Windows 7 should be easier than coming from XP to Vista, however not as easy as coming from Vista to 7 of course Some things have been changed for sure, but there is also a lot of good that has been added. Some of the menus that one had to dig a little to get to in Vista, are more easily accessible in 7. Such as display settings, resolution changes, etc.. There will be some learning, but rather than wishing it were the same as the old, try to approach it from an attitude of enjoying the fresh and the new, and see where it gets you.

So far, I have loaded 7 on two machines and for 2 users that previously ran XP, and noticed what seemed to be significant improvement in the speed of standard tasks. I have said it before, 7 just seems like a snapier OS than either of it's predecessors. Yes, they had some basic questions about accessing wireless networks, how to network, etc.. but when I explained the benefits of some of the new features, they were both thrilled. You can also run multiple xp machines inside your 7 machine without too much lag.

My work laptop is an xp laptop that the company provides and dictates. I do not relish coming back to it. I miss the quick search, the powershell, the nifty navigation, the libraries, and the always connected feel to 7. Homegroups, which at first seemed completely stupid, have even become a very nice feature as I have learned how to leverage the concept of libraries for sharing etc..

There are some things I do not like, and I have shared them in this post. This here thread is all about the dislike, however, it should be expected that others who have come a bit further with the OS will chime in and try to alleviate the negativity where genuine options exist to countermand the cause of such..hah..

Anyways.. I write all this only to say that I originally stood where you do, and have come complete full circle in a relatively short period of time. I can see the reason for much of the changes. In 7, you generally have way more control, then you ever did in XP once you learn how to invoke it..

Well balanced post. +rep for you too. I feel like Santa today.

 

[Dzomlija]

Scott, you make a fair point. We'll be patient with you "Old-Gen" users - at least I will be (at 72 years of age - LOL). I can imagine that it is not easy to be faced with a more complex OS for the first time. XP was an appliance and having skipped Vista does not make things easier. BTW: I never had any problems with Vista that I could not solve. And I was in it since day 1 (Febr. 1, 07). And although I think that Win7 looks like a great operating system, I will take my time to fully migrate my 4 systems to it. In the meantime I run it as a test system completely seperated from my production systems. That way one can get used to it at a more placid pace.

XP was an appliance?

I think from Win98 to XP was as big a leap for novice users as the step from XP to Vista or Win7.

There was nothing like NTFS security in Win98.

I remember how many people were outraged their hardware wasn't supported in XP,
and how long they had to wait before manufacturers adopted the new driver model.
(if they did at all)

I don't know anyone who used a virgin XP,
meaning people installed dozens of tweaks and mods to make life with XP easier.

XP before SP1 was so unsafe, that before you downloaded the first security patches,
your pc would already be infected with numerous trojans and viruses.
This would lead to people getting into all kinds of trouble,
they couldn't solve themselves.

Nobody seems to remember the huge amount of BSOD in the pre SP XP.
The simple plug-in of USB peripherals would be enough to crash the entire system.

I think there were billions of dollars more earned by maintaining,
and troubleshooting XP, than MS earned with selling it.

XP has mostly been good for the IT business. :sarc:

W7 isn't perfect, but it's a damn lot closer to perfection than XP is even after 3 SP's.

I'm one of the few that used a "virgin XP", as you so eloquently put it, so yes, I do remember the instabilities of the initial release, and the pretty steep learning curve moving from Windows ME to Windows XP. In general, XP was newer really any good, even now after 3 service packs.

Vista was the one OS release from Microsoft where I could state the they finally got it right. I also used a "virgin Vista", and quite frankly my blood pressure cannot deal with people claiming that Vista is a dog, or is unstable, or doesn't work. Ad Ininitum... I never could understand what the hell people where complaining about.

Yes, Vista had it's problems. Just Like XP did. Just like Windows 2000 did. Does anyone remember the disaster that was the initial release of Windows 98? I can almost give a written guarantee that when Windows 7 hits the mainstream on October 22, we'll not have to wait very long to start fielding posts from people complaing about how bad or unusable Windows 7 is. But then again, I think posts of that nature have already started.

Those who are now complaining about the learning curve moving from XP to Windows 7 are likely also those who incorrectly believed the bad rep of Vista and stuck it out with XP. Oh, well, I guess not everyone can get what they want, and we'll have to just do the best we can to help them, right?

OVerall, there is not a lot to dislike about Windows 7, and it will indeed take time to get used to the new UI for those who skipped Vista.

I just have one general question: If people want the ability in Windows 7 to turn on the "classic look" of perhaps XP or Windows 2000, then why the hell upgrade to Windows 7 in the first place? Isn't the point of using a new OS to learn new ways and improve efficiency?

Oops. Thats two questions. My Bad.

 

[Antman]

 

[Tews]

Windows 7 has a relatively easy learning curve compared to some Linux distros Ive had to set up...

No way man! I think Linux-based systems are super easy.. I just LOVE the "terminal"/"CMD" prompt functions of downloading/getting apps. Its so easy...

You ever setup an Arch box from scratch????

 

[Antman]

Windows 7 has a relatively easy learning curve compared to some Linux distros Ive had to set up...

No way man! I think Linux-based systems are super easy.. I just LOVE the "terminal"/"CMD" prompt functions of downloading/getting apps. Its so easy...

You ever setup an Arch box from scratch????

No, but I did scratch myself with toy from a Happy Meal.

 

[cbleman]

I'm one of the few that used a "virgin XP", as you so eloquently put it, so yes, I do remember the instabilities of the initial release, and the pretty steep learning curve moving from Windows ME to Windows XP. In general, XP was newer really any good, even now after 3 service packs.

Vista was the one OS release from Microsoft where I could state the they finally got it right. I also used a "virgin Vista", and quite frankly my blood pressure cannot deal with people claiming that Vista is a dog, or is unstable, or doesn't work. Ad Ininitum... I never could understand what the hell people where complaining about.

Yes, Vista had it's problems. Just Like XP did. Just like Windows 2000 did. Does anyone remember the disaster that was the initial release of Windows 98? I can almost give a written guarantee that when Windows 7 hits the mainstream on October 22, we'll not have to wait very long to start fielding posts from people complaing about how bad or unusable Windows 7 is. But then again, I think posts of that nature have already started.

Those who are now complaining about the learning curve moving from XP to Windows 7 are likely also those who incorrectly believed the bad rep of Vista and stuck it out with XP. Oh, well, I guess not everyone can get what they want, and we'll have to just do the best we can to help them, right?

OVerall, there is not a lot to dislike about Windows 7, and it will indeed take time to get used to the new UI for those who skipped Vista.

I just have one general question: If people want the ability in Windows 7 to turn on the "classic look" of perhaps XP or Windows 2000, then why the hell upgrade to Windows 7 in the first place? Isn't the point of using a new OS to learn new ways and improve efficiency?

Oops. Thats two questions. My Bad.

Repeating again. There are many who NEVER had a problem with Vista. My experice was different. Finding other people were experiencing the exact problems I had, was little comfort.
Even as I was going through misery, others were telling me they had no problems with Vista or BSODs I am glad you are one of the many fortunate that never had a problem.

At first, I was upset about the learning curve for 7. Then I understood why, and figured out, the only person who could solve it is me. The only thing I ask for now, is a little patience while I ask "Stupid" questions, or profess my ignorance in other ways.

Change is hard.
All change isn't for the better. We need to be able to do what we once did, Even if the way we do it is different. Getting used to "different" is harder for some than others.

We all get used to working a certain way, using familiar tools. When they are taken away, or changed themselves, it's human nature to covet the familiar and want them back. Very few want to go backward. When we go through changes, having a few familiar things makes the change easier. When that fails; we accept and move on.

ME? Good lord! no wonder. Vistas a dream compared to that!

 

[the facilitator]

win 7 bad points

Why do MS insist on giving us "New" OS why dont they just make the old one better

What is "better" in the OS world

1. Make them smaller, Smaller means faster, less bugs, less back doors
2. Chuck out the junk, the 'bloatware' that was just coded to improve someones pay-packet (believe me it is there)
3. Make it neater
4. Im sick of having to have a anti virus package attached to my computer, SORT IT OUT

Regards Bill

 

[SquonkSC]

Repeating again.

What's the point of a post starting with, "repeating again"?

You can only be repped for it once.

j/k

 

[SkrivyD]

I'm noticing a bit more complexity with networking, sharing printers...etc. Once you figure it all out though its not that big of a deal.

 

[s0c9]

To get this back OT:

MY biggest dislike w/ W7 [and this may have existed in other versions, but maybe I never noticed] is when selecting a directory path [or drive] in explorer in the tree view [left pane] it automagically places the selected item at the BOTTOM of the tree pane.. grrrr... incredibly annoying and I've not found a way to make it any different..
I want to see the tree expanded BELOW the selection point and not have to scroll and click again to expand what's below it.....

 

[SquonkSC]

To get this back OT:

MY biggest dislike w/ W7 [and this may have existed in other versions, but maybe I never noticed] is when selecting a directory path [or drive] in explorer in the tree view [left pane] it automagically places the selected item at the BOTTOM of the tree pane.. grrrr... incredibly annoying and I've not found a way to make it any different..
I want to see the tree expanded BELOW the selection point and not have to scroll and click again to expand what's below it.....

On the bar chose organize -> folder and search options

Uncheck "automatically unfold ......"

That solves it

 

[Lelouchvib]

Lack of extras and features that could be implemented. Other than that I love Windows 7.

 

[Antman]

To get this back OT:

MY biggest dislike w/ W7 [and this may have existed in other versions, but maybe I never noticed] is when selecting a directory path [or drive] in explorer in the tree view [left pane] it automagically places the selected item at the BOTTOM of the tree pane.. grrrr... incredibly annoying and I've not found a way to make it any different..
I want to see the tree expanded BELOW the selection point and not have to scroll and click again to expand what's below it.....

On the bar chose organize -> folder and search options

Uncheck "automatically unfold ......"

That solves it

Chuckle. Yes, that does solve "it", but does not address the "issue".

I understand what soc9 is describing. I sincerely hope that this nuisance is addressed in a Service Pack.

 

[SquonkSC]

To get this back OT:

MY biggest dislike w/ W7 [and this may have existed in other versions, but maybe I never noticed] is when selecting a directory path [or drive] in explorer in the tree view [left pane] it automagically places the selected item at the BOTTOM of the tree pane.. grrrr... incredibly annoying and I've not found a way to make it any different..
I want to see the tree expanded BELOW the selection point and not have to scroll and click again to expand what's below it.....

On the bar chose organize -> folder and search options

Uncheck "automatically unfold ......"

That solves it

Chuckle. Yes, that does solve "it", but does not address the "issue".

I understand what soc9 is describing. I sincerely hope that this nuisance is addressed in a Service Pack.

??? joke??

It stops the automatic placement of the selected item at the BOTTOM of the tree pane. hence solves it.

What more is needed for it to be addressed? A stamp? :sarc:

j/k