What don't you like about Windows 7?

[cbleman]

For those that feel access to files should be restricted, I'll just have to agree to disagree. It shouldn't be up to someone else to decide which files I "Need" access to.

Another thing. Being an administrator is all about responsibility. Not being all knowing. If you claim to be an administrator and crash a system, it's your own stupid fault and nobody else’s. Yes, it is true, that Joe average user doesn’t need access to some files. The truth is Joe (or Joan) will probably not even look for these files because either they don't care, or it's beyond the scope of their knowledge. Protection for these people is nice. Anybody that looks for a file however, and wants to take responsibility for modifying it, should be able to. ANY file. No explination needed. No jumping through hoops. I personally haven’t run across one yet, (I either don't care or it's beyond the scope of my knowledge. ) but I hear even in the secret Admin mode, there are still files that cannot be modified. Anyone know the truth of that last statement?

 

[logicearth]

For those that feel access to files should be restricted, I'll just have to agree to disagree. It shouldn't be up to someone else to decide which files I "Need" access to.

And no one is, you CAN change it. But WHY should it be open by default? Hell Microsoft should forget about security all together and put you bare face on the internet with no means to protect yourself. That is what everyone wants! So lets do that!

but I hear even in the secret Admin mode, there are still files that cannot be modified. Anyone know the truth of that last statement?

No truth. Everything can be accessed with the right knowledge.

 

[CarlTR6]

but I hear even in the secret Admin mode, there are still files that cannot be modified. Anyone know the truth of that last statement?

You hear correctly. There are still files/folders with which you have to change permissions or take ownership. In reality, the "secret" administrator is in reality an advanced user account. But as the previous poster said, you can access anything if you know how.

 

[Raargh]

The Horrible harsh white explorer backgrounds in Aero still are blinding me. Been struggling to modify aero.msstyles , but run into obstacle after obstacle. Why MS made this so horribly hard to change is beyond me. It was trivial in WinNT, Win2k, and WinXP. If I ever manage to fix it I promise I will write a noob-friendly, step-by-step tutorial. I've been in this thread, it seems to be the best one but I am still stuck:

http://www.sevenforums.com/customization/38975-win-explorer-background-change-3.html#post491306

Also still frustrated by Win7's refusing to always default to "detailed" view in all folder windows, despite trying everything I can think of to make it listen - it maddeningly insists that it knows best, showing thumbnails, or icons, when I only want DETAILS, always, without exception.

In general, Win7 tries to decide for me what is best. I desperately want to turn all of that decision process off, and make it stay off! I and only I, know what is best to maximize my productivity. Win7 is not HAL 9000; it always gets it wrong when it tries to "help".

But the colors are pretty and it seems sort of more stable than XP. A little more. Runs faster - but I'm comparing Win7x64 with XPx32 on the same dual-boot box.

$teve

 

[Kari]

Steve, it's OK to be funny but honestly, this disturbs me every time I see your posts:


Not the text itself but that it is too long.

Don't misunderstand me, it's up to you what you write here to present you. I'm just telling my opinion.

Kari

 

[fseal]

Also still frustrated by Win7's refusing to always default to "detailed" view in all folder windows, despite trying everything I can think of to make it listen - it maddeningly insists that it knows best, showing thumbnails, or icons, when I only want DETAILS, always, without exception.

$teve

This is insanely maddening. I've "Fixed:" it on mine by hand setting all of the built-in "modes" (Pictures, Documents, Music, Videos) to all have the exact same layout and options as "General Items". Then when it tries to autopick something, it always looks the same (the way I set it up) and I don't even know it's done it.

Now if I can only remember how I did that...

[Edit] THe second half of this vista tutorial may have done the trick for me... http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/77444-windows-explorer-folder-type-templates.html

Basically you set a folder to each template type, then set all the settings exactly as you want them the same for each one. Then when it auto selects a template it's always the same layout.

You have to do each one seperately. Find a folder. Assign it a template (Documents for example). Set all the layoutsettings, columns sorting, icon size etc. Then tools, view Apply to all folders. It will apply it to all folders with that template.

I am not sure that if you create a new fiolder and it assigns the pictures template to it if it sticks though. 've not seen theproblem crop up in memory since I did thias, but I don;t create root level folders all that often after initial setup.
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[cloud8521]

I hate how it thinks its all that..... and it is

 

[cbleman]

And no one is, you CAN change it. But WHY should it be open by default? Hell Microsoft should forget about security all together and put you bare face on the internet with no means to protect yourself. That is what everyone wants! So lets do that!

So I guess what you're trying to say is, if some breaks into my computer through the internet, it makes it easier to get into my files. Otherwise, what does one thing have to do with the other?

I know when people disagree, sometimes it's frustrating. Please don't take this personally. I respect you, and what you are saying. If we met IRL you could even be a friend. I just (Personally) feel MS went overboard with security. It detracts from my computing experience. The security they did come up with, is overt and intrusive. I feel no effort was made to make the security transparent.

(Point) A door lock can be picked, so spme people put a dead bolt on to help secure the door. Since the dead bolt can be picked, you can also put 2 more locks on, and have different keys for them all. The security is great! but it makes it a pain to open the door.

Open by default? Maybe not. Easy access to turn it off or reconfigure it? Yeah that's the ticket. If someone wants to turn off UAC, why not make it easy to do it, and easy to find. Some will say it is easy already. Easy for whom. Do you really have to be an advanced user, or go through a ton of research to get rid of something you consider to be a pain? The ability to choose NOT to jump through hoops to access files, or renew an IP address would be nice too.

To some there cannot be to much security, and no sacrifice is to great in the name of security. I'm not one of those people. As much as I hate to compare apples and oranges, XP has no where near the security, and I NEVER had a problem.

Just a point of view. Thanks for listening.
Scott

 

[logicearth]

@cbleman, then why don't you just remove the security? Right-click on the "C" drive > Properties > Security tab > Advance > Owner > Edit > Other user > type in "Everyone" OK > Select the checkbox > OK (wait) > Permissions > Edit > Add > type in "Everyone" OK > Full Control > OK > Last checkbox > OK. No more security.

But in no way should Microsoft make this default, that would be just stupid. The way things are now is the way it has to be. In my own opinion it should be even more restricted. The things you want access to you do not need access to them, wanting to have permission just for the sack of it, is a ridiculous notion.

Whether you had problems or not is irrelevant, you are the only user out there.

 

[Dzomlija]

@cbleman, then why don't you just remove the security? Right-click on the "C" drive > Properties > Security tab > Advance > Owner > Edit > Other user > type in "Everyone" OK > Select the checkbox > OK (wait) > Permissions > Edit > Add > type in "Everyone" OK > Full Control > OK > Last checkbox > OK. No more security.

But in no way should Microsoft make this default, that would be just stupid. The way things are now is the way it has to be. In my own opinion it should be even more restricted. The things you want access to you do not need access to them, wanting to have permission just for the sack of it, is a ridiculous notion.

Whether you had problems or not is irrelevant, you are the only user out there.

Open by default? Maybe not. Easy access to turn it off or reconfigure it? Yeah that's the ticket. If someone wants to turn off UAC, why not make it easy to do it, and easy to find. Some will say it is easy already. Easy for whom. Do you really have to be an advanced user, or go through a ton of research to get rid of something you consider to be a pain? The ability to choose NOT to jump through hoops to access files, or renew an IP address would be nice too.

I agree with LogicEarth. If you really don't want the advanced security, then Windows does provide the means with which to turn it off.

And the fact that you need to be a relatively advanced user to disable the security or other components is right on the ticket. In my experience, most of the problems I've encountered with Windows (any version) are from the novice users who change something for the sake of doing so, and screw things up in the process with no idea how to set it back.

Quite frankly, I personally believe that the ability to disable that which is designed to protect the stability of the system could use a bit more of a lockdown, and have it made even harder to turn off.

 

[CommonTater]

Let's get negative.

All windows explorer windows open at the same size and auto cascade. I'm constantly moving windows around ...

Very annoying.

 

[cbleman]

@logicearth
I edited my last post about open as a default. Your post beat my edit. I agree. Don't leave everything open as a default. Thank you for that last piece of info! It's terrific! As always you are very helpful.

No... I'm NOT the only user out there. I'm advocating making it easy for others to remove or modify security if they wish, and making the security more transparent. I'm in other peoples houses on their computers almost every day. Complaints about the "Nags and restricted file/function access is something I commonly hear. I do NOT remove their security, nor do I advocate it while wearing my work hat. I DO tell them it's risky, and refer them to this forum. Weather they go or not, and what they do after they go to the forum, is up to them. My security has been opened up for a long time. I will take responsibility for myself. I will NOT advise them to remove their security, nor open their systems at MY discression. They need to make a decision for themselves, and accept responsibility for their own actions, just as I do mine.

What I don't like, (The theme of this thread.) is that it's not easier to take full control, and the security is not more transparent. There doesn’t seem to be many options in the GUI, and not everyone is a command prompt junkie. as I said in my modified post. some people will say it IS easy. I would disagree with that also. Others will say "It's for their own good." Dictators in the past have expoused the same Idea. Not only let the people decide, make these options easy to find, and easy to execute.

On a more personal note, I would like to thank you again. As I said, my security options have been modified for a long time. The answer in your last post was FAR more elegant. You have helped me, and expanded my knowledge once more. The system will not let me REP you again. You (again) have my personal thanks.

@dzomlija I understand and respect your point of view also. I don't believe treating everyone like an idiot is the answer. Giving others credit for a little sense is a big part of my outlook. Will some just cruise through the controls and change them just because they can? Yup. These people need to take responsibility for their actions also. Idiot proofing the entire system is impossible.

 

[Dzomlija]

I understand and respect your point of view also. I don't believe treating everyone like an idiot is the answer. Giving others credit for a little sense is a big part of my outlook. Will some just cruise through the controls and change them just because they can? Yup. These people need to take responsibility for their actions also. Idiot proofing the entire system is impossible.

I agree completely.

"No matter how smart you are, there is always someone smarter"

In a similar vein with computer security:

"No matter how secure your system, someone will find a way around it".

So why make it easier for them?

 

[cbleman]

That's a good point too. How much ease of use do we sacrifice in the name of security. Leaving my front door unlocked would defiantly make the door easier for me to use, but I wouldn't do that. It would make it to easy for someone to break in. On the other hand, I wouldn't resort to the extreme measures I mentioned earlier. There are however, others that would. I also agree that even fatalists who say anyone with enough knowledge to get through one lock can get through ten, will generaly put at least one good lock on a door. (Therefore no open default) Shouldn't it be left up to the individual? Shouldn't the locks be easy to operate?

 

[Jonty789]

Drivers.

It took my long time to get my Internet working on Window 7. I used to have Window XP and there was only window xp drivers but i manged to get them working by going in safe mode lots of time

 

[cbleman]

Drivers.

It took my long time to get my Internet working on Window 7. I used to have Window XP and there was only window xp drivers but i manged to get them working by going in safe mode lots of time

Drivers? Specificly What are you trying to run? Drivers are one of the things I couldn't find anything to complain about.

The only times I couldn't get drivers, the fault usually was with the hardware manufacturer; not with Windows 7. There are a lot of extremely knowledgable people on this thread. If you mention the specific hardware, and manufacturer, perhaps we can help.

 

[ChrisMackay]

Help

I tried to post a message earlier re the lack of support for event log messages (what don't you like about Windows 7).
I cannot find my post and I did not want to post the same message again in case I violated forum protocols.
Can any one advise me re this?

 

[cbleman]

I tried to post a message earlier re the lack of support for event log messages (what don't you like about Windows 7).
I cannot find my post and I did not want to post the same message again in case I violated forum protocols.
Can any one advise me re this?

Chris - You only show 1 post on this forum. I don't know what happened to your original post. I'm not a moderator, but I recommend you post your original again.

 

[Raargh]

@Kari

Steve, it's OK to be funny but honestly, this disturbs me every time I see your posts:
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Not the text itself but that it is too long.

Don't misunderstand me, it's up to you what you write here to present you. I'm just telling my opinion.

Kari

LOL! Thanks.

Actually that is the shortened version of my "standard" location string that I use in all forums to which I belong. SevenForums is the only one that limits it to the length you see. The full string is this:
"Earth/Sol System/Sagittarius Arm/Milky Way Galaxy/Local Group/Fornax-Virgo Filament/Virgo Supercluster/Hubble Bubble/Infinity

I will concede that it is a long string. But, I compensate by not having an image in my signature. So there! 8^]

$teve

 

[ChrisMackay]

Thanks Cbleman
Will try that.