Windows 7 does not recognize my Creative Live! Value

[Paulchen]

Greetings,

there are threads about bad sound with the Live! Value card.

My problem is that Windows 7 does not recognize the card at all. not even as unknown device.

The beta did. But the current RC does not show the card at all.

How can get Windows 7 RC to detect my Creative Live! Value Card?

Please help me!

Thanks alot

Paulchen

 

[brucemoose2]

That's an ancient card. Is it still working? Have you tried reseating the card in your computer?

 

[Paulchen]

Ìt`s not that ancient. Its a PCI Card...

I got a dualboot XP / Windows 7 RC at the moment. With XP its working perfect. With Windows 7 Beta its shown as unknown device which is ok, because i can install drivers myself including those needed to enable gameport again.

But Windows 7 RC does not list it all, not even unknown device!!!

This leads to the main reason for this card = THE GAMEPORT!

I use a MICROSOFT Sidewinder FF Pro. yes its a little older but working and looking as first day. 5 years i got a second one on ebay, just for the reason the first one breakes. Still unopened in the cellar.

ALL Joysticks support a usb to gameport adapter EXCEPT Microsoft.
Microsoft said that the gameport takes to much resources, did they realise they have Aero? Why cant they let ME decide if i use older Hardware?

Idea = Microsoft builds Joysticks again. A Sidewinder FF 3 would be nice. Or just a damn Adapter for the FF Pro!!! i would spend much for it, the Joystick is a Ultra luxury Masterpiece compared to most of todays Joysticks.

Check Ebay. The Microsoft Sidewinder FF 2 still costs 150$ and above.
People want Microsoft just deny.

 

[brucemoose2]

When you say that Win7 doesn't "show it", I assume that you mean it's not visible in device manager. Is that correct? Or are you talking about Start -> "Devices and Printers" ?

Please type "devmgmt.msc" at the command prompt and look for your device when the device manager opens. You can change the view to show devices by connection if you prefer. That way you can see exactly what's installed in the PCI bus.

 

[Paulchen]

Exactly thats the problem...

Windows XP -> Card visible and completly working

Windows Vista -> Card shown as unknown Device, manual install of Driver works, even Gameport works (Danial_k Driver)

Windows 7 BETA -> Card shown as unknown Device, manual install of Driver works, even Gameport works (Danial_k Driver)

Windows 7 RC -> Card is not shown at all. Device Manager does not show it, even not as unknown Device. View by Connection does not list a PCI Device on that Slot.

Reinstall for testing proofs, the win7 Beta does show it as unknown device. Install of RC afterwards again does not show it.




Beware the day the bulbs brake at redmond, for darkness the new standard will be.....

No new drivers, well, ok somehow. BUT XP DRIVERS WORK WITH VISTA AND WIN7 BETA!!! Driver installed successfully. Press finish -> deinstalling!
No error, can not start device or so. just delete them right away.

We dont support it anymore, Drivers still work but we dont want it, Buy a new Joystick, tho we dont produce them anymore because we fly our planes with a Mouse.

bulb....

 

[brucemoose2]

Would you please boot XP and then post the hardware ID for the device in this thread? I believe that you can find it by going to device manager, accessing the device properties, and selecting "hardware ids" from the dropdown on the details tab. It will be something like PCI\VEN_XXXX&DEV_XXXX&...

 

[Irish]

Same issue

I am having the same issue. Xp sees the card W7 does not.
This is the card ID # out of device manager for Xp boot.

PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0005&SUBSYS_00311102&REV_00\4&13699180&0&4048


I think the issue has something to do with the chipset Nforce4 but I have been wrong before.


Irish

 

[brucemoose2]

I am having the same issue. Xp sees the card W7 does not.
This is the card ID # out of device manager for Xp boot.

PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0005&SUBSYS_00311102&REV_00\4&13699180&0&4048


I think the issue has something to do with the chipset Nforce4 but I have been wrong before.


Irish

Thanks for reporting this. Would you please boot this machine to the latest Win7 build that you have access to and then look in device manager to see if there are any other devices with problem codes? If you find any devices with problem codes there, please post the problem code and hardware ID for each of them. Thanks!

 

[johngalt]

Windows XP -> Card visible and completly working

Windows Vista -> Card shown as unknown Device, manual install of Driver works, even Gameport works (Danial_k Driver)

Windows 7 BETA -> Card shown as unknown Device, manual install of Driver works, even Gameport works (Danial_k Driver)

Windows 7 RC -> Card is not shown at all. Device Manager does not show it, even not as unknown Device. View by Connection does not list a PCI Device on that Slot.

Reinstall for testing proofs, the win7 Beta does show it as unknown device. Install of RC afterwards again does not show it.




Beware the day the bulbs brake at redmond, for darkness the new standard will be.....

No new drivers, well, ok somehow. BUT XP DRIVERS WORK WITH VISTA AND WIN7 BETA!!! Driver installed successfully. Press finish -> deinstalling!
No error, can not start device or so. just delete them right away.

We dont support it anymore, Drivers still work but we dont want it, Buy a new Joystick, tho we dont produce them anymore because we fly our planes with a Mouse.

bulb....

Major rantfest:

It is not Micro$oft's responsibility to write friggin drivers for hardware that they did not manufacture. You have beef with this, go bitch and moan at creative for failing to support this device - I had one for my machine and could not use it for several months b/c creative would not make drivers for it supporting Vista - and still won't.

If you notice it is a third party who has written acceptable drivers for the device use under Vista.

Please get your facts straight b/f launching into a tirade against M$.

Thanks for reporting this. Would you please boot this machine to the latest Win7 build that you have access to and then look in device manager to see if there are any other devices with problem codes? If you find any devices with problem codes there, please post the problem code and hardware ID for each of them. Thanks!

Let's hope it does show up as, at the very least, an unknown device....

 

[Irish]

Major rantfest:

It is not Micro$oft's responsibility to write friggin drivers for hardware that they did not manufacture. You have beef with this, go bitch and moan at creative for failing to support this device - I had one for my machine and could not use it for several months b/c creative would not make drivers for it supporting Vista - and still won't.

If you notice it is a third party who has written acceptable drivers for the device use under Vista.

Please get your facts straight b/f launching into a tirade against M$.



Let's hope it does show up as, at the very least, an unknown device....

Hm. Seems to me neither of these posts are a rant, rather one at an attempt at humor and the other at an attempt to help. No one says anything about Microsoft being at fault just a joke about the redmond campus. We are just a few people trying to solve each others problems.

As for the boot to W7, I will try it a bit later to see what the cards shows as if anything at all.

 

[johngalt]

*mine* was a rant. And, actually, there are *lots* of people all over the net that try to lay the blame for lack of device support squarely at the feet of M$.

it is one of my personal pet peeves, but if that was a joke, then I apologize for going overboard with my response.

 

[Irish]

True

Yeah very true about the ranting by alot of people. Haters the lot of them. I will not have time tonight to boot W7 but will get to it tomorrow night and see what the deal is.

 

[brucemoose2]

As for the boot to W7, I will try it a bit later to see what the cards shows as if anything at all.

Let me clarify again. I'm not asking if the sound card shows up with a problem code or as an unknown device. You've already said that it does not. I'd like to know if there are any other devices (of ANY type) that have a problem code. I'll need to know the PNP ID and problem code for each device with a problem, if there are any. It's possible that there's a connection between the missing sound card and another device with a problem code on your system. Please post back as soon as you have this info. Thanks!

 

[brucemoose2]

I was able to reproduce the "problem" that some of your are reporting. It turns out that at least some of the cards are actually showing up as "HD Audio" devices in the latest builds instead of unknown devices. They are not described as "Sound Blaster" devices in device manager, either. Look at the hardware ID and compare it to the device you see in XP or Vista and you'll understand. I hope that this clears up the misunderstanding for you all. This device is definitely not "missing" in Win7.

 

[PeeGee77]

I have 2 drives, one with XP and just installed Windows 7 RC on the other. Exact same issue with Creative X-Fi Extreme Gamer - fine in XP but not even detected in 7.

Here's what I had to do to fix it:
go to Creative Worldwide Support > X-Fi XtremeGamer
and download Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi series driver 2.18.0013

Run the install. This doesn't fix the issue, but after a reboot it makes the card visible in Device Manager. Right click the device > update driver > browse my computer > pick from list > Creative X-Fi Audio Processor (WDM). In my case this caused Device Manager to stop responding, but don't worry, just pretend it is all OK.

I was now able to go to Control Panel > Sound and Creative X-Fi was visible. Set as default and jobs a good'un.

Hope this helps someobody - be interested to hear other peoples experiences with it.

 

[brucemoose2]

I have 2 drives, one with XP and just installed Windows 7 RC on the other. Exact same issue with Creative X-Fi Extreme Gamer - fine in XP but not even detected in 7.

Here's what I had to do to fix it:
go to Creative Worldwide Support > X-Fi XtremeGamer
and download Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi series driver 2.18.0013

Run the install. This doesn't fix the issue, but after a reboot it makes the card visible in Device Manager. Right click the device > update driver > browse my computer > pick from list > Creative X-Fi Audio Processor (WDM). In my case this caused Device Manager to stop responding, but don't worry, just pretend it is all OK.

I was now able to go to Control Panel > Sound and Creative X-Fi was visible. Set as default and jobs a good'un.

Hope this helps someobody - be interested to hear other peoples experiences with it.

If you were able to install the driver package then the device was already visible in device manager. It just wasn't called "Sound Blaster blah blah blah..." It was called "HD Audio device" because that's what the "best match" driver inf said that it should be called. When you installed the driver from Creative Labs, the best match inf became the new driver package, so the device was renamed according to the new inf.

 

[PeeGee77]

the device was already visible in device manager. It just wasn't called "Sound Blaster blah blah blah..." It was called "HD Audio device" because that's what the "best match" driver inf said that it should be called.

No it wasn't. As I said, it wasn't visible. And also it fixed it. If you have a better fix posted above I missed it.

 

[brucemoose2]

No it wasn't. As I said, it wasn't visible. And also it fixed it. If you have a better fix posted above I missed it.

Yes, the fix is to look more carefully for the hd audio device before deciding that it's not there. Sorry you missed it.