Strange behavior of Updates during recent installs

If you look at the Task Manager while the indicator is at 0%, you'll usually find that either TrustedInstaller or SVCHOST are using high CPU - this is because they are checking the integrity of files (but I'm not certain which files they are checking at this point!)
It may be that recent update downloads are also being checked - or they may have widened the checks to other parts of the system.
 

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Laptop
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Asus K52F or Lenovo B51-80
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Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
CPU
i3 370M/i7 6500U
Motherboard
Asus/Lenovo
Memory
8GB - finally :)/8GB
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it's an i3, dude!/dual Intel&nVidia
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onboard
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15.6" built-in
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750GB Seagate internal
Sundry external drives attached to other computers on the local network
1TB SSD on the Lenovo
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n/a
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as much as I can get - usually on a dongle/phone, so <1MB/s
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MSE/Defender
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gregrocker said:
I tried that again yesterday, setting to choose Updates only. The first group installed and when I went back to Check for Updates it offered 72 which I selected and watched it stall at 0% Downloaded. Then I notice they are queued on the Shutdown button. Executed a Shutdown and all 72 installed - even though they had appeared not to be downloaded when I selected them!

Noel what do you know about that rollup? Is a rollup of hotfixes likely to smooth the way for rest of Updates, by installing it first?
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I really have no idea - hopefully it would do, but it depends on how they do it.
They have two options, really.

1) a single mega-update, and a number of smaller ones
2) chaining the installs of each update into a logical sequence.

When they did a similar thing for Win ME, Win98SE and XP, they chose the second method (that was the famed Security Update disk that they pushed out in 2004 - it worked really well for most, but it had 4 months of heavy beta-testing from experts including many MVPs before they put it out!! - there were still a number of bugs in the final version but they could be got around by tweaking the script)
 

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Asus K52F or Lenovo B51-80
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Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
CPU
i3 370M/i7 6500U
Motherboard
Asus/Lenovo
Memory
8GB - finally :)/8GB
Graphics Card(s)
it's an i3, dude!/dual Intel&nVidia
Sound Card
onboard
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15.6" built-in
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1366x768/1920x1080
Hard Drives
750GB Seagate internal
Sundry external drives attached to other computers on the local network
1TB SSD on the Lenovo
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n/a
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as much as I can get - usually on a dongle/phone, so <1MB/s
Antivirus
MSE/Defender
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IE11/12/Edge/Chrome/FF(if I must)
A hotfix for the Windows Update Agent

NoelDP said:
If you look at the Task Manager while the indicator is at 0%, you'll usually find that either TrustedInstaller or SVCHOST are using high CPU - this is because they are checking the integrity of files (but I'm not certain which files they are checking at this point!)
It may be that recent update downloads are also being checked - or they may have widened the checks to other parts of the system.
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Just for information:

A hotfix for the Windows Update Agent is currently in development.

At its core this is a memory allocation issue, thus 64-bit Windows 7 computers will not see this error because the address space is effectively unlimited. They will, however, exhibit high memory and high CPU usage, possibly affecting performance. Note that x86 clients will also exhibit high memory usage (around 1.2-1.4GB).
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AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics
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ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X501U
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4.00 GB
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AMD Radeon HD 6290 Graphics
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Cyberfox 64bit, Opera 64bit, Airfox
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Spy-The-Spy, HitmanPro.Alert, Norton Connect Safe, MJRegWatcher, BitDefender TrafficLight, Voodoo Shield, Zemana AntiMalware
Note that the article there is about WSUS - NOT ordinary Windows Updates.
 

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Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Asus K52F or Lenovo B51-80
OS
Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
CPU
i3 370M/i7 6500U
Motherboard
Asus/Lenovo
Memory
8GB - finally :)/8GB
Graphics Card(s)
it's an i3, dude!/dual Intel&nVidia
Sound Card
onboard
Monitor(s) Displays
15.6" built-in
Screen Resolution
1366x768/1920x1080
Hard Drives
750GB Seagate internal
Sundry external drives attached to other computers on the local network
1TB SSD on the Lenovo
PSU
n/a
Internet Speed
as much as I can get - usually on a dongle/phone, so <1MB/s
Antivirus
MSE/Defender
Browser
IE11/12/Edge/Chrome/FF(if I must)
I'm having a similar problem, I was about to create a new thread about this issue when I found this topic.

Even using a fresh legit SHA-1 match ISO from MSDN, the problem follows like this:

1 - First Update - Windows Update asks to install an updated version of the updater, then closes itself and open again (which is ok).

2 - Stays for a long time looking for available updates, them says it has 189 updates available.

3 - Download and installs the updates, seems to be fine, but it's not - about 72 updates fails to install for unknown reasons then asks to restart computer.

4 - Computer restarts, and when trying to apply pending updates, fails again and System Restore enters to revert all changes.

Tried many times to fresh install and all have this erratic behavior - in 2 computers, many VMs under VMWare and Virtual Box. I have absolutely no RAM, HDD, SDD problems, I'm thinking it's a problem with Windows Update, something is not right and is causing all this updates to fail to install.
 

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PC/Desktop
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Custom Build
OS
Windows 8.1 X64 Update 3
CPU
Core i5-3570k
Motherboard
ASRock Z77 Pro-4
Memory
16GB (4X4GB) DDR3 1600 Crucial Ballistix Sports XT
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS GeForce GTX 660Ti OC
Sound Card
ASUS Xonar DGX + JBL Synchros S500
Hard Drives
Crucial MX100 256GB
PSU
Lepa Maxbron B-450MB
Case
Aerocool Strike-X GT
Cooling
Antec Kuhler H2O 620 + NZXT Sentry 2
Keyboard
Ducky Zero DK2108S Cherry MX Red Orange Backlit
Mouse
Logitech G400s + Razer Goliathus Control Large
Did you check the Shutdown button for a yellow ! mark, execute Shutdown to install those Updates?

Are Updates set to Automatic? I'd do that now to force them to Install and proceed.

If not, type Troubleshoot in Start Search box, run the Windows Update troubleshooter.
 
Everything is set to Windows handles updates the way Microsoft wants, to accept and install in auto mode.

Tired of those errors, I'm currently trying to replicate this issue into a virtual machine to read the logs with more attention.

On my previous attempts to make a clean and updated install, I even ended with massive system file corruption, from dlls to total mess making the system unbootable that SFC wouldn't fix. And again: RAM, HD and everything else is working perfectly, Windows 8.1 install and updates Ok, I tested once, but since I do not have licenses, I have to stick with 7.

I wish MS would release a SP2 to stop this update suffering, even setting a WSUS it's still a PITA due the huge number of updates and things that can go wrong during the whole process (like it's happening now to me).
 

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 8.1 X64 Update 3
CPU
Core i5-3570k
Motherboard
ASRock Z77 Pro-4
Memory
16GB (4X4GB) DDR3 1600 Crucial Ballistix Sports XT
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS GeForce GTX 660Ti OC
Sound Card
ASUS Xonar DGX + JBL Synchros S500
Hard Drives
Crucial MX100 256GB
PSU
Lepa Maxbron B-450MB
Case
Aerocool Strike-X GT
Cooling
Antec Kuhler H2O 620 + NZXT Sentry 2
Keyboard
Ducky Zero DK2108S Cherry MX Red Orange Backlit
Mouse
Logitech G400s + Razer Goliathus Control Large
WSUS is only intended for use in Domain server situations - but can also be used in other scenarios.

Here's my standard methodology for update installs on a new installation...


Note - between each of the below batches of updates, reboot at least once, even if the machine auto-rebooted during the updates. After teh update, do a new Check for Updates. Add any remaining updates or failed updates to the next batch.




1) Install all 'Security Update for Windows'
Reboot
Check for Updates
(some will have failed, and some new ones will have appeared)
2) Install the remaining/new 'Security Update for Windows'
Reboot
Check for Updates
3) Install all ordinary 'Update for Windows'
Reboot
Check for Updates
4) install updates for IE8 - but NOT IE 9/10/11
Reboot
Check for Updates
5) install all other updates EXCEPT .NET ones and IE9/10/11
Reboot
Check for Updates
repeat 5 until there's nothing left in the main window except the .NET and IE upgrades

6) Install all Security Updates for .NET - but nothing else
Reboot
Check for Updates
7) Install all other .NET updates
Reboot
Check for Updates
8) Install IE10 if offered - IE11 should wait if it's still an Optional update.
9) Install the IE10 updates, then install IE11 and update that.

 

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Asus K52F or Lenovo B51-80
OS
Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
CPU
i3 370M/i7 6500U
Motherboard
Asus/Lenovo
Memory
8GB - finally :)/8GB
Graphics Card(s)
it's an i3, dude!/dual Intel&nVidia
Sound Card
onboard
Monitor(s) Displays
15.6" built-in
Screen Resolution
1366x768/1920x1080
Hard Drives
750GB Seagate internal
Sundry external drives attached to other computers on the local network
1TB SSD on the Lenovo
PSU
n/a
Internet Speed
as much as I can get - usually on a dongle/phone, so <1MB/s
Antivirus
MSE/Defender
Browser
IE11/12/Edge/Chrome/FF(if I must)
I managed to successfully install and update without errors just after my messages here, everything is working perfectly. I think it was something with Windows Update.

I even made a sysprep and imagex to deploy a fully updated installation, tried the WIM image in a old notebook with completely different hardware and no HAL or driver errors, it's running perfectly :)
 

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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 8.1 X64 Update 3
CPU
Core i5-3570k
Motherboard
ASRock Z77 Pro-4
Memory
16GB (4X4GB) DDR3 1600 Crucial Ballistix Sports XT
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS GeForce GTX 660Ti OC
Sound Card
ASUS Xonar DGX + JBL Synchros S500
Hard Drives
Crucial MX100 256GB
PSU
Lepa Maxbron B-450MB
Case
Aerocool Strike-X GT
Cooling
Antec Kuhler H2O 620 + NZXT Sentry 2
Keyboard
Ducky Zero DK2108S Cherry MX Red Orange Backlit
Mouse
Logitech G400s + Razer Goliathus Control Large
I have been having more or less exactly the same problems Gacrux the exception being I was manually checking for updates rather than having them on auto... either way the results were same.

After 3 reinstalls of Windows I started doing something similar to what Noel has posted and eventually everything went in and working apparently fine that was 4 days ago... after having the machine powered on for approximately 30 hours (cued video editing) the machine was rather sluggish (that does tend to happen at times after the video editing) I set it to restart and went off to make a brew, come back 5 mins later here it is prompting me to do a system restore ?!? so I elected to run startup repair instead, yes I repeated it 3 times without it actually repairing anything and said to myself screw it. I went ahead and just restored the backup image I created before running WU...

So Gacrux if you got anything of importance on there I would back it up immediately just in case the same happens to you in a few days time... One thing that may or may not be relevant is I did not download or install any of the updates that were pertaining to Win 10... I also did not have time to dig through error logs as I had to get this system back up and running ASAP.
 

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Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Sony
OS
Windows 7 x64 SP1
CPU
Intel
Motherboard
Sony
Memory
4gb
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia
Hard Drives
WD
Internet Speed
Dial up wasn't as bad as this !
Antivirus
Avast
Browser
Firefox
Andyrids said:
I have been having more or less exactly the same problems Gacrux the exception being I was manually checking for updates rather than having them on auto... either way the results were same.

After 3 reinstalls of Windows I started doing something similar to what Noel has posted and eventually everything went in and working apparently fine that was 4 days ago... after having the machine powered on for approximately 30 hours (cued video editing) the machine was rather sluggish (that does tend to happen at times after the video editing) I set it to restart and went off to make a brew, come back 5 mins later here it is prompting me to do a system restore ?!? so I elected to run startup repair instead, yes I repeated it 3 times without it actually repairing anything and said to myself screw it. I went ahead and just restored the backup image I created before running WU...

So Gacrux if you got anything of importance on there I would back it up immediately just in case the same happens to you in a few days time... One thing that may or may not be relevant is I did not download or install any of the updates that were pertaining to Win 10... I also did not have time to dig through error logs as I had to get this system back up and running ASAP.
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This happened to me several times while trying to setup a VM, just like I said before, after WU I had from few DLL corruptions to total system failure beyond repair. I never seen it before.

At my host machine I make offline backups, so total OS failure is not really a problem despite of the time lost to reinstall everything if it fails.

What is funny is that right now everything is working and the problems are magically gone, I just tested W7 WU again and it's fine.
 

My Computer My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 8.1 X64 Update 3
CPU
Core i5-3570k
Motherboard
ASRock Z77 Pro-4
Memory
16GB (4X4GB) DDR3 1600 Crucial Ballistix Sports XT
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS GeForce GTX 660Ti OC
Sound Card
ASUS Xonar DGX + JBL Synchros S500
Hard Drives
Crucial MX100 256GB
PSU
Lepa Maxbron B-450MB
Case
Aerocool Strike-X GT
Cooling
Antec Kuhler H2O 620 + NZXT Sentry 2
Keyboard
Ducky Zero DK2108S Cherry MX Red Orange Backlit
Mouse
Logitech G400s + Razer Goliathus Control Large
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