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Windows 7: "Upgrade" from Vista 32 bit to 7 64 bit?

10 Oct 2009   #31
Snufffed

 

From page 9 of the Windows 7 EULA:

"15. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from."

Yes, Virginia, you must own a qualifying upgradeable product. AND, you forfeit your right to ever install the old version again, on any computer. Obviously, these are legalities, but they are real, nonetheless.
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Yes I do understand what your saying. I also can read what they say, If the manual says you can clean install with the upgrade copy, where does that indicate that you or me have ever owned a copy of any Windows OS.
sample: I buy a laptop off EBAY - many sellers - indicate THERE IS NO OS installed. HDD is Formatted. when you turnon the laptop so you can open the DVD reader, then insert the DVD reboot and insure it is set to BOOT TO DVD, chose custom, chose clean install w/o a KEY. an you have a 100% legit Full Retail Install win 7. while booted to your proper version of Win7, open the dvd - close the DVD- you then will be ask to upgrade.
click yes, and when ask insert the Proper KEY. for version. It even tells you on the first install - make sure your installing the version with which you have a legit KEY to upgrade to.
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Reference is my Legit Vista Signature Copy - UPGRADE disc set.
I will wait until the Official Upgrade copies are available.
for those who wish to view the Vista Book on Clean install with Upgrade disc set.
main reference is Pg.1 - pg.3 - pg-5 - pg 6 para 4.
So unless Microsoft does a 100% turn around. and many MVP and writers say MS has told them the Clean Install with UPGRADE Disc has not changed.




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10 Oct 2009   #32
MacGyvr

Windows 7 Ultimate RTM (Technet)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy View Post
From page 9 of the Windows 7 EULA:

"15. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from."

Yes, Virginia, you must own a qualifying upgradeable product. AND, you forfeit your right to ever install the old version again, on any computer. Obviously, these are legalities, but they are real, nonetheless.
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Yes I do understand what your saying. I also can read what they say, If the manual says you can clean install with the upgrade copy, where does that indicate that you or me have ever owned a copy of any Windows OS.
sample: I buy a laptop off EBAY - many sellers - indicate THERE IS NO OS installed. HDD is Formatted. when you turnon the laptop so you can open the DVD reader, then insert the DVD reboot and insure it is set to BOOT TO DVD, chose custom, chose clean install w/o a KEY. an you have a 100% legit Full Retail Install win 7. while booted to your proper version of Win7, open the dvd - close the DVD- you then will be ask to upgrade.
click yes, and when ask insert the Proper KEY. for version. It even tells you on the first install - make sure your installing the version with which you have a legit KEY to upgrade to.
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Reference is my Legit Vista Signature Copy - UPGRADE disc set.
I will wait until the Official Upgrade copies are available.
for those who wish to view the Vista Book on Clean install with Upgrade disc set.
main reference is Pg.1 - pg.3 - pg-5 - pg 6 para 4.
So unless Microsoft does a 100% turn around. and many MVP and writers say MS has told them the Clean Install with UPGRADE Disc has not changed.
I believe we are discussing this from two different angles. You seem to be more concerned with IF you can do it, rather than is it LEGAL to do it. According to the EULA, it is not legal to install the upgrade version unless you have a valid license to a version that is in the Windows 7 upgrade path, period. Whether Microsoft enforces this or requires you to prove the ownership is another matter entirely, and really doesn't matter in the long run.

What your example describes is a cheat, plain and simple. You know it and I know it. Discussing it is rather pointless. Enjoy Windows 7!
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10 Oct 2009   #33
Tews

64-bit Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

And here I thought you had turned over a new leaf Mac...
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10 Oct 2009   #34
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
I think one of the biggest things being misunderstood is how the term upgrade is used in this situation. It doesn't mean that you are taking a computer with an older operating system and converting it to Windows 7. An upgrade version of Windows 7 means that you are able to prove that you own a copy of an older version of Windows (that is in the proper upgrade path of course). It does not have to be currently installed on a computer.
Sorry but the manual furnished with the UPGRADE DISK does not say I have to own a older version of Windows. It simply says:
Installing Windows
If your computer has NO OS installed.
1. Turn on your computer, Insert the Windows Installation disc into your DVD drive.
2. Restart your computer while the installation disc is inserted in the DVD drive.

No where does it say I have to own a previous Edition of Windows.
It also states when ask DO NOT INSERT THE KEY.
It states that i will have 30 days within which I can while booted into Windows, insert the DVD again, and when ask click UPDATE and when ask insert the UPGRADE KEY.

Not once did the install ask me to insert any disc or prove that I have owned a previous version of Windows.

other reference:
http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...-upgrades.aspx
From page 9 of the Windows 7 EULA:

"15. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from."

Yes, Virginia, you must own a qualifying upgradeable product. AND, you forfeit your right to ever install the old version again, on any computer. Obviously, these are legalities, but they are real, nonetheless.

Hi there

This isn't actually true

If you REMOVE the "Upgraded" version of the OS you are 100% legally allowed to restore your old OS again.

This is of course obvious since if you actually have a real crash on the upgraded version of the OS and wipe your disk you will need to recover your old OS again if you want to do an "upgrade" rather than a clean install.

You of course can do a clean install but you must let the install media delete the old OS.


BTW be careful as well - if you install an "upgrade" version on a CLEAN disk rather than let the upgrade media wipe the disk then when you attempt to activate the product you'll get a nice little message saying - This product CANNOT be activated as it is an UPGRADE version.

(At least this happened to me when attempting a Vista upgrade from XP).

BEFORE doing any of this stuff KEEP backup images at every stage of your upgrade process so you can re-start if you run into these silly types of problems.

Cheers
jimbo
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11 Oct 2009   #35
bobtran

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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11 Oct 2009   #36
MacGyvr

Windows 7 Ultimate RTM (Technet)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy View Post
Sorry but the manual furnished with the UPGRADE DISK does not say I have to own a older version of Windows. It simply says:
Installing Windows
If your computer has NO OS installed.
1. Turn on your computer, Insert the Windows Installation disc into your DVD drive.
2. Restart your computer while the installation disc is inserted in the DVD drive.

No where does it say I have to own a previous Edition of Windows.
It also states when ask DO NOT INSERT THE KEY.
It states that i will have 30 days within which I can while booted into Windows, insert the DVD again, and when ask click UPDATE and when ask insert the UPGRADE KEY.

Not once did the install ask me to insert any disc or prove that I have owned a previous version of Windows.

other reference:
http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...-upgrades.aspx
From page 9 of the Windows 7 EULA:

"15. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from."

Yes, Virginia, you must own a qualifying upgradeable product. AND, you forfeit your right to ever install the old version again, on any computer. Obviously, these are legalities, but they are real, nonetheless.

Hi there

This isn't actually true

If you REMOVE the "Upgraded" version of the OS you are 100% legally allowed to restore your old OS again.

This is of course obvious since if you actually have a real crash on the upgraded version of the OS and wipe your disk you will need to recover your old OS again if you want to do an "upgrade" rather than a clean install.

You of course can do a clean install but you must let the install media delete the old OS.


BTW be careful as well - if you install an "upgrade" version on a CLEAN disk rather than let the upgrade media wipe the disk then when you attempt to activate the product you'll get a nice little message saying - This product CANNOT be activated as it is an UPGRADE version.

(At least this happened to me when attempting a Vista upgrade from XP).

BEFORE doing any of this stuff KEEP backup images at every stage of your upgrade process so you can re-start if you run into these silly types of problems.

Cheers
jimbo
Nothing in the EULA backs up your statement. Please provide documented proof as I did, or your statement simply is not valid.
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