Sleep Mode Still Freeze up, Win 7 RTM

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  1. Posts : 69
    Windows 7 7600 x86 &x64, Windows XPP sp3 (x86) & sp2 x64
       #1

    Sleep Mode Still Freeze up, Win 7 RTM


    I have posted on "Anyone else kind of disappointed?" about this problem, and was suggested to start a Thread on this topic.

    Here are the posts.

    I am still having bug and freeze problems on all of the computers that I have been testing on since the first release in November.

    I am currently testing both x64 and x86 versions on 4 of my PC's and still having minor bug issues, and the major freeze problem.

    I do not Just use my PC's for e-mails, browsing the web and gaming. I primarily use them for Engineering Design Work and they need lots of resources to operate efficiently. My primary Base unit is the one I do most of my work on and the Most efficient Operating system on it is Windows XP x64 (sp2) and customized. (Not the Basic install of services and registry sets).

    The freeze issue is random and it happens when my PC's go into sleep mode. Some times the will wake up normally, but way to often they will not wake at all, I have to force re-boot. And no error logs related to sleep mode issues, only the E-ID 41 (forced re-boot). This has happened on all the releases from 7000 to 7127, and now 7600, the releases from 7137 to 7229 never had this problem. And this has happened on all my test PC's including Laptops and Desktops.

    I have tried many changes in settings for Power Settings (Advanced), Network Adapter Settings, Monitor settings.

    Ideally I want my Network Adapter to stay Active on my main box so I can access files from my other computers any time I need them, I want my HDD's to go to sleep when not in use so they will live for a while. and My Monitors to shut down when not in use.
    All computers are Multi-Boot

    Any one have any Ideas??

    Here are some Hardware details.
    Main System
    Windows 7 7600 RTM x64 Ultimate
    Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3, Intel C2Q 6600 64Bit
    Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI Gigabit
    8 Gig Ram
    Dual nVidia 9400 GT (PCI-e and PCI)
    7 HDD's @ 5.5 TByts (SATA II and IDE)
    4 Monitors 3-LCD Hanns G, 1-AOC

    2nd Test System
    Windows 7 7600 RTM x64 Pro
    Gigabyte GA-G31M-ES2L, Intel C2D E6450 64Bit
    Realtek RTL8111C (PCI) Gigabit
    4 Gig, nVidia 7200 GS (PCI-e)
    5 HDD's @ 1.75 TByts (SATA II and IDE)
    2 Monitors, 1 LCD-Hanns-G, 1 CRT-Samtron

    3rd Test Laptop
    Windows 7 7600 RTM x86 Home Premium
    Lenovo 3000 N100, Intel C2D T2060 32Bit
    Intel Pro Wireless3945ABG
    2 Gig, Mobile Intel 945 Graphics Chip Set
    1 HDD - (SATA II)

    4th Test Netbook
    Windows 7 7600 RTM x86 Home Basic
    Acer AspireONE, Intel C2-ATOM N270
    Atheros AR5007EG Wireless, Realtek RTL8102E PCI - NIC
    1.5 Gig RAM, Mobile Intel 945 Graphics Chip Set
    1 HDD, WD 120 SATA II


    Antman said:
    Because the issue propogates across platforms and OS builds, it is reasonable to conclude that the cause is not in the hardware or the OS build.

    Are you applying a setting at any level that is drawn from your legacy bag of tricks?

    For more than a year, I dealt with XP booting to svchost running at 50%/100% due to a customized network setting on my slipstream CDs. I knew it was somewhere in those settings because I finally solved the problem by installing from a slipstream that used default network settings. I burned an entire pack of CDs testing different slipstream configs. I still do not know what the actual setting was that caused the problem.

    Something I "learned" and applied caused a major XP "bug". It spanned XP, XP SP1 and XP SP2 on every machine I ever installed it on.
    Yes Antman, I have dealt with that issue in Win XP as well, and found the solution to the problems in the settings for network controls and services related to them.
    That is what I am trying to solve in Win7. Not massive resource demands, just the freeze problem.

    I do a lot of experimenting in my design work on my laptop (the Lenovo, the Acer is my Wife's toy) and them Sync the files to my main box, then intigrate the design work and run simulation testing on my main box (cause It has the needed resources).

    The only Network services that I have not used yet is the HomeGroup, I did test it in the beginning, but It will not communicate with any other OS but Win 7 and Server 2008. But I don't think that it would be related to the Freeze problem.

    One point that I can not figure out, When my System (my main box) goes to sleep and then freezes, it turns off the Network Adapter and USB ports.
    I have gone through the Advanced settings and disabled the shut-down options on them, but they still shut down on the 7600 version, that one didn't happen on the earlier versions, (that I recall).
    If you have any of this problem or solution to it, please post.
    Thanks
    LarryLaser
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  2. Posts : 2,899
    Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
       #2

    actually yes i have had this problem and for some reason it has become less and less apparent on other test builds...
    i have also have had a problem with the USB that at any moment it may freeze on me (it felt like playing russian roulette where i would lose my work if it froze..)

    i have not tweaked in the sense that you have and you can say i have a default installation of Win7....
    hearing such a report makes me think it might still be hardware related (the only builds that i did not have this happen was on the pre 7000 builds....(6801 was jthe only build where i did not have this problem....)

    i also have no solution for this and have done everything that i could think of, the only culprit i can think of would be hardware the hardware drivers (it seems interesting that you say USB and the Network (this is laptop and i use a wireless card) have had issues ...:) i began to hypothesize that it may be the usb causing the freezing, because in certain builds i was able to get access to computer without it freezing but had hard CPU usage by the System , DPC's and Interrupts (bordering on 100%, with USB device attached, and with devices unattached during sleep)...

    since i found out my PC's HDD became corrupted (have had way to many corrupt sectors) and been brought a spare HDD, i will experiment on disabling driver and other miscellaneous software and see if i can come it make a sense of this weird bug...:)
    Last edited by darkassain; 11 Aug 2009 at 03:36.
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  3. Posts : 623
    vista x64/ win 7 x64
       #3

    me too had this problem, it was my usb keyboard. If detached it and put a standard ps2 there were no problems. I solved it by putting a microswitch which cut the keyboard +5v. After a while i forgot the switch and it came up normally and haven't had the problem since.

    The miracles of modern science
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  4. Posts : 2,899
    Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
       #4

    petrossa said:
    I solved it by putting a microswitch which cut the keyboard +5v.

    The miracles of modern science
    i would want one of those...
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  5. Posts : 623
    vista x64/ win 7 x64
       #5

    darkassain said:
    i would want one of those...
    A miracle? If not, i just cut the 5v+ USB wire on the mb, rewired it to a standard micro cantilever switch, added a green led which fed off the 5v line and away you go.
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  6. Posts : 2,899
    Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
       #6

    petrossa said:
    A miracle? If not, i just cut the 5v+ USB wire on the mb, rewired it to a standard micro cantilever switch, added a green led which fed off the 5v line and away you go.
    ooh and that would work if it was my desktop (since i build that myself), but alas its my laptop (which i say is under warranty)if i tried that not only would i have unsolder and resolder the metal strips, but i have a big chance of messing up my lappy's mb, not to mention void the warranty...
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  7. Posts : 623
    vista x64/ win 7 x64
       #7

    darkassain said:
    ooh and that would work if it was my desktop (since i build that myself), but alas its my laptop (which i say is under warranty)if i tried that not only would i have unsolder and resolder the metal strips, but i have a big chance of messing up my lappy's mb, not to mention void the warranty...
    just cut the cable then. The wires are colour coded. Put the led over the 5v feed so it lights up when you're active
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  8. Posts : 146
    Windows 7 Ultimate X64 RTM
       #8

    I also have a sleep issue with vista x64 and 7 x64, i believe part of fault is the hardware and drivers used on the system. I wish i could get it to work though coz every BSOD i get in sleep mode returns different errors from USB sys to nvidia drivers to %h whatever that syntax means.
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  9. Posts : 69
    Windows 7 7600 x86 &x64, Windows XPP sp3 (x86) & sp2 x64
    Thread Starter
       #9

    Does Nobody have a frigging clue on how to find the bug that is causing this freeze and sleep issue??
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  10. Posts : 2,899
    Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
       #10

    LarryLaser said:
    Does Nobody have a frigging clue on how to find the bug that is causing this freeze and sleep issue??
    hey larry it seems that disabling some USB Root HUB devices (at least for me...) so far has worked for me....
    i disabled some that seem to not be used even though i have every usb slot filled...

    and my guess was correct that my problem was usb based (i found out that there 7 root hubs and i only have 3 usb slots +2 for blue-tooth and Fingerprint) i disabled two and so far so good...

    uptime has been for 3 hours (pluging devices and unplugging every 5-10 minutes [before such heavy unplugging would the render the system unoperable in a few minutes]...)

    it seems my sleep issue has vanished too although i need to do more testing...:)
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