3 Major Window 7 Complaints

[Hopalong X]

Mike

He didn't ask for help. Seems he wanted MS complaint department so I provided a link.
No disrespect intended but we aren't Microsoft.

I also provided a link to Dzomjila's tutorial.

If they asked a question then someone could assist.
Still waiting for his question.
Mike

 

[mikedl]

Thanks, Mike. Understood and much appreciated.

However, I see all too often wherein a new poster is put on the defensive. We all have a larger responsibility in this area - especially us "Gurus."

Again, my very humble, observational opinion.

 

[Cato]

I dunno, the guy brings a few legitimate complaints to the table and he's met with ... derision?

I hate the Search function in Win 7. Have I learned to use it and tweak the indexing? Sure. Was it much, much easier in XP? Sure.

A bit of help and guidance in regard to his complaints would go much further than retorts simply saying "learn the new way."

My very humble opinion ...

You make some good points, but, if you look at message #5 and message #7, I think you will see that the OP wasn't really interested in help as he was in putting down forum members.

Right or wrong, attitudes are usually met with like attitudes.

 

[nitroman84]

I think any one of us could have drove over to his house in person and showed him exactly how to do everything he wanted and he would still find something to complain about. Some people would just rather throw insults than accept advice.

 

[whs]

mike, you certainly have a valid point. But we all can sense whether someone is coming here for help or just ranting. He started already in his first sentence with:

valuable functionality removed and it seems as though Microsoft has no intention of restoring these back. I would really like to know WHY?

How are we supposed to know why Microsoft does things the way they do. I think he was not asking for a solution, but for an argument. Several people gave him good guidance on how things work in Win7, but instead he gave an "education lesson" on XP. I don't think we treated him unfairly. He asked for it.

 

[mikedl]

Fair enough, Wolfgang and all the others justifying their responses. My apologies.

Certainly, many gave concise responses but the tone can sometimes catalyze the disintegration of productive discussions.

I guess I'm a bit too sensitive regarding such, admittedly so. I do respect all of you very highly and I am honored to be a part of these Forums.

Thank you, all, for weighing my very humble opinion.

 

[Sardonicus]

Tone and phrasing has a lot to do with the tone in which we're answered.
Use these .

 

[sygnus21]

I dunno, the guy brings a few legitimate complaints to the table and he's met with ... derision?

I hate the Search function in Win 7. Have I learned to use it and tweak the indexing? Sure. Was it much, much easier in XP? Sure.

A bit of help and guidance in regard to his complaints would go much further than retorts simply saying "learn the new way."

My very humble opinion ...

Good point. Though I didn't like the guy's tone I could see why he got defensive. But to be honest his tone put people in attck mode, whether intentional or not.

Anyway you make a valid point, and one we need to remember.

My two cents.

 

[James Colbert]

Good point. Though I didn't like the guy's tone I could see why he got defensive. But to be honest his tone put people in attck mode, whether intentional or not.

Something we could all learn from (myself included), except I believe it was he who was put on the defensive. Remember, he's a 'guest' in our 'house'. Me? I have a problem with 'Gurus' who jump on new (& regular) posters, as though, somehow, their sensibilities have been offended. It is, after all, why we're here...to help those who don't understand.

I have been very vocal about this issue, much to the irritation of some. So much so that perhaps I risk becoming to those gurus what they are to the newbies that rant or ask that "irritating" question (or questions that press the buttons of some). How disconcerting is that :shock:?

Many here set an example of responding respectfully no matter what the circumstances. I aspire to such behaviour, lest I become that which I protest against. As should we all.

James

 

[sygnus21]

James I completely agree with your point and will say that I have reported posts where "senior" members were bashing guests. And I'm sure some of mine have been reported as well. However "guests/new members" need understand that their tone also affects the response they receive.

Yes the senior members should know better, but the guests can't just come in your house and start giving attitude.

I'm not saying we didn't have dirty hands too, but his second post didn't exactly convey a warm hello to the forum members either....

Please before you comment, I hope everyone else will know what they are talking about.

Let's just look at this as a lesson learned and move on.

My two cents.

 

[Phone Man]

Since I am not a real Windows 7 Guru, I checked his complaints and here is what I found.

Computer Management does have a Properties choice but it is just about the shortcut. Under Computer Management there is an Action Tab and has the Connect to another Computer choice. All the other features he is looking for have been moved to Control Panel/System/Advance System Settings. Its all there, just been moved.

Don't use Search much, but seems to work fine if the system is Indexed.

My impression is the Task Bar took the place of a Tool Bar (am i wrong)

I had problems after using XP for a number of years and learning where MS moved everything. It looks like most of it is still there but rearranged. Took a while to find what I wanted and still take a few wrong paths but finally get there.

Jim

 

[James Colbert]

James I completely agree with your point and will say that I have reported posts where "senior" members were bashing guests. And I'm sure some of mine have been reported as well. However "guests/new members" need understand that their tone also affects the response they receive.

Yes the senior members should know better, but the guests can't just come in your house and start giving attitude.

I'm not saying we didn't have dirty hands too, but his second post didn't exactly convey a warm hello to the forum members either....

Please before you comment, I hope everyone else will know what they are talking about.

Let's just look at this as a lesson learned and move on.

My two cents.

Hi Drew,

I should have emphasised that I was not speaking to you, or really, anyone else directly. I was more addressing a dynamic that seems to occur regularly. I was also addressing my own actions. I guess if we arrived in this world perfect and complete, the journey would be pointless. Thanks for your response.

James

 

[James Colbert]

...My impression is the Task Bar took the place of a Tool Bar...

I never really got into the XP style desktop toolbars (the ones that could be detatched and moved around the XP desktop), but I think a good replacement might be RocketDock or similar although I never really used that either. Perhaps someone who has will comment.

James

 

[garret334]

Hello Fellow IT Professionals,

I owe you all an apology both for my words and my tone. I have taken to heart many of your comments as they hit close to home. My original post was intended for Microsoft’s ears. I was angry when I wrote it and I should have changed it substantially before I posted it. Again, I am sorry. I believe I face many of the same problems as all of you have. Limited budgets, wanting to please the workers and employers I serve, fielding there complaints and finding myself defending Microsoft when I don’t agree with them either. Obviously some of these issues are my own. In my early years I had the privilege to work for a company that had both a language product and business applications. Back then I was Senior Systems Analyst/Programmer. I worked in business applications. I was however involved in the language planning and implementation planning. My company and my experience with other languages companies was that we all strived for 100% compatibility as well as adding new features and feature enhancement. Compatibility was always the primary goal. Our customers expected that they would be able to recompile there code without change and it would perform exactly as in did in under the old version. Companies back then were proud of fast compilers and compilers that produced efficient executable s. As for Microsoft, I have had a love / hate relationship with them for a very long time. I am continually impressed by what I can do and what these systems can do today and at same time I curse them for many of the changes forced on us. I learn something new everyday. I embrace the new capabilities and I scream in pain when in my mind I find functionality they removed for reasons never explained. Windows 7 is one of Microsoft’s better efforts and yet still needs much refinement. I wish I had an opportunity to shape that refinement. I did have some thoughts that perhaps one of you knew some clever way to restate the missing features or function. Maybe a modified registry key the would return the function in some legacy or compatibility mode. Looking for a solution that had not become public yet as I did spend a fair amount of time trying to find that very solution. For those of you who saw past my anger and perhaps sympathized my complaint I wish to thank you for your understating.

Sincerely,
[FONT=&quot]Garret334[/FONT]

 

[sygnus21]

Hi Drew,

I should have emphasised that I was not speaking to you, or really, anyone else directly. I was more addressing a dynamic that seems to occur regularly. I was also addressing my own actions. I guess if we arrived in this world perfect and complete, the journey would be pointless. Thanks for your response.

James

James I never took it that way, and I thought you had a valid point.

No offense taken

 

[mikedl]

I enjoyed the detachable tool-bars in XP but I have adjusted as I now just leave them in the task bar:



The window options for resizing in Win 7 are too good to pass up by docking a tool bar that might interfere.

 

[mikedl]

Hello Fellow IT Professionals,

I owe you all an apology both for my words and my tone. I have taken to heart many of your comments as they hit close to home. My original post was intended for Microsoft’s ears. I was angry when I wrote it and I should have changed it substantially before I posted it. Again, I am sorry. I believe I face many of the same problems as all of you have. Limited budgets, wanting to please the workers and employers I serve, fielding there complaints and finding myself defending Microsoft when I don’t agree with them either. Obviously some of these issues are my own. In my early years I had the privilege to work for a company that had both a language product and business applications. Back then I was Senior Systems Analyst/Programmer. I worked in business applications. I was however involved in the language planning and implementation planning. My company and my experience with other languages companies was that we all strived for 100% compatibility as well as adding new features and feature enhancement. Compatibility was always the primary goal. Our customers expected that they would be able to recompile there code without change and it would perform exactly as in did in under the old version. Companies back then were proud of fast compilers and compilers that produced efficient executable s. As for Microsoft, I have had a love / hate relationship with them for a very long time. I am continually impressed by what I can do and what these systems can do today and at same time I curse them for many of the changes forced on us. I learn something new everyday. I embrace the new capabilities and I scream in pain when in my mind I find functionality they removed for reasons never explained. Windows 7 is one of Microsoft’s better efforts and yet still needs much refinement. I wish I had an opportunity to shape that refinement. I did have some thoughts that perhaps one of you knew some clever way to restate the missing features or function. Maybe a modified registry key the would return the function in some legacy or compatibility mode. Looking for a solution that had not become public yet as I did spend a fair amount of time trying to find that very solution. For those of you who saw past my anger and perhaps sympathized my complaint I wish to thank you for your understating.

Sincerely,
[FONT=&quot]Garret334[/FONT]

+ 1,000,000

Thanks, Garret!

 

[soho1]

I have always wondered why it's precisely us, the geeks and nerds, who so often have enormous problems to understand that as everything else, also operating systems evolve. How can someone still think that when hardware is changing and developing so incredible fast, the OS should stay as it has always been and not change at all.

Thus, back in the 60's or 70's a show called The Prisoner was written by Patrick McGoohan, who wrote it (and directed and starred) specifically based on his thesis that technology changes faster than man can adapt to it and we each deal with that struggle differently. He has some fascinating interviews before he died around the turn of the century.

 

[sygnus21]

Hello Fellow IT Professionals,

I owe you all an apology both for my words and my tone. I have taken to heart many of your comments as they hit close to home. My original post was intended for Microsoft’s ears. I was angry when I wrote it and I should have changed it substantially before I posted it. Again, I am sorry. I believe I face many of the same problems as all of you have. Limited budgets, wanting to please the workers and employers I serve, fielding there complaints and finding myself defending Microsoft when I don’t agree with them either. Obviously some of these issues are my own. In my early years I had the privilege to work for a company that had both a language product and business applications. Back then I was Senior Systems Analyst/Programmer. I worked in business applications. I was however involved in the language planning and implementation planning. My company and my experience with other languages companies was that we all strived for 100% compatibility as well as adding new features and feature enhancement. Compatibility was always the primary goal. Our customers expected that they would be able to recompile there code without change and it would perform exactly as in did in under the old version. Companies back then were proud of fast compilers and compilers that produced efficient executable s. As for Microsoft, I have had a love / hate relationship with them for a very long time. I am continually impressed by what I can do and what these systems can do today and at same time I curse them for many of the changes forced on us. I learn something new everyday. I embrace the new capabilities and I scream in pain when in my mind I find functionality they removed for reasons never explained. Windows 7 is one of Microsoft’s better efforts and yet still needs much refinement. I wish I had an opportunity to shape that refinement. I did have some thoughts that perhaps one of you knew some clever way to restate the missing features or function. Maybe a modified registry key the would return the function in some legacy or compatibility mode. Looking for a solution that had not become public yet as I did spend a fair amount of time trying to find that very solution. For those of you who saw past my anger and perhaps sympathized my complaint I wish to thank you for your understating.

Sincerely,
[FONT=&quot]Garret334[/FONT]

Garret I think the forum member here can appreciate your honest apology. I'll also say sorry for the way things turned out and hope you find better success.

As to yous issues, unfortunately I have no solutions to offer. Sorry.

Anyways thanks, and good luck

Thus, back in the 60's or 70's a show called The Prisoner was written by Patrick McGoohan, who wrote it (and directed and starred) specifically based on his thesis that technology changes faster than man can adapt to it and we each deal with that struggle differently. He has some fascinating interviews before he died around the turn of the century.

Man I used to love that show


At any rate I say we move on and let bygones be bygones

Peace

 

[Phone Man]

Garret,
Apology accepted. I also was frustrated with Win 7 when I first started using it but over time I have learned the changes and all is well. See my previous post# 34 and see if that information helps in regard to the Computer Management missing tabs. Stick around, this forum has good information and lots of good folks that will help with any questions.

Jim