Solved Netframe Work 4.0/2.0

[niemiro]

Hello Mike!

I bow down to you, I may well be very wrong.

I would much prefer it if you did nothing of the sort! As I already wrote this is not really a question of being right or wrong, It is a matter of using the correct parameters.

However, may I just confirm a few things for my own knowledge?

The only bit you are disagreeing with is whether a .net 3.5 application will run on .net 4.0. Is that the only bit you are disagreeing with, or is some of the rest incorrect as well?

I am not disagreeing with that, or indeed any other of your comments regarding the actual internal workings of various .net Framework versions or their compatibility. I have no doubt whatsoever that your comments in this respect are absolutely correct. The problem is that none of that makes much sense to a normal user, it is also completely irrelevant, because he can not influence it in any way. Long and involved explanations from the point of view of a coder are largely irrelevant to users anyway, and in this case, your declared target was to give a clear explanation of the matter. All you did was muddy the waters with material which although it may be correct in itself, is completely irrelevant to a user on Windows 7.

He does not need to install anything at all for .net compatible versions up to 3.5.1 indeed it is not possible! They are integrated by default. he also does not need to know anything at all about the internal workings of these things. Explaining various code dependencies to a user is absolutely pointless, and merely confuses him.

Thanks a lot!

Richard

Regards....Mike Connor

You bring some very good points to the table there.

I accept that what I was saying was more from a programmers point of view, and "muddy the waters" was very fair indeed!

I don't think that there ever were any disagreements, just me causing confusion? Would you tend to agree?

Thanks again!

Richard

 

[Mike Connor]

I don't think we had any disagreements at all, merely a discussion. Your observations are all correct as far as they go, and as far as I am able to ascertain.

Perhaps this will make the point clearer;

QUESTION FROM WINDOWS 7 USER. "What do I have to do to get .net framework applications running on my machine?"

ANSWER. Nothing. The framework is integrated.

QUESTION FROM WINDOWS 7 USER. "Some programs wont run, what can I do".

ANSWER. Download the standalone .net 4.0 installer, run it, and then run an update.


Regards....Mike Connor

 

[Mike Connor]

I accept that what I was saying was more from a programmers point of view, and "muddy the waters" was very fair indeed!

I don't think that there ever were any disagreements, just me causing confusion? Would you tend to agree?

Thanks again!

Richard

Yes!

Regards....Mike Connor

 

[niemiro]

I don't think we had any disagreements at all, merely a discussion. Your observations are all correct as far as they go, and as far as I am able to ascertain.

Perhaps this will make the point clearer;

QUESTION FROM WINDOWS 7 USER. "What do I have to do to get .net framework applications running on my machine?"

ANSWER. Nothing. The framework is integrated.

QUESTION FROM WINDOWS 7 USER. "Some programs wont run, what can I do".

ANSWER. Download the standalone .net 4.0 installer, run it, and then run an update.


Regards....Mike Connor

It does make the point a lot clearer! I completely see the point, and after all, some of my points were overly complex and really not helpful at all. lol.

I accept that what I was saying was more from a programmers point of view, and "muddy the waters" was very fair indeed!

I don't think that there ever were any disagreements, just me causing confusion? Would you tend to agree?

Thanks again!

Richard

Yes!

Regards....Mike Connor

Anyway, it has been a good discussion! (even if the stuff left for a "Windows 7 user" to sift through on this thread is rather "muddy"!

See you around!

Richard

 

[Mike Connor]

Anyway, it has been a good discussion! (even if the stuff left for a "Windows 7 user" to sift through on this thread is rather "muddy"!

See you around!

Richard

The nature of the beast! One tends to see things from one's own point of vantage, heavily influenced by one's own knowledge, experience, and enthusiasm for something, and thereby lose sight of the actual target.

Regards....Mike Connor

 

[Mike Connor]

Just as an aside; from the point of view of a coder, you might enjoy this;

QTTabBar

Really great software as well!

Regards....Mike Connor

 

[niemiro]

Just as an aside; from the point of view of a coder, you might enjoy this;

QTTabBar

Really great software as well!

Regards....Mike Connor

Thanks a lot for the tip! I do actually have it, and I find it really, really useful! Do you use it?

I had a look at the source once, and it shocked me. I should know how much code it takes to write applications, and for the most part I do - I have seen vast applications etc. etc. and I do know how much code it takes to write what appears to be even tiny applications, but that one was deceptive, even for me.

The amount of code was vast. Absolutely vast. I didn't just underestimate that application, I just got it plain wrong. Kudos to the developer! That application is SO huge!

I am supposed to be a developer also. I have never underestimated something like that so badly before.

If you want, and if you have Visual Studio, just download and open the source code, and start looking at some of the files.

I absolutely guarantee that you will be shocked. I certainly was!

Richard

 

[niemiro]

Anyway, it has been a good discussion! (even if the stuff left for a "Windows 7 user" to sift through on this thread is rather "muddy"!

See you around!

Richard

The nature of the beast! One tends to see things from one's own point of vantage, heavily influenced by one's own knowledge, experience, and enthusiasm for something, and thereby lose sight of the actual target.

Regards....Mike Connor

Enthusiasm! Exactly! lol. And the rest. You understand perfectly well!

I shall try to think about real life situations next time. I will still think about the hypothetical, but I need to bring myself down to earth at some point! lol.

Thanks again!

 

[Mike Connor]

Just as an aside; from the point of view of a coder, you might enjoy this;

QTTabBar

Really great software as well!

Regards....Mike Connor

Thanks a lot for the tip! I do actually have it, and I find it really, really useful! Do you use it?

I had a look at the source once, and it shocked me. I should know how much code it takes to write applications, and for the most part I do - I have seen vast applications etc. etc. and I do know how much code it takes to write what appears to be even tiny applications, but that one was deceptive, even for me.

The amount of code was vast. Absolutely vast. I didn't just underestimate that application, I just got it plain wrong. Kudos to the developer! That application is SO huge!

I am supposed to be a developer also. I have never underestimated something like that so badly before.

If you want, and if you have Visual Studio, just download and open the source code, and start looking at some of the files.

I absolutely guarantee that you will be shocked. I certainly was!

Richard

I can no longer do without it! It is so incredibly useful. Comparable to having a complete OS upgrade. I have been using it for years, on all my machines, and I was really really happy to see development continued for Windows 7.

The guy has done an absolutely amazing job on this. It is now actually faster than Explorer itself!! By a very large margin. No memory leaks, no slow windows trying to open. Simply brilliant.

I still have the original source code from the original developer, ( It seems he was killed in a car crash, and development had ceased as a result of that ), because I was toying with the idea of trying to do something with it myself, but it was such a massive job I decided not to.

Paul Accisano, the present developer;

Introductions « QTTabBar

has done an incredible job on it, and is going very strong with further development. I will be very interested indeed to see where this actually goes. Would not surprise me if Microsoft didn't try to do something with it, he has actually repaired some of their awful coding!!!

It makes Windows 7 far more usable and comfortable.

Regards.....Mike Connor

 

[Mike Connor]

PS. You might also like this add-on;

QTHoney - QTTabBar Plugin for Mouse Gestures - ::bOrderFactory::Wiki

and here is some other stuff for it;

http://www.sevenforums.com/customization/151865-classic-shell-add-buttons.html#post1302905

Regards....Mike Connor

 

[Greg S]

Paul Accisano, the present developer;

Introductions « QTTabBar

has done an incredible job on it, and is going very strong with further development. I will be very interested indeed to see where this actually goes. Would not surprise me if Microsoft didn't try to do something with it, he has actually repaired some of their awful coding!!!

It makes Windows 7 far more usable and comfortable.

Regards.....Mike Connor

Hi Mike,
Do you know if Beta 2 can be installed over the top of Beta 1? Thanks

 

[Mike Connor]

Hi Mike,
Do you know if Beta 2 can be installed over the top of Beta 1? Thanks[/QUOTE]

Yes, you can just install over Beta 1.

Regards....Mike Connor