i think my brand new VIDEO CARD is broken

[edrik]

thank you mr grim... maybe i'll be looking for a card with a single 12v rail rather than get a better psu..

im still confused.. maybe my mind will clear up after catching up with my project deadline

 

[Mark]

That's not the one he has Chev, he has the green version here which is a energy saving model and doesn't have the gold fingers or a 6 pin power connection.

 

[chev65]

[LGA1366] Asus P6T Deluxe V2
Intel™ Core™ i7 920 2.66 ghz 8mb 4.8 GT/s (D0 SLBEJ) box (lga1366)
[RAM DDR3] corsair 6gb (triple) ddr3-1333 pc3-10600
[VGA PCIE] Palit 9800GT Super+ 1gb/256bit ddr3 DVI/HDMI (x2)
[HDD] Seagate 1tb/32mb 7200.11 (ST31000340AS) sata
Cooler Master HAF 922
HEC 1000watts Cougar CM Series
Cooler Master (V10) cpu cooler

Whats interesting is the the card you listed in the above post is this one.
Palit 9800GT Super+ 1GB Single/SLI Video Card Review :: Palit 9800GT Super+ 1GB Card :: Motherboards.org

But the picture you showed is of a completely different card, which by the way only draws 75watts.
GeForce 9800 GT Green - No External Power Needed - VR-Zone.com: News and Reviews

So I'm left to wonder which card you are using?

 

[edrik]

im using the 2nd one... and still having issues concerning enabling SLI.. or detecting two video cards

 

[edrik]

Whats interesting is the the card you listed in the above post is this one.
Palit 9800GT Super+ 1GB Single/SLI Video Card Review :: Palit 9800GT Super+ 1GB Card :: Motherboards.org

But the picture you showed is of a completely different card, which by the way only draws 75watts.
GeForce 9800 GT Green - No External Power Needed - VR-Zone.com: News and Reviews

So I'm left to wonder which card you are using?

if it only draws 75watts. what could be causing my other video card not being detected ?

sometimes it gets detected.. then after i launch too many apps (revit architecture) my computer stops responding and after reboot my other card is missing again..

maybe it has something to do with cmos or bios setup ?
*i dont really know im a noob at these kinda things*

 

[chev65]

I would think it's more driver related. Which Nvidia drivers are you using for it?

You might try going here to see what drivers Nvidia says you need.
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

 

[edrik]

NVIDIA System Information report created on: 08/02/2009 02:10:35
System name: EDRICK-PC
[Display]
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz (2673 MHz)
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64-bit
DirectX version: 11.0
GPU processor: GeForce 9800 GT
Driver version: 190.38
Stream processors: 112
Core clock: 550 MHz
Shader clock: 1375 MHz
Memory clock: 900 MHz (1800 MHz data rate)
Memory interface: 256-bit
Total available graphics memory: 3835 MB
Dedicated video memory: 1024 MB
System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 2811 MB
Video BIOS version: 62.92.84.00.06
IRQ: 24
Bus: PCI Express x16 Gen2
[Components]
nvCpl.cpl 2.7.130.16 NVIDIA Control Panel Applet
nvCplUI.exe 2.7.130.16 NVIDIA Control Panel
nvWSS.dll 8.15.11.9038 NVIDIA Workstation Server
nvViTvS.dll 8.15.11.9038 NVIDIA Video and TV Server
NVSTVIEW.EXE 7.15.11.9038 NVIDIA GeForce 3D Vision
NVSTTEST.EXE 7.15.11.9038 NVIDIA 3D Vision Test Application
NVSTRES.DLL 7.15.11.9038 NVIDIA 3D Vision Module (4347133)
NVMCTRAY.DLL 8.15.11.9038 NVIDIA Media Center Library
nvDispS.dll 8.15.11.9038 NVIDIA Display Server
NVCPL.DLL 8.15.11.9038 NVIDIA Compatible Windows7 Display driver, Version 190.38
PhysX 09.09.0428 NVIDIA PhysX
NVCUDA.DLL 8.15.11.9038 NVIDIA CUDA 2.3 driver
nvGameS.dll 8.15.11.9038 NVIDIA 3D Settings Server

 

[chev65]

Those are the latest ones. I'm sure you have gone into Nvidia control panel and enabled SLI. Also seems like a 1000 watt PSU can handle getting 75 watts to the pci slots but I've never heard of that brand before.

 

[edrik]

yeah i have enabled it.. and it worked.. maybe for a few hours... then my computer crashed..

 

[Mark]

Total power available to the system ATM is 160 Watts/ 13 Amps

2 x 9800 GT = 150Ws/ 12.5A Normal use, Max Load more like 200W

Core™ i7 920 2.66 ghz = 130W/ 10.83A

Total = 280W/ 23.33A Minimum Requirements

Total under Full Load more like 330W/ 27.5A

As you can see there is not enough power to run everything with any sort of load.

 

[chev65]

You might try uninstalling the display drivers and shut down, drain all power by unplugging the psu and pushing the start button, then remove the lower card. Start up again and reinstall the display drivers, power down again the same way then reinstall the lower card then boot up again. The new card should be detected, open up the Nvidia control panal, enable SLI and see if it works.

If that doesn't work you might want to try one of the other Nvidia drivers, possibly the 185 series.

 

[chev65]

Total power available to the system ATM is 160 Watts/ 13 Amps

2 x 9800 GT = 150Ws/ 12.5A Normal use, Max Load more like 200W

Core™ i7 920 2.66 ghz = 130W/ 10.83A

Total = 280W/ 23.33A Minimum Requirements

Total under Full Load more like 330W/ 27.5A

As you can see there is not enough power to run everything with any sort of load.

I agree with your calculations and I never trust noname PSU's either, the power requirements of the second card may be whats causing this. But the specs on that PSU are more than enough from what I'm reading.

I'm just seeing if we can get him going without having to spend more money LOL.

According to what I'm reading the Couger psu is an 80plus bronze certified unit.
http://www.outletpc.com/c1089.html which should be plenty for his system no matter which way you slice it.

 

[edrik]

Total power available to the system ATM is 160 Watts/ 13 Amps

2 x 9800 GT = 150Ws/ 12.5A Normal use, Max Load more like 200W

Core™ i7 920 2.66 ghz = 130W/ 10.83A

Total = 280W/ 23.33A Minimum Requirements

Total under Full Load more like 330W/ 27.5A

As you can see there is not enough power to run everything with any sort of load.

do you mean that i'm lacking around 120W to get to the minimum required power ? and around 170W more ? to getmy rig in full throttle ?
i thought a 12v rail video card and sticking with my current PSU would resolve my problems ?
im confused now

*a bit off topic here*
here's what i've been rendering with my new rig..
took about 2hours to render
"draft quality"
hoping that a good card would help me finish it a lot quicker..
since draft quality still looks pretty much 3d..
i prefer to render my work in best quality which is more photo realistic..
View attachment 20957

EDIT:
oh no ! i forgot to put the elevators on my lobby.. LOL

 

[edrik]

I agree with your calculations and I never trust noname PSU's either, the power requirements of the second card may be whats causing this. But the specs on that PSU are more than enough from what I'm reading.

I'm just seeing if we can get him going without having to spend more money LOL.

According to what I'm reading the Couger psu is an 80plus bronze certified unit.
OutletPC.com - HEC 1000 Watt Continous Power Supply - SALE PRICE: $209.89 which should be plenty for his system no matter which way you slice it.

so does that mean my cards are the ones that have problems ?

 

[chev65]

so does that mean my cards are the ones that have problems ?

From where I'm standing those cards should both work and you have more than enough power for them. Thats an 80watt+ unit with 6-12 volt rails, 4 of them at 24amps each and two of them at 28 amps each.

I think what Grim is trying to say is that since there are no 6 pin cables being used then all of the load is on the pci slots themselfs which may not have enough power.

But I'm not sure which rails are for the pci slots, i'm assuming it's the ones with 28amps, if so, according to Grim's calculations it would still have enough power for your two cards because it came out to 27.5 amps. Those pci slots might even have 28amps each in which case you would have more than enough power.

 

[SquonkSC]

Total power available to the system ATM is 160 Watts/ 13 Amps

2 x 9800 GT = 150Ws/ 12.5A Normal use, Max Load more like 200W

Core™ i7 920 2.66 ghz = 130W/ 10.83A

Total = 280W/ 23.33A Minimum Requirements

Total under Full Load more like 330W/ 27.5A

As you can see there is not enough power to run everything with any sort of load.

Mr Grim?? :shock:

You are still at it??

And still trying to convince the man he needs another PSU?

Man, my deepest respect for your patience. Unbelievable.

 

[Mark]

do you mean that i'm lacking around 120W to get to the minimum required power ? and around 170W more ? to getmy rig in full throttle ?
i thought a 12v rail video card and sticking with my current PSU would resolve my problems ?
im confused now

*a bit off topic here*
here's what i've been rendering with my new rig..
took about 2hours to render
"draft quality"
hoping that a good card would help me finish it a lot quicker..
since draft quality still looks pretty much 3d..
i prefer to render my work in best quality which is more photo realistic..
View attachment 20957

EDIT:
oh no ! i forgot to put the elevators on my lobby.. LOL

LOL, that looks so realistic, great work even without the elevators.

Your PSU has 6 12v Rails with about 160W on each, one of those 12v rails would be powering the Motherboard and everything on it like the CPU Memory and your Video Cards.

Because most Video cards have an external power supply separate to the one powering the Motherboard your PSU has been designed to utilize this and that's why they have gone for 6 12v Rails instead of a single high powered 12v Rail.

Unfortunately your Video cards can't make use of the extra 12v Rails and are relying solely on the one powering the Motherboard and everything that is connected to it.

If you have Video cards with the external power connectors that means they will draw there power from the other Rails and boosting your total available power to 480W.

So like I keep saying, either get a good single Rail PSU or get Video cards that use an external power connection.

 

[Mark]

From where I'm standing those cards should both work and you have more than enough power for them. Thats an 80watt+ unit with 6-12 volt rails, 4 of them at 24amps each and two of them at 28 amps each.

I think what Grim is trying to say is that since there are no 6 pin cables being used then all of the load is on the pci slots themselfs which may not have enough power.

But I'm not sure which rails are for the pci slots, i'm assuming it's the ones with 28amps, if so, according to Grim's calculations it would still have enough power for your two cards because it came out to 27.5 amps. Those pci slots might even have 28amps each in which case you would have more than enough power.

4x24 = 96
2x28 = 56
Total = 152A

152A x 12v = 1824 Watts (Hmm somethings not adding up here)

I don't beleive they are telling the truth some how.

 

[edrik]

i get it now..
so in other words my vid cards are like.. too old for this new psu or something like that..
and newer cards which have external power connectors are much more suited with my current PSU

at least that's how i think i understand it...

sorry for the redundancy... i was just being cautious so i wont waste my money on another incompatible videocard...

 

[chev65]

4x24 = 96
2x28 = 56
Total = 152A

152A x 12v = 1824 Watts (Hmm somethings not adding up here)

I don't beleive they are telling the truth some how.

All 1000 watt units with 6 rails say the same thing. That is only the potential of each rail. They all can't run at max draw at the same time.

I'm not sure how many rails the board has access too but i'm sure the 28amp rails are for the board and the 24 amps ones are to power the GPU's. It looks like every other 1000 watt 80 plus bronze certified PSU on the market right now to me execpt for it costs less than most.