Would a 1.44 CPU VCORE be too much?

[Erick Aguilar]

I've been attempted to keep a stable A10-5800K 4.4GHZ overclock for the last couple of days.
While I am able to keep the system stable at 4.4 and 1.43750 voltage even in OCCT for 12 hours, randomly I will get BSODS when running games or CPU intensive applications.

My temps are fine, borderline 65 when Running this overclock on OCCT, but the most I've raised the voltage in any chip has been my current voltage.
I read online that 1.44 Volts is wht keeps the A10 5800k Stable at 4.4GHZ, but I am just a little weary about bumping up the voltage.

My cooler seems to be doing fine for air cooling, it is a CM N520.

Any information would be appreciated.

 

[Solarstarshines]

Most AMD chips can take some high voltage but if your temps are almost at the max i would look into other things on the MB to tweek and keep the voltage steady like LLC that ussually keeps the current strong with little to no v-drop because most of the time the V-drop is the reason you need to add more voltage

But there could be some settings you havn't fiddle with that would make it more stable and lessin the heat being produced

 

[Erick Aguilar]

Most AMD chips can take some high voltage but if your temps are almost at the max i would look into other things on the MB to tweek and keep the voltage steady like LLC that ussually keeps the current strong with little to no v-drop because most of the time the V-drop is the reason you need to add more voltage

But there could be some settings you havn't fiddle with that would make it more stable and lessin the heat being produced

This is where I get a little confused. What is exactly LLC? I've seen common talk about the term, but I am unfamiliar with it, and I am not able to locate it in my BIOS.
It's not the first time I've performed an Overclock, but my Current F2A85X-UP4 motherboard doesn't seem to have this option, at least in an obvious place for me to find.

And it is supposed to be an overclocking motherboard from the reviews and information I was able to gather from it.

 

[Solarstarshines]

LLC Load Line Calibration

Pretty much keeps voltages steady with no dips like you would see if it didn't support it

Most of the time when you overclock you have to suppliment more voltages from the drops it gives you when running games or benches if you open HWmonitor the voltages you set in bios are different then what is being read

That would be an offset do the LLC takes the offset away so it will b e the correct voltage and keep it steady and there will be no more voltage drops this is a large part of the OC process

 

[Erick Aguilar]

So basically, to reach the real stable voltage, Say 1.4750, the gross voltage in the bios could be 1.49 so the real voltage being applied to the chip was indeed 1.47?

 

[Solarstarshines]

Yes that is right im not to sure why it drops but that is ussually the result

 

[Erick Aguilar]

Thank you Solar.
Do you believe overclocking my ram might assist in OC stability as well? It's at 1333MHZ right now.

 

[Solarstarshines]

if that is you rated ram speed it probably won't help much and will make it worse if it isn't overclockable ram

But if your ram is underclocked and is actually 1600 i would adjust it to that speed and go from there

you are running AMD so with that you should be able to set the ram a tad higher and start going FSB but only go 2 at a time if that is to much go with 1 incriment on FSB and run benches to see if it holds up

 

[Erick Aguilar]

Yeah, I just read that an AMD engineer recommends 1.47 volts to be supplies to the A10 to achieve maximum overclocking, so I will compare mobo settings with the actual voltage being delivered in OCCT, and set it accordingly to present a real voltage of 1.47

There is also an LLC option in my BIOS which I was just able to confirm, however I don't understand it's functionality, It has 3 presets for auto, medium, and high.
Hm.. time to read the manual.

 

[Solarstarshines]

Yeah, I just read that an AMD engineer recommends 1.47 volts to be supplies to the A10 to achieve maximum overclocking, so I will compare mobo settings with the actual voltage being delivered in OCCT, and set it accordingly to present a real voltage of 1.47

There is also an LLC option in my BIOS which I was just able to confirm, however I don't understand it's functionality, It has 3 presets for auto, medium, and high.
Hm.. time to read the manual.

I have like 4 of those mine is set on high I also have an extreme but that is a whole other animal

I must mention to you when you use LLC there is no need to adjust OCCT because the LLC will fix the voltage drop if you put it on med or high it should lift the voltage to the correct area

 

[Erick Aguilar]

It'll be an exciting night trying to achieve a fully stable overclock
Should probably spend in a close loop water cooling kit as well maybe.
But my temps were fine when I reached 4.4GHZ last night.. We'll see.

 

[Erick Aguilar]

Unfortunately I wasn't able to bring it to a stable 4.4Ghz, the temperatures were too high for my liking at 1.4570 Volts and reaching 70C in under two minutes. The test did not fail for 20 minutes, but I believe the TJMAX for this chip is 74C.

It's strange, I've seen review sites claim that the chip gets up to 89C while running OCCT at 4.5GHZ.
I wonder if my air cooler is under performing.

 

[Solarstarshines]

What cooler are you using ?

I have a waterloop so my temps are probably 20c lower then it would be without it

 

[Erick Aguilar]

What cooler are you using ?

I have a waterloop so my temps are probably 20c lower then it would be without it

It's a CM N520. I guess it's wrong to compare it's performance with my old A6-3670K, that one was overclocked at 3.2Ghz, and it's voltage at 1.43. Would never go up to 60.

This A10-5800K will not break 4.4GHZ before failing miserably in OCCT after 3 seconds. Taking the voltage up two steps will still not give me stability.

However, setting it to the voltage recommended by other A10 overclockers, it just jumps to 70C under two minutes. Interesting considering of the overclock guides I saw was able to overclock it with a stock heatsink, but none of the reviews ever mention temperatures, and I am unable to find a reliable source of this chip's max temperature. Some say 74, some others say 80. Hell I saw someone on a forum say his chip went up to 89C. What I find ridiculous is that in every overclocking guide you see them typing in big bold letters ''what your temperatures'' but never speak about the chips temperature whatsoever.

I can't dare to increase the voltage and run a test for an extended period of time if I'm unsure of what temperature I should be worrying about.

 

[Solarstarshines]

Always keep your temps within what the AMD site suggest they are the only true form of info givin for max temps

 

[Erick Aguilar]

Always keep your temps within what the AMD site suggest they are the only true form of info givin for max temps

That's my problem. I cannot find AMD's specifications for this chip.

 

[Britton30]

AMD A10-Series A10-5800K - AD580KWOA44HJ / AD580KWOHJBOX

 

[Erick Aguilar]

AMD A10-Series A10-5800K - AD580KWOA44HJ / AD580KWOHJBOX

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Thanks, but I learned from experience to never trust that site.
With my old CPU's they would always list it as a temperature that was much much lower to what AMD publishes. Specially with APU's, my last one had a 65Max temperature on CPU world, and when AMD finally released information it was listed to be 74.

 

[Solarstarshines]

I would say that is accurate because the lower the TDP the higher the temp it can max

Im running 125w socket chip my temps top at 61c but during stability test i got to 53c max which means i have more room but i was happy with what i got when overclocking

I also come to the conclunsion we have the same architecture as well

 

[Erick Aguilar]

I would say that is accurate because the lower the TDP the higher the temp it can max

Im running 125w socket chip my temps top at 61c but during stability test i got to 53c max which means i have more room but i was happy with what i got when overclocking

I also come to the conclunsion we have the same architecture as well

Hm.. I wonder how that one guy who claimed his CPU reached 90C managed to post from his computer. I'm guessing 90C would have caused some serious damage.