Using old drive in new computer

[Layback Bear]

Here is a example. What Windows 7/64 can run on. Who would try to do such a thing.

Windows 7 system requirements

Windows 7 system requirements - Windows Help

If your want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes:

• 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
• 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
• 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
• DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver

That is why I stated this.

What computer it can run on will probable be a lot different from a computer it will run well on.

It's you program and your computer of course you can do as you please.

 

[Bob Myers]

A $3000.00 CAD program will probable chew up all the laptop you can install it on.

You have not priced cad/cam recently I presume. Solid Works full with inventor is near $20k now, mine is considered an entry level program in todays world of cam. Even BobCad full is over $5k now. It was $2300 when I bought it 5 years ago.

 

[whs]

I think a program for 3 grand would merit a system for 1 grand minimum.

 

[Layback Bear]

I do understand the cost of CAD programs, only because I Google do to curiosity.

That is the only reason I suggested to get as much computer as you can so what ever CAD program you got will work to its best.

I have no personal gain one way or the other what computer you use.

I just highly recommend doing a lot of research before buying a computer.

 

[Bob Myers]

If the requirement you advise above are minimum requirement for a W7 environment then why pray tell are machines of lesser quality sold by (supposed) manufacturers like Dell, Acer, Asus with less qualifications? Pre-planned obsolescence?
The machine I am running 7 on with all its shortcomings is a store bought package, and at the time with my limited knowledge of what i would need for future use seemed adequate.
As I said, I will take the requirement you advised in your first link to someone who can or will build a machine I can use, or shop some box store for something similar,,,, unless you are willing to build it.

 

[Bob Myers]

I do understand the cost of CAD programs, only because I Google do to curiosity.

That is the only reason I suggested to get as much computer as you can so what ever CAD program you got will work to its best.

I have no personal gain one way or the other what computer you use.

I just highly recommend doing a lot of research before buying a computer.

Please don't misinterpret my replies, I really do appreciate not only you but everyone who has chipped in on this, and I am sure there will be a consensus reached and something better done with my resources. You guys have no idea how much i have learned from this endeavor.

 

[Layback Bear]

Here is another site with some basic well rounded information.

CPU, GPU, and RAM for CAD Workstations | Cadalyst

If you have a quality computer building company in your town, seek their input for a computer to match your CAD program and what you are going to use it for.

Their are a lot of variances.
Some CAD programs will march right along on 8 to 16 gigs of ram and some will use 128 gigs of ram and ask for more.

Research and more research is what I do before spending a lot of money on a computer.

 

[Bob Myers]

talking to a fellow here in Lexington who builds computers, at this point he says a Intel Core i5-4590 @ 3.30GHz rated at
7,251 by passmark is plenty for all I want to do, what is the opinion here, enough? Only a $200 cpu.
I did specify a min of 16G ram, and W7 - 64. Video he is using claims to be a 2g unit, but I have not seen the model number of what exactly he proposes yet.

 

[ignatzatsonic]

talking to a fellow here in Lexington who builds computers, at this point he says a Intel Core i5-4590 @ 3.30GHz rated at
7,251 by passmark is plenty for all I want to do, what is the opinion here, enough? Only a $200 cpu.
I did specify a min of 16G ram, and W7 - 64. Video he is using claims to be a 2g unit, but I have not seen the model number of what exactly he proposes yet.

What is your budget?

Have you made contact with any other machinists who use the same software you need to use? What PC components do they use? I'm guessing you know other people who use CAD/CAM.

You may or may not be able to benefit from an Intel i7, which would have hyperthreading. Some applications can take advantage of that and some can't. That would add maybe $100 to the cost.

There's a major difference between a PC that will "run" certain programs and one that will run them well. Night and day. You can install and run Windows on slow machines with less than 1 GB of RAM, but it's agony.

The 4590 is a strong processor, but there are stronger ones available if you need even more strength. Do you? The 4590 was introduced within the last year or so, so you are in the ballpark with it.

If you need more than 16 GB of RAM, now or in the future, you have to go with Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate.

 

[whs]

talking to a fellow here in Lexington who builds computers, at this point he says a Intel Core i5-4590 @ 3.30GHz rated at
7,251 by passmark is plenty for all I want to do, what is the opinion here, enough? Only a $200 cpu.
I did specify a min of 16G ram, and W7 - 64. Video he is using claims to be a 2g unit, but I have not seen the model number of what exactly he proposes yet.

An i5 is a good CPU. But I would take the "K" model. Then you have the later possibility to OC it if in need for more Mips. The K costs only a few dollars more.

 

[ignatzatsonic]

New computer to run OneCNC XR5 pro

Bob:

You might find the above link useful.

It's a machinist's forum and they are talking about what type of PC is needed to run ONECNC XR5 Pro.

Looks like they generally feel an $800 to $1000 type PC with a mid to upper level i5 or i7 is what is needed. Some talk of SSDs, but they aren't needed.

You might join that forum and give them the specifics of your situation.

 

[Bob Myers]

talking to a fellow here in Lexington who builds computers, at this point he says a Intel Core i5-4590 @ 3.30GHz rated at
7,251 by passmark is plenty for all I want to do, what is the opinion here, enough? Only a $200 cpu.
I did specify a min of 16G ram, and W7 - 64. Video he is using claims to be a 2g unit, but I have not seen the model number of what exactly he proposes yet.

What is your budget?

Have you made contact with any other machinists who use the same software you need to use? What PC components do they use? I'm guessing you know other people who use CAD/CAM.

You may or may not be able to benefit from an Intel i7, which would have hyperthreading. Some applications can take advantage of that and some can't. That would add maybe $100 to the cost.

There's a major difference between a PC that will "run" certain programs and one that will run them well. Night and day. You can install and run Windows on slow machines with less than 1 GB of RAM, but it's agony.

The 4590 is a strong processor, but there are stronger ones available if you need even more strength. Do you? The 4590 was introduced within the last year or so, so you are in the ballpark with it.

If you need more than 16 GB of RAM, now or in the future, you have to go with Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate.

I'm sure(??) since it is 64 bit it will be at least one of those won't it?
My budget was $600.00 until this morning, computer took a dump on one of the CNC mills and since is proprietry stuff I have to purchase an exchange unit from them. $1200.
So my now is whatever the credit card will hold since I no longer can pay as I go with this. Still like to stay under 650 if possible.

 

[ignatzatsonic]

For 650, what would you prefer:

1: find someone in your town to do a custom build for that amount?

2: buy an already assembled machine over the internet? (Dell, HP, etc)

3: buy an already assembled machine locally (Best Buy, Costco, etc)

You can buy a pretty strong 64 bit machine with an i5-4590 or 4690 for 650 online. It would have Windows pre-installed.

Here's an example, just an example:

Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more - Newegg.com

I'm not sure what level of video card you would need for machinist work. The built in graphics on Intel CPUs might be enough, at least temporarily. That's probably an area you need to research.

Look at the machinist's forum link I mentioned a couple of posts above this.

 

[Bob Myers]

New computer to run OneCNC XR5 pro

Bob:

You might find the above link useful.

It's a machinist's forum and they are talking about what type of PC is needed to run ONECNC XR5 Pro.

Looks like they generally feel an $800 to $1000 type PC with a mid to upper level i5 or i7 is what is needed. Some talk of SSDs, but they aren't needed.

You might join that forum and give them the specifics of your situation.

I am a member there, had read that thread already with thoughts of 2 guys dueling with pistols the way they were carrying on. However, reading it again, this time with some understanding that I have gleaned from this thread I can see what their big chest thumping session was about. Even the bestest fastest stuff they were touting 9 months ago has been supered by something else today.
I had looked at an off shelf Dell basically exactly as the OP had shown and bought but thought I could get away cheaper. Not happening though

 

[Bob Myers]

For 650, what would you prefer:

1: find someone in your town to do a custom build for that amount?

2: buy an already assembled machine over the internet? (Dell, HP, etc)

3: buy an already assembled machine locally (Best Buy, Costco, etc)

You can buy a pretty strong 64 bit machine with an i5-4590 or 4690 for 650 online. It would have Windows pre-installed.

Here's an example, just an example:

Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more - Newegg.com

I'm not sure what level of video card you would need for machinist work. The built in graphics on Intel CPUs might be enough, at least temporarily. That's probably an area you need to research.

Look at the machinist's forum link I mentioned a couple of posts above this.

I found a guy locally, actually an old friend, gave him the parameters I received here, and ask what it would take for him to build it. He has Church bus duty tonight but will price it out tomorrow for me. From what I described he guessed 650, we'll see

 

[ignatzatsonic]

I found a guy locally, actually an old friend, gave him the parameters I received here, and ask what it would take for him to build it. He has Church bus duty tonight but will price it out tomorrow for me. From what I described he guessed 650, we'll see

If you trust him and he's competent, that's probably the way I'd go.

He may not be cheaper than elsewhere, but would have advantages such as:

1: you should have much more control over the individual parts.

2: you shouldn't have to buy anything you DON'T need, such as another keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. You can spend the money exactly where it's needed.

3: maybe better support from him if something goes wrong.

You will probably have to buy another copy of Windows unless you already have a "retail" version. Most likely he will be able to supply an "OEM" version of Windows, which would be forever tied to the motherboard on the new PC. If you later on changed motherboards, you'd have to buy another copy of Windows.

You might consider Windows 8.1 if the price is about the same.

Let us know what parts he suggests, including details--brand names, model numbers, etc.

 

[Bob Myers]

does w8 not marry itself to the motherboard like 7 does?

 

[Layback Bear]

Yes W-8 also does that unless you buy a Retail Version.

A Retail Version can be move from one compute (motherboard) to another computer as long as it is only install on one computer at a time.

Window 8 also does not have a COA sticker.

 

[AddRAM]

You buy retail (which you won`t find) you can use it on any computer you want,1 pc at a time.

You buy oem (which you will get) and your motherboard dies and you have to buy another, the code should work again no problem, if not you just use the automated phone activation.

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - Operating Systems - Newegg.com

You said you`re gonna transfer the hard drive, so there`s nothing to worry about.

The computer that was linked will do what you want, but it doesn`t even list a video card, which in my opinion is one of your biggest concerns, workstation graphics cards are crazy expensive.

 

[Layback Bear]

I have had to RMA a motherboard with the exact motherboard and all I did was give Microsoft a call.

If you put a completely different motherboard in you might have a problem. It will be up to Microsoft discretion when you call.

Reading this should be helpful.

OEM system builder licensing