You will upgrade to Windows 10: Inside Microsoft's strong-arm upgrade

The (legal) data mining of millions and millions of users is a huge amount of potential revenue. Since each W10 user agreed to the EULA, all extracted information is the property of MS and theirs to peddle as they wish. That alone should be enough to send one screaming into the night over W10.
 

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Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit SP1i5-2320 @3.00 GHz6GBNVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
ASUS
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit SP1
CPU
i5-2320 @3.00 GHz
Memory
6GB
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer S200HQL 19.5 LED
Screen Resolution
1280 x 800 (1900 x 900 max)
Hard Drives
Drive 1: 1 TB SATA internal: C drive
Drive 2: 250 GB SATA internal: User Data Backup
Drive 3: 500 GB SATA USB: Full System Backup 1, Father
Drive 4: 500 GB SATA USB: Full System Backup 2, Son
Drive 5: 40 GB IDE USB: Kindle, ASUS Tabl
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ASUS KB34211
Mouse
Logitech m325 cordless
Internet Speed
27Mb down, 3 Mb up cable modem w/Netgear R6400 WiFi
Antivirus
NIS, Spybot S&D, CCleaner, Malwarebytes, MSERT, MRT
Browser
FF v44.0.2;IE11 v11.0.9600.18015,uv11.0.23;Chrome v44.0.2403
Other Info
FF has AdBlockPlus and Ghostery plugins,
That may become basis of a class action suit
 

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Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops
OS
Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
CPU
from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
Monitor(s) Displays
2x HP w2207
Hard Drives
5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals
Keyboard
with trackball - no mices
Mouse
Trackball mice
Internet Speed
DSL 6000
I'm glad I was waiting for Skylake-e instead of upgrading to Skylake. If I had built a Skylake machine, then told after I built it that I would be forced to upgrade to Win 10 in 18 months to be able to keep using the new features, I would be suing M$py!

I'm just flabbergasted that M$py has become so draconian in such a short period of time. I thought Ballsmore (sic) was bad but Nutella (sic) makes himself look like a sweet, intelligent guy.
 

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Win 7 Ultimate 64 bitIntel i7-3930KKingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modul...MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2...
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
Case
Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
Cooling
Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
Keyboard
Logitech G510s
Mouse
Logitech M525 (two in use)
Internet Speed
=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
Antivirus
AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
Browser
IE11
Other Info
LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
Not so sure about that,
I've not downloaded any win-10 related updates and I still came up with this listing
Code:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\GWX\Reservation
I thought that was related to local user not machine :/

I have no idea where the BT folder would be but I'm very sure no updates have slipped though
Anything that slipped by was included in some other update.
Didn't work for me either.
I discovered a hidden BT folder on my OS partition (a few weeks ago) on my PC.

I have the Windows Update service totally disabled now.

Once people have posted the info about the latest MS malware updates, I re-enable the Windows Update service and download any real updates that have been released.

Despite the claims of the W10 fan boys and shills (on TenForums, for example) it is fairly obvious that MS is collecting more data than they claim and it is selling it to the highest bidder.

That's why they are trying to force everyone to use W10 and why they released a telemetry update for an OS they claim:

  • They don't support anymore
  • Is so poorly written that it is too dangerous to use anymore

Well this is my current read out
So everything but the upgrading part which I was thinking of downloading this I passed when it was released in I guess July or August :/
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3050265
View attachment 380287
 
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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom assembled by me :}
OS
Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
CPU
i7-5930K 2nd i9-9940x both water blocked VRM's too
Motherboard
ASUS SABERTOOTH X99 2nd ASUS x299 Apex
Memory
Trident-z 3200C14 2nd Trident-z 3600C16
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA 1080ti ftw3 2nd Titan Xp both water blocked
Sound Card
Built-in Realtek
Monitor(s) Displays
1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080 144Hz
Hard Drives
2-Samsung M.2 Evo & Evo Plus
2-Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD's/ 3-2.5 W.D. Black 1tb-&3-1tb/3-3.5 WD Black 1tb hdd's
PSU
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000-P2 2nd 1200-P2
Case
2-Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Black ATX Mid Tower
Cooling
Custom water loops
Keyboard
Logitech G710+/ 2nd Logitech G910
Mouse
2-RedDragon M901 Perdition 16400 dpi Gaming mouse = wired
Internet Speed
Comcast Ping 19ms 89.31mbps download speed 6.12mbps upload
Antivirus
Malwarebytes Pro/ Superantispyware Pro
Browser
FireFox & Pale moon
Other Info
2nd ASUS X299 Apex/Intel i9-9940x with Custom water loop/7H-Prem-x64/Corsair 450D case/Ram Trident-z 3600C16 4x8gb / Samsung970Evo plus 500gb SSD/Dual ssd EZ swap evo/PSU EVGA SuperNova 1200w-P2 80+Platinum/GPU Titan Xp /8-ML-140 on push-pull on 2-280GTX rads
And mine...
 

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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Servi...Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz8 GB DDR3Intel(R) HD Graphics
Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz
Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 1425
Memory
8 GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Intel(R) HD Graphics
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Builtin
Screen Resolution
1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
Hard Drives
250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
2TB Seagate GoFlex USB 2 Drive
1TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive
1.5TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive (Samsung)
2TB WD MyBook Live NAS.
Mouse
Logitech Anywhere MX
Internet Speed
152 Mbs download 10 Mbs upload
Antivirus
Norton 360
Browser
Chrome
Yep the Microsoft kb i posted didn't work but thankfully I used Shawn's disable os upgrades and it did work :party:
Mine now looks like your Wolfgang :)
Used it on my laptop too ;)
Thanks Shawn ;)
 

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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom assembled by me :}
OS
Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
CPU
i7-5930K 2nd i9-9940x both water blocked VRM's too
Motherboard
ASUS SABERTOOTH X99 2nd ASUS x299 Apex
Memory
Trident-z 3200C14 2nd Trident-z 3600C16
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA 1080ti ftw3 2nd Titan Xp both water blocked
Sound Card
Built-in Realtek
Monitor(s) Displays
1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080 144Hz
Hard Drives
2-Samsung M.2 Evo & Evo Plus
2-Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD's/ 3-2.5 W.D. Black 1tb-&3-1tb/3-3.5 WD Black 1tb hdd's
PSU
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000-P2 2nd 1200-P2
Case
2-Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Black ATX Mid Tower
Cooling
Custom water loops
Keyboard
Logitech G710+/ 2nd Logitech G910
Mouse
2-RedDragon M901 Perdition 16400 dpi Gaming mouse = wired
Internet Speed
Comcast Ping 19ms 89.31mbps download speed 6.12mbps upload
Antivirus
Malwarebytes Pro/ Superantispyware Pro
Browser
FireFox & Pale moon
Other Info
2nd ASUS X299 Apex/Intel i9-9940x with Custom water loop/7H-Prem-x64/Corsair 450D case/Ram Trident-z 3600C16 4x8gb / Samsung970Evo plus 500gb SSD/Dual ssd EZ swap evo/PSU EVGA SuperNova 1200w-P2 80+Platinum/GPU Titan Xp /8-ML-140 on push-pull on 2-280GTX rads
Actually Oems could get on there case for not supporting windows 7 or 8.1 reason because I looked online, there is still have tons of refurbished systems with 7 or 8.1 that can't be upgrade to windows 10. I am surprised some of those could even run windows 7 or windows 7 pro.
 

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W10 32 bit, XUbuntu 18.xx 64 bitIntel(R) Celeron(R) CPU G1620T @ 2.40GHz, 240...4GBIntel HD graphics
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell All in one Inspiron 2020
OS
W10 32 bit, XUbuntu 18.xx 64 bit
CPU
Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU G1620T @ 2.40GHz, 2400 Mhz
Motherboard
Dell
Memory
4GB
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD graphics
Sound Card
High Definition Audio Device
Monitor(s) Displays
20 inch Screen
Screen Resolution
W7=1280 x 720 & Linux Mint Xfce=1360 x 768
Hard Drives
500 GB hard drive
Keyboard
Usb
Mouse
Usb
Internet Speed
High-Speed
Antivirus
MSE
Browser
Main Browser Firefox
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I have done a clean install of Windows 7 using Dell re-installation disk (Dell sent me one). I also use Free Macrium reflect backup and restore.
If nothing the machines would be exported to other countries
Obviously they were flawed anyway being refurbished... left over low powered junk.

About what M$ did with it slate line :)
 

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom assembled by me :}
OS
Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
CPU
i7-5930K 2nd i9-9940x both water blocked VRM's too
Motherboard
ASUS SABERTOOTH X99 2nd ASUS x299 Apex
Memory
Trident-z 3200C14 2nd Trident-z 3600C16
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EVGA 1080ti ftw3 2nd Titan Xp both water blocked
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Built-in Realtek
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1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080 144Hz
Hard Drives
2-Samsung M.2 Evo & Evo Plus
2-Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD's/ 3-2.5 W.D. Black 1tb-&3-1tb/3-3.5 WD Black 1tb hdd's
PSU
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000-P2 2nd 1200-P2
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2-Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Black ATX Mid Tower
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Custom water loops
Keyboard
Logitech G710+/ 2nd Logitech G910
Mouse
2-RedDragon M901 Perdition 16400 dpi Gaming mouse = wired
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Comcast Ping 19ms 89.31mbps download speed 6.12mbps upload
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Malwarebytes Pro/ Superantispyware Pro
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FireFox & Pale moon
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2nd ASUS X299 Apex/Intel i9-9940x with Custom water loop/7H-Prem-x64/Corsair 450D case/Ram Trident-z 3600C16 4x8gb / Samsung970Evo plus 500gb SSD/Dual ssd EZ swap evo/PSU EVGA SuperNova 1200w-P2 80+Platinum/GPU Titan Xp /8-ML-140 on push-pull on 2-280GTX rads
It's just speculation as to MS's part in the big push of Ten, but data mining is big business nowadays. And a lot of places are jumping on the bandwagon. When your software runs on 95% (+/- a couple points) of computers all over the world, you have a huge potential for income from that gathered info. You've seen reports of the amount of data gathered by Google alone. Imagine having many, many more times that amount of data just because of the sheer volume MS OS's out there. And unlike Google which only gathers info when you use their services or apps, 10 is gathering all the time, from the moment you turn your PC on to the minute it shuts down.

OS's don't make money anymore according to recent reports, & in the wake of Apple giving away their latest OS upgrade away for free, other avenues of income need to be sought out. Although I can't see why Apples move would panic MS as they still sell their share of OS's as well as apps. As I said, they have the Lions share of the business.

And it could very well happen down the road, that some legalese in the EULA will give them the right to either bombard you with "user specific" ads, of even charge for patches. Or, you may have to pay a fee NOT to see ads.

So for now it'll be interesting to see what happens down the road if/when the reason for the push is revealed. One thing I do not appreciate is having to spend time pouring over updates on patch Tue. As if it wasn't bad enough in the past 6+ months of buggy updates to watch out for, now there's another thing to try & avoid.

From appearances, having been found out & faced with a lot of people now deciding to stay with their 7 & 8 systems due to "spying issues" with 10, MS decided "If you can't win em over, then alter the already in place OS so it does the same thing 10 is doing now." Add telemetry trackers to everything, and they won't be missing out on data from 7 & 8 users.

I can accept that an OS may need data input from users, especially in the early stages of development. That's a given. If you're a beta tester, expect a bit of monitoring in most instances. And even after development, perhaps some monitoring may be present, but in this instance, the right thing to do would be to offer an off switch for those who do not wish to participate. But the only true off switch I've seen for 10 is to use a 3rd party app. And the latest actions, an almost panicked approach to pushing upgrades on those not wanting one, suggest something is afoot.

Interestingly, in the late 90's, Intel announced that it would fit it's chips with a Unique Identifier Number, making it easier for customers to interact with stores & verify their identities. Privacy advocates did not agree & pointed out that these UID's could be used to exploit or track peoples surfing habits. Bowing to public outcry's and threats of boycotts, Intel sacked the program. Two months after Intel's announcement, MS, perhaps also fearing repercussions, publicly announced that it would change the features on it's Win 98 OS, which was initially going to do the same thing that the Intel processors were to do.

Yes, at one point, MS did listen to people....
 

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Win 7 32 Home Premium, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1,...Intel Core 2 Duo 2.93GHzNot much with my ADHDATI Radeon HD 4350
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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell Hell oh Well
OS
Win 7 32 Home Premium, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1, Win 10
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.93GHz
Memory
Not much with my ADHD
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon HD 4350
Monitor(s) Displays
24" HDTV/Monitor
Screen Resolution
Blurry after a Scotch or 2
Hard Drives
1 HDD 250 GB, 1 HDD 1 TB, 3 - 1 TB Externals
Case
Don't get on my case...man :D
Cooling
I have an Air Conditioner & Diet Pepsi
Keyboard
Saitek Cyborg
Mouse
10 yr old MS optical mouse that still works
Internet Speed
Never fast enough
Antivirus
Various
Browser
Various
Yep the Microsoft kb i posted didn't work but thankfully I used Shawn's disable os upgrades and it did work :party:
Mine now looks like your Wolfgang :)
Used it on my laptop too ;)
Thanks Shawn ;)

Your post showing the GWX Control Panel appears to be an older version. The latest is v1.7.1.0 released 18 January 2016.
 

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1. Windows 7 Home Premium sp1 - 64bit 2. Wind...1. AMD Phenom II x2 511 3.4GHz 2. Intel i7-47...1. 5 GB - DDR3 2. 8GB DDR3-1600MHzIntegrated 1. ATI Radeon 4200 2. Intel HD Gra...
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
1. HP p6733w Desktop 2. HP Envy 700-515xt Desktop
OS
1. Windows 7 Home Premium sp1 - 64bit 2. Windows 7 Pro sp1 - 64bit
CPU
1. AMD Phenom II x2 511 3.4GHz 2. Intel i7-4790 Quad 4.0GHz
Motherboard
1. N-Alvorix-RS880-uATX 2. Kaili2
Memory
1. 5 GB - DDR3 2. 8GB DDR3-1600MHz
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated 1. ATI Radeon 4200 2. Intel HD Graphics 4600
Sound Card
1. Realtek High Definition Audio 2. Realtek (Neutered Beats)
Monitor(s) Displays
1. Acer V193L 2. HP 2311 Series Wide LCD
Screen Resolution
1. 1280 x 1024 2. 1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
1. 750 GB - 7200 RPM SATA 2. 1TB 7200 RPM SATA
PSU
1. 250w 2. 300w
Cooling
Stock
Keyboard
Logitech USB keyboard
Mouse
Logitech USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
1.0 - 2.0 mbps
Antivirus
Eset Smart Security v9.0.349.0
Browser
Pale Moon
Yea you can connect most of the poor performance of outlook.com to it's animated adds
M$'s response is always upgrade to a paid for version
This will continue in all of the build in apps in win-10

Yep the Microsoft kb i posted didn't work but thankfully I used Shawn's disable os upgrades and it did work
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Mine now looks like your Wolfgang
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Used it on my laptop too
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Thanks Shawn
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Your post showing the GWX Control Panel appears to be an older version. The latest is v1.7.1.0 released 18 January 2016.

Thanks I never noticed that :)
 

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PC/Desktop
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Custom assembled by me :}
OS
Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
CPU
i7-5930K 2nd i9-9940x both water blocked VRM's too
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ASUS SABERTOOTH X99 2nd ASUS x299 Apex
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Trident-z 3200C14 2nd Trident-z 3600C16
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EVGA 1080ti ftw3 2nd Titan Xp both water blocked
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Built-in Realtek
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1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
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1920 x 1080 144Hz
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2-Samsung M.2 Evo & Evo Plus
2-Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD's/ 3-2.5 W.D. Black 1tb-&3-1tb/3-3.5 WD Black 1tb hdd's
PSU
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000-P2 2nd 1200-P2
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2-Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Black ATX Mid Tower
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Custom water loops
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Logitech G710+/ 2nd Logitech G910
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2-RedDragon M901 Perdition 16400 dpi Gaming mouse = wired
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Comcast Ping 19ms 89.31mbps download speed 6.12mbps upload
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Malwarebytes Pro/ Superantispyware Pro
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FireFox & Pale moon
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You're welcome.
 
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Logitech USB optical mouse
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Pale Moon
Warning: I can't write short messages

What's at the end of the tunnel when the one year mark is met?I can't imagine the the purchase of apps is what's going to bring home the bacon, but I could be wrong.

They're pushing the one-year time frame, I think, because that is the free "upgrade" period for 7 and 8, and they know that if they can't get us to do it for free, they surely won't be able to get us to pay $100 plus for the same privilege. If there is still a good bunch of 7 users around then, MS is really in a bind-- do they extend their free "upgrade" period, basically begging people to PLEASE take their free upgrade that they have rejected for an entire year... thus tipping Microsoft's hand and showing that their entire upgrade push was more about their desperate desire to get people on 10 than anything else?

It will be fascinating to see how this plays out.

Windows 8 was a failure in the marketplace because its dual platform design ended up serving neither as well as respective dedicated operating systems would have. 10 was supposed to be the OS that 8 "should have been," but the one feature that doomed 8 (being neither a dedicated desktop OS nor a dedicated mobile OS) is still very much in evidence. Of course, Microsoft being what it is now, has found myriad new ways to alienate its users that have nothing to do with the already-rejected "one OS to rule them all" idea, like the adware, spying, forced updates, among others.

Microsoft has no robust app market that compares to that of Apple or Google, and people expect that when buying a smart phone or tablet. As long as the market share of Windows mobile devices is tiny, devs won't be all that motivated to write for that platform, which means that most people looking for a new mobile device will (as has been the custom for years) completely overlook MS and think of it in terms of either iOS or Android. Microsoft is way behind in building a decent app library, and they think they have only one shot at it... to use their near monopoly on the declining PC market while it still matters to pole-vault them into the same league as their competitors.

If MS can convince app developers that they have a built-in market of customers even without Windows mobile devices amounting to anything significant in market share, then those devs may begin writing apps, which makes the Windows mobile devices more attractive because of the bigger app market and because PC users who buy into the "app" melee can more easily be persuaded to keep using those apps on the go on their brand new mobile device.

That's the pitch MS is making to devs... get two for the price of one! Make a universal Windows app and access the desktop market and the mobile market at the same time? How could you lose?

That only works, though, if the Windows mobile market exceeds the size of the Windows market that can't use the Windows apps. In that case, the best bet for "two for the price of one" is to make any app a Win32 program and cover the entire market, perhaps extending as far down as Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and 10. As long as the "prior versions" Windows market is bigger than the Windows mobile market, it will be smarter for software developers to write in native Win32 and ignore Windows "apps."

Microsoft threw us (the traditional mouse & keyboard PC users) under the bus pretty hard to try to force their way into the mobile app market, and as many prognosticators have told us that in the face of the failure of Windows 8, Windows 10 is a "make or break" product whose success (or lack thereof) will decide whether MS continues on as it has been or becomes the next former juggernaut that is now little more than a punch line, like AOL or Microsoft's own IE. They've decided the goodwill and trust of their users (many of whom have been loyal Windows users for 25+ years) is expendable; the mission of getting people into the market for "apps" is the only thing that matters. Unhappy users who begrudgingly adopt 10 is a win; happy users that stick with 7 is a loss. Customer satisfaction is not an end unto itself, but is instead only useful as far as it can be leveraged to get people into the "app" market. That's the sole metric by which anything is judged in terms of Windows, and MS has bet the farm on it. They are all in on that strategy.

I'm ready to stick with 7 for four more years. Why not? It's as close to an ideal OS as MS has ever produced, by my standards. 10 has a ton I don't want and nothing I do (DirectX12 would be nice, but right now, it is of no benefit). Four years is a very long time-- Microsoft's gambit of sacrificing all of their goodwill (such that it was) in the name of building an app market will almost certainly have succeeded or failed by then. It seems destined to fail, IMO... at the present time, Windows 10, despite being a free upgrade for non-enterprise users of 7 and 8 that has been available for six months, has only just exceeded the OS market share of Windows XP, while still lagging behind Windows 8 (!) and not even coming close to Windows 7.

Microsoft won't get me to upgrade before I am ready. I've been screening updates before accepting them (one by one) since there were Windows Updates (it surprises me that so many computer-savvy people don't do this-- even before MS gave me a reason to believe they would stoop to abusing the update process as they have recently, it just struck me as a no-brainer to pick and choose what is installed on MY computer rather than letting Microsoft do it), so I never saw the GWX adware or any of the other things we've been reading about. The telemetry updates never made it onto my puters either, and neither did any of the "this update makes it easier to upgrade to the latest version of Windows" things. It's just business as usual here... smooth Windows 7 sailing, same as always. Even if they did slip in a bit of "update" malware that I did not catch (like a trojan within a legitimate security update that I would accept), I keep meticulous backups, and I would not hesitate to roll it back.

Funny thing about human nature-- people hate being told what to do. The more they try to force 10, the more I want to resist it. Windows 10, you shall not pass!
 

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self built
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Windows 8.1 x64 Pro and Linux Mint Cinnamon 18.3 (dual boot)
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Asus P8P67 Deluxe 3.0
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It's just speculation as to MS's part in the big push of Ten, but data mining is big business nowadays. And a lot of places are jumping on the bandwagon. When your software runs on 95% (+/- a couple points) of computers all over the world, you have a huge potential for income from that gathered info. You've seen reports of the amount of data gathered by Google alone. Imagine having many, many more times that amount of data just because of the sheer volume MS OS's out there. And unlike Google which only gathers info when you use their services or apps, 10 is gathering all the time, from the moment you turn your PC on to the minute it shuts down.
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You make it sound like a wet dream for intelligence agencies with three letters acronyms, maybe that's why the government does not complain about W10's "telemetry"...
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OS's don't make money anymore according to recent reports, & in the wake of Apple giving away their latest OS upgrade away for free, other avenues of income need to be sought out. Although I can't see why Apples move would panic MS as they still sell their share of OS's as well as apps. As I said, they have the Lions share of the business.

Apple's OS/iOS updates had been free for a long time, this is nothing new...

And it could very well happen down the road, that some legalese in the EULA will give them the right to either bombard you with "user specific" ads, of even charge for patches. Or, you may have to pay a fee NOT to see ads.

So for now it'll be interesting to see what happens down the road if/when the reason for the push is revealed. One thing I do not appreciate is having to spend time pouring over updates on patch Tue. As if it wasn't bad enough in the past 6+ months of buggy updates to watch out for, now there's another thing to try & avoid.

From appearances, having been found out & faced with a lot of people now deciding to stay with their 7 & 8 systems due to "spying issues" with 10, MS decided "If you can't win em over, then alter the already in place OS so it does the same thing 10 is doing now." Add telemetry trackers to everything, and they won't be missing out on data from 7 & 8 users.

I can accept that an OS may need data input from users, especially in the early stages of development. That's a given. If you're a beta tester, expect a bit of monitoring in most instances. And even after development, perhaps some monitoring may be present, but in this instance, the right thing to do would be to offer an off switch for those who do not wish to participate. But the only true off switch I've seen for 10 is to use a 3rd party app. And the latest actions, an almost panicked approach to pushing upgrades on those not wanting one, suggest something is afoot.

Interestingly, in the late 90's, Intel announced that it would fit it's chips with a Unique Identifier Number, making it easier for customers to interact with stores & verify their identities. Privacy advocates did not agree & pointed out that these UID's could be used to exploit or track peoples surfing habits. Bowing to public outcry's and threats of boycotts, Intel sacked the program. Two months after Intel's announcement, MS, perhaps also fearing repercussions, publicly announced that it would change the features on it's Win 98 OS, which was initially going to do the same thing that the Intel processors were to do.

Yes, at one point, MS did listen to people....

That was so Windows Sevenish times, prior to W8.x... ;)

But I agree that it'll be interesting to see how W10 free giveaway plays out. The chances are that retrofitting previous versions of Windows and Office with "telemetry" will result in sufficient data mining and we'll have to pay for Windows 10 once the giveaway expires.
 

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Custom built at Home
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Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
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Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP5 TH
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Dell U2410 24"
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1 x Intel 520 240 GBs
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Thermaltake 850W
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Dell Multimedia keyboard
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People are moving to Linux more than ever before , MS must know they are destroying any decent reputation they had with people.

There are a ton of people who are so angered they will never deal with them again out of pure spite , nobody to blame but themselves though , thats for sure.
 

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Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Asus laptop U56E
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40GHz
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer Inc. U56E
Memory
6.00 GB
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Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000
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(1) High Definition Audio Device (2) High Definition Audio
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1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
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WDC WD6400BPVT-80HXZT3
I keep hearing about that move to Linux. But do we actually have facts and numbers.
 

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HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops
OS
Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
CPU
from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
Monitor(s) Displays
2x HP w2207
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5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals
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with trackball - no mices
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Trackball mice
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DSL 6000
I wouldn't even know where to look for #'s , all i know is every forum i have been on people are outraged at Microsoft's behavior and Linux is what the majority say they plan on moving to if they haven't moved already .

Most comments i see are from people who have either moved to Linux , or are staying with 7 as long as possible and then jumping to Linux or Mac , thats when you will see mass migration.
 

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Laptop
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Asus laptop U56E
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40GHz
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer Inc. U56E
Memory
6.00 GB
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Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000
Sound Card
(1) High Definition Audio Device (2) High Definition Audio
Screen Resolution
1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
Hard Drives
WDC WD6400BPVT-80HXZT3
Not to forget that geeks like us influence family, friends, and others....M$ annoying and angering us is also hurting them because word of mouth also applies to computers as well I didn't love Windows 8 but I still recommended it for consumers. For years I considered Microsoft the good will OS company because of things like their willingness to extend XP support for FREE to all users long after they could have stopped. Windows allowing many more customizations unlike OSX, now I would sadly agree that M$ has stupidly thrown away all the goodwill they had with many users, and it will cost them far more dearly in the long run.
Isn't Bill Gates still on the BoD he should have used his pull and voiced his concern about the direction the company has taken, I doubt he really agrees with what has been going on over the years since Windows 8 arrived on scene.
 

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hp pavilion 6680t
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win 7 home premium 64 bit
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core i5 760
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iona (from MSI)
Memory
6 gb
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ati 5450
Sound Card
real tek 888
They count on the fact that there are not really any serious alternatives. Most people are scared of Linux (without reason) and then there is not much more - maybe OSX if you want to pay a premium.
 

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HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops
OS
Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
CPU
from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
Monitor(s) Displays
2x HP w2207
Hard Drives
5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals
Keyboard
with trackball - no mices
Mouse
Trackball mice
Internet Speed
DSL 6000
I don't think anybody "wants" to pay a premium but some probably will for a Mac , i agree Linux is scary at first , i use Mint along with Win 7 as i was told it's one of the easiest and similar to Windows so you have a feel for it more so than other distributions.

I was shocked just how many " comparing Linux to Win 10 " and "beginners guides to Linux" there are if you just google info on it.

Imo the word "Linux" sounds like you need to be an Einstein to figure it out , "Ubuntu" sounds overly complicated to me as well .

On the other hand getting past my screen saver to the log in screen is a major nightmare for me to deal with so i'm not the most qualified.
 

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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 ...Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40GHz6.00 GBIntel(R) HD Graphics 3000
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Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Asus laptop U56E
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40GHz
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer Inc. U56E
Memory
6.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000
Sound Card
(1) High Definition Audio Device (2) High Definition Audio
Screen Resolution
1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
Hard Drives
WDC WD6400BPVT-80HXZT3
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