Solved Are you serious right now?(Windows 10 forced)

[Brink]

I welcome any 100% undeniable proof showing it forced on you, and not from user error.

Do you have a clean Win7 machine handy? Go into WU's "Select updates to install" and uncheck "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586." Click OK.

Now click "Check for updates" on the left.

WU will tell you to "Upgrade to Windows 10"

Now, click on the link marked "Show all available updates." See how "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586" is checked?

That still only shows that you just need to uncheck the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update before installing the others.

I don't see how that's forced on you. I again refer you to the screenshots here.


If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums

 

[Layback Bear]

@ woodyleonhard

After you change the settings to your Windows 7 Updates, reboot and see if the changes stay as you want them.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I do agree Lady that many people don't watch what is going on with their system and let things happen or choose them to happen not knowing what they are doing. Yes, Microsoft just loves those kinds of customers.

Any information about computing is only a few ticks away on the internet if one wants to learn.
Those people don't seem to have a problem finding and using FaceBook, Tweeter ect.

All we can do is give guidance to those that want to learn. If those people just want to poke and go that was their choice.

We can't make people learn and gain knowledge. That is something they will have to choose.
Kind of like buying a new car. One is given a owners manual but no body can make them read it.

I learn new things most every day; only because I choose to.
I PM a member just today to ask some questions on Clean Install. He does more Clean Installs in one week than I do in a year. I wanted to learn and the answers I receive did help me with my questions.
I'm acting on what I learned as we speak.

Why anybody would think they can buy one of the most technical pieces of equipment known to mankind and think their is nothing to learn to operate it properly is be on me.

I agree; some people don't want to learn, are afraid to learn, or simply can't learn but that doesn't give anyone, including MS, the right to take advantage of them.

Many people buy and/or operate computers because they have to in order to keep up in the modern day world. Automobiles require only a basic amount of knowledge to operate but quite a bit of skill to repair and maintain, yet people still buy them.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I welcome any 100% undeniable proof showing it forced on you, and not from user error.

Do you have a clean Win7 machine handy? Go into WU's "Select updates to install" and uncheck "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586." Click OK.

Now click "Check for updates" on the left.

WU will tell you to "Upgrade to Windows 10"

Now, click on the link marked "Show all available updates." See how "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586" is checked?

That still only shows that you just need to uncheck the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update before installing the others.

I don't see how that's forced on you. I again refer you to the screenshots here.


If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums

And how are the average computer users of the world—the Ma and Pa kettles or Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack; in other words, the vast majority of computer users—supposed to know all that?

 

[Brink]

Do you have a clean Win7 machine handy? Go into WU's "Select updates to install" and uncheck "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586." Click OK.

Now click "Check for updates" on the left.

WU will tell you to "Upgrade to Windows 10"

Now, click on the link marked "Show all available updates." See how "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586" is checked?

That still only shows that you just need to uncheck the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update before installing the others.

I don't see how that's forced on you. I again refer you to the screenshots here.


If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums

And how are the average computer users of the world—the Ma and Pa kettles or Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack; in other words, the vast majority of computer users—supposed to know all that?

I agree that it would be better to have it unchecked by default.

However, reading what it says would be a good start to know what your doing before doing it. It'll then just be a matter of unchecking what you don't want to install.

This would of course only be an issue if they manually checked for and installed updates though since Windows does not automatically install "optional" updates.

 

[whs]

Ad LF, That is a problem. There is a big void with the average user as far as system knowledge is concerned. If everything works well, they can get by. But as soon as there is an irregularity, these poor souls are lost. I guess that's where we come in. If it were all smooth sailing, we would be out of a job, LOL.

 

[woodyleonhard]

If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums

Yes, I know about the KB 3080351 blocks. Josh Mayfield and I corrected Microsoft's documentation about it two months ago. You got the right registry entry, DisableOSUpgrade. Microsoft originally documented an entry, AllowOSUpgrade, that doesn't work.

The point is that, on Friday night, Microsoft performed an update overnight and installed Win10 on this machine, even though I had unchecked the entry, and didn't run anything.

That behavior changed on Saturday night, as documented in my reports.

 

[woodyleonhard]

Brink, I just noticed that you're an MVP. Have you been following the discussion on the MVP Yammer thread?

 

[z3r010]

I'm pretty sure he's a spammer here just to promote his articles - I can fix that

 

[whs]

Brink, I just noticed that you're an MVP. Have you been following the discussion on the MVP Yammer thread?

Can you link that thread. I would be interested what it says.

 

[woodyleonhard]

One of several threads is here, but you have to be in the MVP "Windows Product Discussion" group.

 

[woodyleonhard]

I'm pretty sure he's a spammer here just to promote his articles - I can fix that

Say the word and I'll disappear. No need to threaten. Can't believe you're an Admin and yet you treat people like this.

 

[woodyleonhard]

@ woodyleonhard

After you change the settings to your Windows 7 Updates, reboot and see if the changes stay as you want them.

Yes, they persist on reboot.

 

[z3r010]

I'm not the admin, I'm the owner and I've already fixed all the infoworld and your blog links.

 

[woodyleonhard]

I'm not the admin, I'm the owner and I've already fixed all the infoworld and your blog links.

Bye.

 

[whs]

Thanks for the link. I must have missed that one. The problem is that once you are an MVP, you get innondated with mails. Often I just delete them.

 

[whs]

I'm not the admin, I'm the owner and I've already fixed all the infoworld and your blog links.

Maybe you should change your badge because that says "Admin". New members will not know that you are the owner.

 

[z3r010]

Nah, the one I have is fine.

 

[AddRAM]

Man joins Forum, argues with everyone at Forum, Man leaves Forum, shocker

It used to be nice when people came with Windows 7 problems and we helped them solve those problems.

Hope those days return soon

 

[Brink]

If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums

Yes, I know about the KB 3080351 blocks. Josh Mayfield and I corrected Microsoft's documentation about it two months ago. You got the right registry entry, DisableOSUpgrade. Microsoft originally documented an entry, AllowOSUpgrade, that doesn't work.

The point is that, on Friday night, Microsoft performed an update overnight and installed Win10 on this machine, even though I had unchecked the entry, and didn't run anything.

That behavior changed on Saturday night, as documented in my reports.

The W7 that I've been referencing and using screenshots from is fully updated with the same updates you mentioned, and is still the same for just having to uncheck what you don't want to install.

Here's some more screenshots following what you suggested though.