Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

[johnny20]

It's clear now, thanks. I wonder if the roll up includes all these framework updates or not?

 

[Urthboundmisfit]

Yes it does... well all but a few anyway.

 

[ThrashZone]

If you want to call a cpu or ram getting devoured as watching a pot boil than yes.
Especially when it is obviously hung up with no network or disk activity.
This usually renders dual core machines useless.

I was referring to users that manually start the search process and periodically check the status of the search.

I've watched Resource Monitor and Process Monitor during the high CPU and high RAM WU issue... and you are right, there is almost no hard drive activity. There is some. Not enough to light up the hard drive light, but some. The same is true for network activity. Wireshark shows very little activity for hours... not enough to show in Task Manager. I was hoping to see the WU process try different MS servers, but I could not make much sense out of the traffic that was flowing.

Default activity is for windows to call home shortly after startup and the trait is nobody is home causing people to switch to Never check for updates.

But yea not many people would notice unless a machine is really slowed
When it's messed up 50% for dual core and 25% on a quad core "if lucky" it could be 100% usage where someone would really notice a slow down.

Most browsers like Chrome/ Firefox/ PaleMoon soak up the rest of the resources pretty darn fast with only 2-3-4-5... tabs open and the rest is soaked up by svchost

 

[lehnerus2000]

Default activity is for windows to call home shortly after startup and the trait is nobody is home causing people to switch to Never check for updates.

But yea not many people would notice unless a machine is really slowed
When it's messed up 50% for dual core and 25% on a quad core "if lucky" it could be 100% usage where someone would really notice a slow down.

Most browsers like Chrome/ Firefox/ PaleMoon soak up the rest of the resources pretty darn fast with only 2-3-4-5... tabs open and the rest is soaked up by svchost

On my main PC, the CPU and Motherboard temperatures jump by ~10 degrees C.
It took a few hours to get this month's updates.

 

[legacy7955]

If you want to call a cpu or ram getting devoured as watching a pot boil than yes.
Especially when it is obviously hung up with no network or disk activity.
This usually renders dual core machines useless.

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This is EXACTLY what happened to me!

I will say that installing the latest Windows Update Client version seems to help.

 

[Painter]

Followup to my question (post 110). It was not posted here, it was a private response.

The Disk Cleanup Wizard in W7 does not recognize the "SP2" (convenience rollup) with a separate plugin.

 

[BrianR1]

I have Win 7 home 64 bit and have had nothing but problems with updates. I also just did clean install on another drive, got through some of the updates and then poof, couldn't get the last 100. Do I need to remove all my current updates to install this rolling update package?

 

[SIW2]

It is an msu, so probably will just install those you haven't already got. Try it and see.Likely to take quite a while.

You could use simplix instead

 

[Urthboundmisfit]

You could use simplix instead

I just completed my first Simplix integration and am about to test it in a VM, very impressive... integrated 224 packages in 1:05 and another 10-15 mins to Optimize .WIM.

Did you fix the error you described here? Was it what I described in my reply to you here or other?
Also see my reply to johnny20 here:

What am I missing?

If you install the convienience rollup (I would in your position) first install KB3020369 (Servicing Stack update, prerequisite for rollup) and recommend installing KB2670838 (Platform Update, also a prerequisite for IE11) IE11, latest Cum Sec Update for IE11, KB3138612 (Latest Update Client) KB3145739 (updates Win32k.sys) & KB3153199 (Latest Kernel-Mode Drivers) BEFORE installing KB3125574.

HTH

Using the above sequence, be it installing or integrating, has helped me avoid the Windows Update woes that have plagued so many. 6-7 minutes first run WU on a fresh install/fresh test VM and subsequent checks take approx 2-4 minutes

HTH.

 

[Urthboundmisfit]

I just completed my first Simplix integration and am about to test it in a VM, very impressive... integrated 224 packages in 1:05 and another 10-15 mins to Optimize .WIM.

Very nice! Installed in VM flawlessy had to install just a few problem & non-integratable updates. It did not install the Windows 10 Telemetry & Upgrade updates as promised. Disk Cleanup resulted in slight problem by removing both KB3072630 & KB3139923... 3072630 was actually superseded by 3139923 but it removed both,as it turns out 3139923 actually issued a V-2 after the pack was created so alls well there. SFC /Scannow returned no integrity violations. Windows Update performed quickly & efficiently, no problem there.

All in all I was very impressed with Simplix and will begin using it regularly

 

[Zoloft]

Thanks for the Simplix heads up, helped me catch up on 6 months of updates I hadn't been doing due to all the failed/reverting issues and the crapware upgrade updates.

 

[pdsnickles]

Sorry I can't read this whole thread. Am hoping someone will answer these specific questions as I have limited net access.

First of all I want to tell people that when I THOUGHT Windows Update was hanging, it was not hanging at all. In fact it is working (for me, anyway) it is just SUPER SLOW. I would choose 30-40 mb worth of updates on my 2mbps connection and it would just sit there saying 0%. What I figured out today (after doing a bunch of FixIts and etc - who knows if any of them worked), is that Update IS working but it's so friggin slow it takes like 10 min to even Start, and then takes like 15 min to download 7mb worth of updates! Now I know 2mbps is a slow connection speed but Update is way slower than that! I mean it takes me like 30 min to download 7mb! So apparently WIndows servers are super but SUPER S - L - O - W !

Okay now 2 questions regarding this "convenience roll up" or whatever it's called:
First of all does the ROLL UP include the dreaded KB 3035583 which I am told will sneak Windows 10 in on you without your wanting it?

Secondly I downloaded the 476MB KB3125574 roll up but am I correct that just double clicking and installing it is not how this works? There are images and ISO's and stuff that I don't know about that has to be done in order to install this?

According to Windows Update service it seems at this point I only have 12 or so updates left to update now that my update is working (albeit super slow). Minus those I have hidden over the years...

So is it then easier for me just to keep - slowly - downloading/installing the updates rather than use this 476mb roll up file?

 

[Brds7t7]

Hello PDSNICKLES.

1) It doesn't contain KB3035583

2) Just double click to install. I would advise switching Windows Update to "Never check" before installing the update or it might hang. And you need to install the servicing stack update FIRST or the convenience rollup won't install. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020369

Hope that helps?

 

[Urthboundmisfit]

Hello PDSNICKLES.

1) ...I would advise switching Windows Update to "Never check" before installing the update or it might hang...It doesn't contain KB3035583

2) ... And you need to install the servicing stack update FIRST or the convenience rollup won't install.

Hope that helps?

To expand upon Brds7t7's answer:

1)
KB3125574 does not include Win 10 Telemetry KB's 2952664, 3021917 & 3033583;
KB3125574 does include KB's Win 10 Telemetry KB's3068708, 3075249 & 3080149.

2)
I also recommend installing/ check if already installed : KB3020369 (Svc Stack update, prerequisite), KB2670838 (Platform Update, prereq for IE11) IE11, KB3154070 (IE11 Cum Sec Update)KB3138612 (Latest WU Client) KB3145739 & KB3153199 (Latest Kernel-Mode Drivers) BEFORE you install KB3125574.

HTH

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Hello PDSNICKLES.

1) ...I would advise switching Windows Update to "Never check" before installing the update or it might hang...It doesn't contain KB3035583

2) ... And you need to install the servicing stack update FIRST or the convenience rollup won't install.

Hope that helps?

To expand upon Brds7t7's answer:

1)
KB3125574 does not include Win 10 Telemetry KB's 2952664, 3021917 & 3033583;
KB3125574 does include KB's Win 10 Telemetry KB's3068708, 3075249 & 3080149.

2)
I also recommend installing/ check if already installed : KB3020369 (Svc Stack update, prerequisite), KB2670838 (Platform Update, prereq for IE11) IE11, KB3154070 (IE11 Cum Sec Update)KB3138612 (Latest WU Client) KB3145739 & KB3153199 (Latest Kernel-Mode Drivers) BEFORE you install KB3125574.

HTH

The fact that the rollup contains some telemetry updates is enough for me to reject it. Thank you for clarifying that.

 

[Urthboundmisfit]

The fact that the rollup contains some telemetry updates is enough for me to reject it. Thank you for clarifying that.

The telemetry tasks they (3 KBs) do include can easily be disabled in Task Manager FWIW

Installing Rollup & running subsequent Disk Cleanup/Windows Update Cleanup reduced # of installed updates listed from 227 pre-rollup to 67 post rollup and reclaimed about 2.5-3gb of disk space on my Win 7 Pro x64 (No Office) "Live System".

 

[torchwood]

sfc corrupt

Also look at this thread,
SFC corrupted
http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/396670-convenience-rollup-breaks-sfc.html

Roy

 

[DavidE]

Is there any reason to use this update if a person has a fully (current) updated system ?
To me it seems like it is for clean installs, or systems that are not up to date with Windows Updates.

 

[groze]

Hello PDSNICKLES.

1) ...I would advise switching Windows Update to "Never check" before installing the update or it might hang...It doesn't contain KB3035583

2) ... And you need to install the servicing stack update FIRST or the convenience rollup won't install.

Hope that helps?

To expand upon Brds7t7's answer:

1)
KB3125574 does not include Win 10 Telemetry KB's 2952664, 3021917 & 3033583;
KB3125574 does include KB's Win 10 Telemetry KB's3068708, 3075249 & 3080149.

2)
I also recommend installing/ check if already installed : KB3020369 (Svc Stack update, prerequisite), KB2670838 (Platform Update, prereq for IE11) IE11, KB3154070 (IE11 Cum Sec Update)KB3138612 (Latest WU Client) KB3145739 & KB3153199 (Latest Kernel-Mode Drivers) BEFORE you install KB3125574.

HTH

The fact that the rollup contains some telemetry updates is enough for me to reject it. Thank you for clarifying that.

Lady, can those KB telemetry updates can be uninstalled via powershell? It would save a lot of people work when doing a clean install.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

To expand upon Brds7t7's answer:

1)
KB3125574 does not include Win 10 Telemetry KB's 2952664, 3021917 & 3033583;
KB3125574 does include KB's Win 10 Telemetry KB's3068708, 3075249 & 3080149.

2)
I also recommend installing/ check if already installed : KB3020369 (Svc Stack update, prerequisite), KB2670838 (Platform Update, prereq for IE11) IE11, KB3154070 (IE11 Cum Sec Update)KB3138612 (Latest WU Client) KB3145739 & KB3153199 (Latest Kernel-Mode Drivers) BEFORE you install KB3125574.

HTH

The fact that the rollup contains some telemetry updates is enough for me to reject it. Thank you for clarifying that.

Lady, can those KB telemetry updates can be uninstalled via powershell? It would save a lot of people work when doing a clean install.

Darned if I know! Heck, I don't even know what to look for to disable them in the task scheduler.