Clone HDD to SSD, is it a problem.

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Today I went to buy an SSD to clone my mechanical HDD onto the SSD.
Sales assistant told me to never clone HDD to SSD because Windows will be much slower than a direct install onto an SSD.

Is this true ?

At Macrium forum how to clone a HHd to an SSD (I think Gork is the/a developer) implies otherwise.
- granted his post is for v5 in 2013

I am hoping to use the SSD as a clone backup and if necessary (I don't like when !), clone the trashed HDD from the SSD

Informed comments appreciated :)

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UPDATE
Lady Fitzgerald's post #2 is the best overview of cloning, imaging and backups, I have read
She has given me the courage to jump in ... confessions of a 71 yr old reptile
 
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The sales assistant was correct to a small degree. However, that can be true of cloning from any drive to another drive, be it HDD to SSD or HDD to HDD. The reason is Windows installations will usually slow down over time due to repeated tweaking and modifications. A clean reinstallation will often speed things up.

However, if one's window installation is working just fine, then cloning it from an HDD to an SSD will not result in a slower installation of Windows compared to a clean installation. If upgrading an HDD in a laptop or a commercially built desktop, getting drivers for a reinstallation could be a chore. Also, a clean reinstall can be a lot of work, especially if one has a lot of programs or has heavily customized windows. That's when cloning makes more sense when upgrading from an HDD to an SSD.

I used Macrium Reflect to clone the HDDs in two notebooks to SSDs without any problems at all. With each notebook, I plugged the SSD into a USB dock, ran MR, ejected the SSD when MR was finished and removed it from the dock, then shut down the computer and swapped out the HDD with the SSD. After rebooting, I had to reletter a partition, then everything was all hunkydory.

When making the clone, since a drive letter can exist only once ona computer, all the drive letters on the clone will be different. Don't let that bother you. When you swap out the drives the System Reserved and C: partitions will automagically revert to their original designations. If you have any other partitions on the drive, you can always change the drive letter back to the original one in Disk Management.

I don't know why you would want to use an SSD to backup an HDD. After cloning the HDD to the SSD, I would swap them out and use the HDD for the spare. The SSD will be amazingly faster than the HDD.

Also, cloning is not the most efficient way to backup a drive because you can have only one clone on the backup drive. Imaging is much more efficient. Because images are compressed, they take up less room on a backup drive and you can have more than one image on the backup drive (this allows you to go back to different points in time, much like System Restore does...when it works). That said, cloning does have the advantage that, if the drive in your computer croaks, you can swap out the the drive with the clone and be back up and running quickly. However, that also leaves you without a backup until you can make another one.

I only image the boot drive (which has the OS and programs only) in my desktop rig. I use a folder/file syncing program (FreeFileSync) to backup my data drives. While imaging and cloning are the only way to backup System files (OS and programs), they are too inefficient for backing up data since everything gets rewritten to the backup drive each time you update the backup. A folder/file syncing program, when set to mirror mode, will compare the data drive to the backup drive, then copy over any new or changed folders and files on the data drive to the backup drive and delete any file on the backup drive that are no longer on the data drive, resulting in what is essentially a clone. Since only new, changed, and deleted files are dealt with, backup updates are much faster.

I do things a little different on my notebooks. I only use my notebooks when I'm traveling and as a backup for when my desktop ring is down. Since any data in the data partition on the notebooks are also on my desktop rig (I can also download the data from my Carbonite account if I have a secure internet connection), I don't worry about backing up the data. Instead, I have two backup drives for each notebook. I keep a clone on one backup drive so, if the drive in the notebook dies completely, I can just pop it into the notebook and be up and running in a few minutes. The other backup drive has images of my System Reserved and C: partition (the data partition is unlikely to ever get messed up and, as stated before, I can retrieve the data from elsewhere if needs be) so I can restore them if they ever go wonky on me.
 
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Thank you Jeannie :)
... for your ...

*BRILLIANT EXPLANATION* for a lot of concerns I have about Cloning and Imaging
- but was too embarrassed to ask

Copied your full explanation into my Helpers -> Cloning folder ... and will be referring to it often while experimenting with cloning and imaging.

Your details about the use of Imaging compared to Cloning (rather than "versus") ... has cleared up numerous concerns and confusions I have had.

Jeannie you are a treasure :party:
 

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:(
Thank you Jeannie :)
... for your ...

*BRILLIANT EXPLANATION* for a lot of concerns I have about Cloning and Imaging
- but was too embarrassed to ask

Copied your full explanation into my Helpers -> Cloning folder ... and will be referring to it often while experimenting with cloning and imaging.

Your details about the use of Imaging compared to Cloning (rather than "versus") ... has cleared up numerous concerns and confusions I have had:party:.

Jeannie you are a treasure

Thank you. Pity I can't cash myself in. ;) Btw, much, if not most, of what I know about backups, etc. I learned here at Seven Forums so that thanks should include the folks here, some no longer with us :( (and some over at Overclock.net).
 

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For other readers of this thread...

I have purchased a new 500GB naked HDD for the laptop, to clone to ... and ...
Where I live (the worlds biggest coal port) is very wanting for good IT supplies ... an SSD also to clone too.
So its ebay for a decent quality SSD (there are some v.cheap SSDs around, but IMO a few dollars more is an investment)

My laptop (only 4 months old) crashed and now has a pristine Windows 7 PRO x64 installed. Unused so far, while I prepare for cloning and imaging.

A spare PC at hand to access the internet to do research (such as this thread) has been a boon for me
... thank you to my generous and patient wife.

I will be reporting back here with results ... so at this point I would prefer to not mark this thread as solved ...yet.
 

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Other than cleaning up my HDDs before cloning (which didn't long since they were already pretty clean), all I had to do was format the SSDs using Windows (I've formatted 25 SSDs and everyone had TRIM enabled and the alignment was correct everytime), then perform the clone. TRIM was already activated and alignment was correct.
 

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Other than cleaning up my HDDs before cloning (which didn't long since they were already pretty clean), all I had to do was format the SSDs using Windows (I've formatted 25 SSDs and everyone had TRIM enabled and the alignment was correct everytime), then perform the clone. TRIM was already activated and alignment was correct.
Where do I find TRIM setting ? In Macrium ? or is it automatic with with Windows formatting ?
Not having formatted a SSD (except for USB thumb drives) I am not aware of TRIM, other than guessing it has something to do with cloning an oversized C: partion onto a smaller SSD ??
Would this also apply to a system image ?

Thank you :)
 

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Where do I find TRIM setting ? In Macrium ? or is it automatic with with Windows formatting ?
Not having formatted a SSD (except for USB thumb drives) I am not aware of TRIM, other than guessing it has something to do with cloning an oversized C: partion onto a smaller SSD ??
Would this also apply to a system image ?

Thank you :)

The TRIM setting is automatic. TRIM is kinda sorta similar to garbage collection (it has noting to do with any Macrium Reflect functions). Before a cell can be written to, it has to be emptied, unlike an HDD sector that can be overwritten. Since erasing doesn't actually empty the cell, TRIM will automatically take care of that. The easiest way to see if TRIM is enabled is to install SSDLife Free. Besides giving you an idea how much life your SSD may have left, it will tell you if TRIM is enabled or not.

The easiest way to check if your SSD is properly aligned is to install AS SSD Benchmark (also free). If the value in the circle I drew in the picture below says OK, then your alignment is OK.

AS SSD.JPG
 

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Off topic (sort of ...
Jeannie, you are psychic. I suspect my wife's SSD might be on its last legs (3 yrs old) ... she gives it a beating with her video collages.
 

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CrystalDiskInfo will give you a good status summary of your SSDs and HDDs. For SSDs it will give a health score and also show if Trim is enabled.
Suggest the standard edition portable version.
http://crystalmark.info/download/index-e.html

BTW 3 years isn't very long for an SSD to bite the dust.
 

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Off topic (sort of ...
Jeannie, you are psychic. I suspect my wife's SSD might be on its last legs (3 yrs old) ... she gives it a beating with her video collages.

You spelled psycho wrong. :p
 

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Or is it "physic" ;)
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@ mjf

I have already checked the SSD health, today certain keyboard characters not working
My thread today Keyboard problem, left-brace - Windows 7 Help Forums

I am starting to suspect wife's PC has corrupted OS :doh:

I need more problems like a hole in the head ... :rolleyes:
 

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Today I went to buy an SSD to clone my mechanical HDD onto the SSD.
Sales assistant told me to never clone HDD to SSD because Windows will be much slower than a direct install onto an SSD.

Is this true ?

At Macrium forum how to clone a HHd to an SSD (I think Gork is the/a developer) implies otherwise.
- granted his post is for v5 in 2013

I am hoping to use the SSD as a clone backup and if necessary (I don't like when !), clone the trashed HDD from the SSD

Informed comments appreciated :)

-----------
UPDATE
Lady Fitzgerald's post #2 is the best overview of cloning, imaging and backups, I have read
She has given me the courage to jump in ... confessions of a 71 yr old reptile

That is not true Windows 10 can optimize itself even if you change the drive to ssd, i am attaching a picture here
word-image-18.png
from there you can see that you can run optimization weekly as per your need
 

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Depends if you fancy a clean install - there are pros and cons to that. A fresh install can be snappier than something you have been running for a long time. But it means getting the updates, installing your programs, drivers, setting everything up again.

Cloning is easy enough, I did a lot of it yesterday using Aomei

Unlimited Giveaway AOMEI Backupper Professional 5.3 - Free License

I am curious what might have inspired you to resurrect this old thread?
 

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I am curious what might have inspired you to resurrect this old thread?


I'm going to say perhaps I have a little bit of clairvoyance or psychic ability in me and say that the images are from his website which is run in WordPress hiding behind CloudFlare for the expressed purpose to increase SEO. Though I could be wrong. BUT! The images look like they pertain to Windows 10 and not 7 which this particular forum is all about. Not 10.

Edit-

He does a really bad job at hiding behind CloudFlare and he's got a ton of CVEs to fix. Berry, berry bad. https://www.shodan.io/host/50.31.114.45

His other website is called Crawlerguys - Latest Tech News


Edit 2-


And I'm going to rub my crystal ball and place the tarot cards down and say he's using crazydomains for both sites for domain registration and hosting. LMAO!
 
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In an earlier post, I saw something that Windows 10 does to clean up a drive, is that a defragger? I thought SSDs do not defrag, rather, it's best to TRIM. Did I see that pic wrongly?
 

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In an earlier post, I saw something that Windows 10 does to clean up a drive, is that a defragger? I thought SSDs do not defrag, rather, it's best to TRIM. Did I see that pic wrongly?


What's the post number?

True. SSDs don't need to be defragged. It's the way they roll. It's a chip, actually about 6 or more memory chips on a board withen a piece of plastic or metal casing. That's all an SSD is. With a mechanic drive it is by nature prone to fragment data all over the place. Thus reducing the read and write speed because the head has to go from way up here to way down here and all over the place to read and write inconsistent data for lack of the proper term. With an SSD the data is just there and read and wrote to very rapidly. It's a memory chip after all.

Defragging a SSD would put a very, VERY large amount of writes to the chip that does in fact have an finite life cycle. The MTBF (Mean Time Before Failure) increases with more and more writes. But now a days the tech has gotten better so it really isn't as bad as it used to.

If I'm not mistaken, TRIM, which is actually the name for the command, is to help facilitate garbage collection. So it's like the trash man comes along while your computer is idle and frees up memory areas or something. I think this is why you see the HDD light indicator activity with an idle computer because the OS is doing garbage collection. LOL

When I got my first SSD I ran it in XP 64. But in XP there was no such thing as a TRIM command. So yes, my very old Sandforce-based SSD went kaput in about a year. I did know of the problem using XP and I was willing to face the problem. But it wasn't that big of a deal since I always clone my computer's to backup external HDDs.
 

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