32 bit -to- 64 bit system and OS

[BSkiLLs]

Edited: Please start here at link right below if you open this thread as it got messed and confused. Clarified it alittle better to what i was exactly trying to say and get thoughts on.

http://www.sevenforums.com/hardware-devices/49293-32-bit-64-bit-system-os-3.html#post498141

Thread is solved / ended.

I will have the thread marked as solved and deleted just so no more misunderstands or posts. Thxs



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OK.. As some of you know here. Im pretty good and skilled with all this computer / high tech crap but..

Trying to get some insight from you guys and trying to figure something out and a way to do this so..

Basically asking for a friend of mine trying to set something up for her and get it to work right and cheap.

So basically she has a 32bit vista home prem system and we trying to maybe make hers to win7 home prem but... 64bit upgrade. (disks that i have). was going to try and upgrade hers for free with my disks.

So as i know and you guys know can only upgrade from like home prem to home prem, or ultimate to ultimate etc etc..

but now hers is a 32bit system. my disks are 64 bit win7 home prem.

So thing is what would be easier and better to do or i should say how to get it to be able to be upgraded to the 64bit version. What would be easier and more cost effective to switch hers to 64 bit and be able to then use upgrade to win7 64 bit ??

What would we have to do and how much cash to switch hers from 32bit to 64bit system ??

Think that would be cheaper then to just do a 32 bit win 7 anytime upgrade ??

Plus as because we are trying to get hers to a 64 bit system anyways instead of 32. What do you all think would be better anyways and/or best way to do it in total. whether we keep the same 32 bit to a win7 32bit disk or anytime upgrade or switchin to 64 system and win7 OS.

Any idea's, examples, input etc etc. All is welcome. different ideas and such ??

Hope that made sense..lol

 

[SIW2]

Hi,

You can use an upgrade version of 7. The fact she has Vista qualifies for the upgrade price.

However, you cannot do an in-place install from Vista 32 bit to 7 64 bit. It has to be a clean install using the upgrade media.

If you use the 32 bit version of 7 - you can do an in-place install.

There is no difference in the price between 32 and 64 bit.

If her machine is 64 bit capable - may as well go for 64 bit version of 7.

You can use your dvd - but she needs a product key of her own . You can't use the same product key on 2 machines .

I believe the student deal for $30 is still going on - that's the cheapest way.

http://windows7.digitalriver.com/st...=SzQ6wAoHAiwAACbtlLkAAAAB&rests=1261714206367

 

[BSkiLLs]

Hi,

You can use an upgrade version of 7. The fact she has Vista qualifies for the upgrade price.

However, you cannot do an in-place install from Vista 32 bit to 7 64 bit. It has to be a clean install using the upgrade media.

If you use the 32 bit version of 7 - you can do an in-place install.

There is no difference in the price between 32 and 64 bit.

If her machine is 64 bit capable - may as well go for 64 bit version of 7.

You can use your dvd - but she needs a product key of her own . You can't use the same product key on 2 machines .

I believe the student deal for $30 is still going on - that's the cheapest way.

Windows 7 US Online Store - Student Registration

Well, it's not really capable right now as her machine is a 32bit HP and vista 32 bit home prem system. We kinda want it to be switched to a 64 bit with as i said and you, with a win7 64 bit OS.

She has nobody in college. She is in her 30's and kids are in high school still.

 

[mckillwashere]

Do a fresh install of the 64-bit os.
You cannot "upgrade" from a 32 to a 64 bit.

To prevent any data loss, which will occur since to do a fresh install it requires a formatting, is to back up.

 

[BSkiLLs]

Do a fresh install of the 64-bit os.
You cannot "upgrade" from a 32 to a 64 bit.

To prevent any data loss, which will occur since to do a fresh install it requires a formatting, is to back up.

Cant do a 64 install on a 32bit machine.

That's why im trying to think bout it all and asked this to see and figure out maybe the best, easiest, cheapest way to.

 

[BSkiLLs]

Hi,
but she needs a product key of her own . You can't use the same product key on 2 machines .
http://windows7.digitalriver.com/st...=SzQ6wAoHAiwAACbtlLkAAAAB&rests=1261714206367

uhm.. why not.. true i guess but didnt think about that. Thought it would still work with the same. Just like any other program product key.

 

[SIW2]

I am afraid not.

7 checks the product key and a unique code that identifies the machine online - it does this regularly.

Pretty sure the student deal applies if you have a school email address - a .sch email address works in the UK - must be the case elsewhere.

It is the machine itself that needs to be 64 bit capable. The fact there is a 32 bit o/s on it now means nothing.

It probably is 64 bit capable - as far as I know almost all machines ( apart from netbooks) made during the past 5 years will be. You would need to check the manufacturers website to find out.

Hope it helps.

 

[BSkiLLs]

I am afraid not.

7 checks the product key and a unique code that identifies the machine online - it does this regularly.

Pretty sure the student deal applies if you have a school email address - a .sch email address works in the UK - must be the case elsewhere.

It is the machine itself that needs to be 64 bit capable. The fact there is a 32 bit o/s on it now means nothing.

It probably is 64 bit capable - as far as I know almost all machines ( apart from netbooks) made during the past 5 years will be. You would need to check the manufacturers website to find out.

Hope it helps.

Yeah its capable. Has enough ram and etc etc.. but thing is what im wondering asking for ideas as to switch her machine to 64 from 32. Best way or how to do so then we could afterwards put a win 64 bit OS on it. ??

or other idea's. As so far cant really figure it out right in my head. well i can but just have to many different ideas in my head.

Seems if they check the key then even tho it is a legal legit copy but.. if will not work that way then guess kinda stuck having to have her go through the anytime upgrade system way then.. i dunno.

 

[BSkiLLs]

By the way i would like to add. We are not trying to do anything illegal here by doing this as we are just trying to see if it will work mainly also because of trying to get the machine switched over to a 64 instead of a 32 so was going to do this in a so called testing stage.

Still was going to use my upgrade disks as a tester or a 32bit upgrade disk. I don't see why it wouldn't work with the product key that's on the label or if it is in use.

Either way actually just trying to come up with a way to switch it over in any shape or form that we may or will have to take.

 

[Kari]

OK.. As some of you know here. Im pretty good and skilled with all this computer / high tech sh*t but..

:sarc: ?

So as i know and you guys know can only upgrade from like home prem to home prem, or ultimate to ultimate etc etc..

No, I don't know. You can in-place upgrade from Vista Home Basic to Seven Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate or Enterprise. You can in-place upgrade from Vista Home Premium to Seven Home Premium, Ultimate or Enterprise, and you can in-place upgrade Vista Ultimate to Seven Ultimate or Seven Enterprise.

Only Seven Professional is a bit difficult, you can in-place upgrade to it only from Vista Business.

but now hers is a 32bit system. my disks are 64 bit win7 home prem.

Every junior high school student with 10 hours of computer studies knows you can not install a 64-bit OS on 32-bit hardware, or that you can not in-place a 32-bit Windows with a 64-bit Windows.

So thing is what would be easier and better to do or i should say how to get it to be able to be upgraded to the 64bit version. What would be easier and more cost effective to switch hers to 64 bit and be able to then use upgrade to win7 64 bit ??

You need a 64-bit capable computer i.e. you have to upgrade hardware.

What would we have to do and how much cash to switch hers from 32bit to 64bit system ??

Think that would be cheaper then to just do a 32 bit win 7 anytime upgrade ??

Cost of upgrading a 32-bit machine with a 32-bit Win7 = cost of Win7. Cost of upgrading a 32-bit machine with a 64-bit Win7 = cost of Win7 + cost of new 64-bit hardware. If you really try, you might figure out which would be cheaper.

Plus as because we are trying to get hers to a 64 bit system anyways instead of 32. What do you all think would be better anyways and/or best way to do it in total. whether we keep the same 32 bit to a win7 32bit disk or anytime upgrade or switchin to 64 system and win7 OS.

Any idea's, examples, input etc etc. All is welcome. different ideas and such ??

Hope that made sense..lol

Nope. Referring to all above, this makes no sence. Can really not understand you.

Well, it's not really capable right now as her machine is a 32bit HP and vista 32 bit home prem system. We kinda want it to be switched to a 64 bit with as i said and you, with a win7 64 bit OS.

I repeat: A 32-BIT WINDOWS VISTA CAN NOT BE UPGRADED WITH A 64-BIT WINDOWS 7, AND A 64-BIT OS CAN NOT BE INSTALLED ON A 32-BIT MACHINE!

Hi,
but she needs a product key of her own . You can't use the same product key on 2 machines .
http://windows7.digitalriver.com/st...=SzQ6wAoHAiwAACbtlLkAAAAB&rests=1261714206367

uhm.. why not.. true i guess but didnt think about that. Thought it would still work with the same. Just like any other program product key.

See the first quote in this post and my short comment to it.

Yeah its capable. Has enough ram and etc etc.. but thing is what im wondering asking for ideas as to switch her machine to 64 from 32. Best way or how to do so then we could afterwards put a win 64 bit OS on it. ??

I really understood from everything you said earlier her machine is NOT capable to run a 64-bit OS. I really recommend a bit less "dunno lol" and a bit more clear text about the issue.

Your options are: A clean install of either a 32-bit or 64-bit Windows (any version), or an in-place upgrade from current Vista Home Premium to Win7 Home Premium, Ultimate or Enterprise.

Kari

 

[BSkiLLs]

OK.. As some of you know here. Im pretty good and skilled with all this computer / high tech sh*t but..

:sarc: ?

No need to be a smart ass.. and that goes for all your multi quoted so called answers here. That was said that way so people knew not to post crap like you did and try and explain the stupid beginner knob answers or thoughts like you just did.

Some people in here know me or have seen my posts or answers to people and KNOW i know what i am doing not to mention everybody on ALL my own sites and design / support forums.

So as i know and you guys know can only upgrade from like home prem to home prem, or ultimate to ultimate etc etc..

No, I don't know. You can in-place upgrade from Vista Home Basic to Seven Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate or Enterprise. You can in-place upgrade from Vista Home Premium to Seven Home Premium, Ultimate or Enterprise, and you can in-place upgrade Vista Ultimate to Seven Ultimate or Seven Enterprise.

Only Seven Professional is a bit difficult, you can in-place upgrade to it only from Vista Business.

again, no need to be a smart ass and repeat what i just said cause that's what the heck i just said.

Every junior high school student with 10 hours of computer studies knows you can not install a 64-bit OS on 32-bit hardware, or that you can not in-place a 32-bit Windows with a 64-bit Windows.

NO sh*t !!!! Again that's what i am saying in here obviously and just told the guy above me that exact thing you just re-said. No need again to be a smart ass and call names or try and insult somebody

You need a 64-bit capable computer i.e. you have to upgrade hardware.

same as above.

Cost of upgrading a 32-bit machine with a 32-bit Win7 = cost of Win7. Cost of upgrading a 32-bit machine with a 64-bit Win7 = cost of Win7 + cost of new 64-bit hardware. If you really try, you might figure out which would be cheaper.

No sh*t !! but that's besides the point here and what the questions or thoughts asked for is really in reference too or asking.

Nope. Referring to all above, this makes no sence. Can really not understand you.

Sense is spelled since or sense. Not sence.!


Maybe try and read again and this time read the whole post instead of jumping and being rude to somebody like that out of no where without knowing what is truly being asked. As said, it's not really a direct question. It's more about thoughts on the subject of what way might be better to go.

I repeat: A 32-BIT WINDOWS VISTA CAN NOT BE UPGRADED WITH A 64-BIT WINDOWS 7, AND A 64-BIT OS CAN NOT BE INSTALLED ON A 32-BIT MACHINE!

uhm.. why not.. true i guess but didnt think about that. Thought it would still work with the same. Just like any other program product key.

See the first quote in this post and my short comment to it.

Yeah its capable. Has enough ram and etc etc.. but thing is what im wondering asking for ideas as to switch her machine to 64 from 32. Best way or how to do so then we could afterwards put a win 64 bit OS on it. ??

I really understood from everything you said earlier her machine is NOT capable to run a 64-bit OS. I really recommend a bit less "dunno lol" and a bit more clear text about the issue.

Well if your as good and supposedly know what your doing like you come in here trying to act. then you would know what i am saying and the shorthand i am speaking in to be able to read between the lines to understand then wouldn't ya.

Your options are: A clean install of either a 32-bit or 64-bit Windows (any version), or an in-place upgrade from current Vista Home Premium to Win7 Home Premium, Ultimate or Enterprise.

Kari

oohh wait a minute. I thought you just said you can't install a 64bit on a 32bit machine. lol..


Come on !!! You gotta be kidding me right? lol.!!!




No my options are as said above pretty much clearly spoken.

Either to use a 32bit win7 (any version) on her 32 bit machine. -or- To use and switch her machine to a 64bit and use a 64bit win7 (any version).

That's the whole point here and so called topic / question. Is to what people think is better, easier, less cost effective. (in all fields, programs, machine, MB, OS) etc etc.. or just different ways to maybe make it work both ways.

Again this post was not for knobs to reply. only people that knew what i am saying and/or very technical to maybe have some tricks up their sleeves to make something work out both both possibilities or options on the same machine.

Thanks for your sarcastic answers and post... but please, if your not this technical or can not understand a simple post please don't put in your input in and reply.

Thanks.

 

[BSkiLLs]

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Kari,

Says it plan and simple in my 1st post. Here i even copied and put it in bold print for ya below.

[ of course not all of it, but the main point ]

So thing is what would be easier and better to do or i should say how to get it to be able to be upgraded to the 64bit version. What would be easier and more cost effective to switch hers to 64 bit and be able to then use upgrade to win7 64 bit ??

What would we have to do and how much cash to switch hers from 32bit to 64bit system ??

Think that would be cheaper then to just do a 32 bit win 7 anytime upgrade ??

Plus as because we are trying to get hers to a 64 bit system anyways instead of 32. l

 

[ignatzatsonic]

In post 3, you state "it's not really capable right now".

In post 8, you state "yeah it's capable".

That confuses me.

Will the hardware support a 64-bit operating system as it sits now?

Or will you have to upgrade hardware?

If you have to upgrade hardware, compile a list of what that might cost. That might cost a lot more than your OS choices.

You can't (legally) use your own 64-bit install discs on her machine unless you have a valid new key.

But you knew that.

 

[madtownidiot]

Let's put it real simple.. regardless of what microsoft recommends, if you have a system with a dual core processor (pentium dual core, core two duo, or later) or AMD64, more than 20 GB of HDD space and more than 1GB of memory, windows 7 64-bit will install and run, but I wouldn't recommend installing the 64 bit version if you have less than 3GB memory. I just installed 64-bit windows 7 professional on a toshiba laptop with 1GB of memory and a 1.4 GHZ pentium dual core, and it made a significant improvement in performance over vista. Microsoft really needs to give windows 7 away for free to all the people who got f****d over by vista running on systems that could barely handle it.

 

[Kari]

OK.. As some of you know here. Im pretty good and skilled with all this computer / high tech sh*t but..

:sarc: ?

No need to be a smart ass.. and that goes for all your multi quoted so called answers here. That was said that way so people knew not to post crap like you did and try and explain the stupid beginner knob answers or thoughts like you just did.

Some people in here know me or have seen my posts or answers to people and KNOW i know what i am doing not to mention everybody on ALL my own sites and design / support forums.

I am entitled to have an opinion. I read all your posts before replying, because that statement really interested me, and my comment was and is my honest opinion about your statement.

again, no need to be a smart ass and repeat what i just said cause that's what the heck i just said.

That is not true. You stated that Vista Home Premium can only be upgraded to Win7 Home Premium. This is definitely not true, that's why I corrected you. Vista Home Premium can be in-place upgraded to Seven Home Premium, Seven Ultimate and Seven Enterprise.

No sh*t !! but that's besides the point here and what the questions or thoughts asked for is really in reference too or asking.

How is that besides of the point? You are telling about a 32-bit system and asking what would be the cost to upgrade it with a 64-bit OS. I answered your question.

Sense is spelled since or sense. Not sence.!

My apologies. English is a foreign language to me, I make this kind of errors every now and then.

Maybe try and read again and this time read the whole post instead of jumping and being rude to somebody like that out of no where without knowing what is truly being asked. As said, it's not really a direct question. It's more about thoughts on the subject of what way might be better to go.

I read your post several times. IMO I was not rude, I was trying to response to your incoherent (subjective opinion) post as good as possible.

oohh wait a minute. I thought you just said you can't install a 64bit on a 32bit machine. lol..

I had already told you you can install a 64-bit OS if the machine is either capable of running a 64-bit OS as it currently is, or if its hardware is updated.

No my options are as said above pretty much clearly spoken.

Either to use a 32bit win7 (any version) on her 32 bit machine. -or- To use and switch her machine to a 64bit and use a 64bit win7 (any version).

Once again, it is almost impossible to understand if the computer in question is capable to run a 64-bit OS or not. Either way, I gave you valid answers.

I'll try one more time:

If you want to install a 64-bit OS, the computer must be capable to run it. If not, you can install a 32-bit OS or upgrade the computer.

If the computer is capable to run a 64-bit OS, the cost to upgrade it is the cost of Windows 7. If the computer is not capable to run a 64-bit OS, and you want to install a 64-bit OS, the cost to upgrade it is the cost of Windows 7 plus the cost to upgrading the hardware. Because I don't know which edition you want, and because you can buy Windows in so many ways and places, the exact price is impossible to tell.

Kari

 

[smarteyeball]

All I can say is try it and report back with the results

 

[DarkDavil]

:sarc: ?

No need to be a smart ass.. and that goes for all your multi quoted so called answers here. That was said that way so people knew not to post crap like you did and try and explain the stupid beginner knob answers or thoughts like you just did.

Some people in here know me or have seen my posts or answers to people and KNOW i know what i am doing not to mention everybody on ALL my own sites and design / support forums.

I am entitled to have an opinion. I read all your posts before replying, because that statement really interested me, and my comment was and is my honest opinion about your statement.



That is not true. You stated that Vista Home Premium can only be upgraded to Win7 Home Premium. This is definitely not true, that's why I corrected you. Vista Home Premium can be in-place upgraded to Seven Home Premium, Seven Ultimate and Seven Enterprise.



How is that besides of the point? You are telling about a 32-bit system and asking what would be the cost to upgrade it with a 64-bit OS. I answered your question.



My apologies. English is a foreign language to me, I make this kind of errors every now and then.


I read your post several times. IMO I was not rude, I was trying to response to your incoherent (subjective opinion) post as good as possible.

oohh wait a minute. I thought you just said you can't install a 64bit on a 32bit machine. lol..

I had already told you you can install a 64-bit OS if the machine is either capable of running a 64-bit OS as it currently is, or if its hardware is updated.

No my options are as said above pretty much clearly spoken.

Either to use a 32bit win7 (any version) on her 32 bit machine. -or- To use and switch her machine to a 64bit and use a 64bit win7 (any version).

Once again, it is almost impossible to understand if the computer in question is capable to run a 64-bit OS or not. Either way, I gave you valid answers.

I'll try one more time:

If you want to install a 64-bit OS, the computer must be capable to run it. If not, you can install a 32-bit OS or upgrade the computer.

If the computer is capable to run a 64-bit OS, the cost to upgrade it is the cost of Windows 7. If the computer is not capable to run a 64-bit OS, and you want to install a 64-bit OS, the cost to upgrade it is the cost of Windows 7 plus the cost to upgrading the hardware. Because I don't know which edition you want, and because you can buy Windows in so many ways and places, the exact price is impossible to tell.

Kari

+1 To Kari. And man BSkillS you need to stop swearing all the time, when clearly Kari is trying to answer your question

 

[BSkiLLs]

In post 3, you state "it's not really capable right now".

In post 8, you state "yeah it's capable".

That confuses me.

Will the hardware support a 64-bit operating system as it sits now?

Or will you have to upgrade hardware?

If you have to upgrade hardware, compile a list of what that might cost. That might cost a lot more than your OS choices.

You can't (legally) use your own 64-bit install discs on her machine unless you have a valid new key.

But you knew that.

oohh sorry. That was repling to 2 different questions and circumstances. 1st one, Meaning it is not compat at the moment to run the win 64bit win7 OS disc i have because it is a 32 bit system.. and.. the other meaning the hardware (machine) itself is compat and is good enough stats to switch it to a 64bit system.

Hope that makes sense..lol. This thread got all confusing. When it was started out to be a pretty simple.

 

[BSkiLLs]

:sarc: ?

No need to be a smart ass.. and that goes for all your multi quoted so called answers here. That was said that way so people knew not to post crap like you did and try and explain the stupid beginner knob answers or thoughts like you just did.

Some people in here know me or have seen my posts or answers to people and KNOW i know what i am doing not to mention everybody on ALL my own sites and design / support forums.

I am entitled to have an opinion. I read all your posts before replying, because that statement really interested me, and my comment was and is my honest opinion about your statement.



That is not true. You stated that Vista Home Premium can only be upgraded to Win7 Home Premium. This is definitely not true, that's why I corrected you. Vista Home Premium can be in-place upgraded to Seven Home Premium, Seven Ultimate and Seven Enterprise.



How is that besides of the point? You are telling about a 32-bit system and asking what would be the cost to upgrade it with a 64-bit OS. I answered your question.



My apologies. English is a foreign language to me, I make this kind of errors every now and then.


I read your post several times. IMO I was not rude, I was trying to response to your incoherent (subjective opinion) post as good as possible.

oohh wait a minute. I thought you just said you can't install a 64bit on a 32bit machine. lol..

I had already told you you can install a 64-bit OS if the machine is either capable of running a 64-bit OS as it currently is, or if its hardware is updated.

No my options are as said above pretty much clearly spoken.

Either to use a 32bit win7 (any version) on her 32 bit machine. -or- To use and switch her machine to a 64bit and use a 64bit win7 (any version).

Once again, it is almost impossible to understand if the computer in question is capable to run a 64-bit OS or not. Either way, I gave you valid answers.

I'll try one more time:

If you want to install a 64-bit OS, the computer must be capable to run it. If not, you can install a 32-bit OS or upgrade the computer.

If the computer is capable to run a 64-bit OS, the cost to upgrade it is the cost of Windows 7. If the computer is not capable to run a 64-bit OS, and you want to install a 64-bit OS, the cost to upgrade it is the cost of Windows 7 plus the cost to upgrading the hardware. Because I don't know which edition you want, and because you can buy Windows in so many ways and places, the exact price is impossible to tell.

Kari

Sorry if i took that wrong then but just seemed to me you was being rude and insulting me.

Anyways. It's this simple. Her machine is good enough to be a 64bit system but it's not. It is a 32bit system with a 32bit vista OS on it.

That is what i am trying to see here and get opinions on. The fact of what would be better, easier, faster, cheaper to do.

To get it to the point of running a 64bit win7 OS on it.

I know a 64bit OS will not run on a 32bit machine. That is why i am saying this and posted this. To see what would be better as said.

Basically to see what all my options are to make this work some how.

Besides the obvious choices to either just keep it at a 32 system and run or buy a new 32bit win7 OS on it -or- (what i would have to do to upgrade it to a 64bit machine??) to upgrade to complete system so can put a 64bit win7 OS on it. -or- to try and run mine on it with the key already being in use. s i also have a 32bit win7 OS upgrade disc.

This thread has me all confused now. When it started out to be a pretty system thought / idea / question... ( I thought!! )

 

[unifex]

This is a very confusing thread. With all the argument it is totally not clear what can and what cannot be done.

First of all, the upgrade option, according to the Microsoft web site

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/upgrade-faq-option.aspx

can be used to upgrade Vista to an *equivalent* Windows 7, i.e. Home Premium to Home premium. But this refers to machines bought in the second half of 2009 from participating vendors. Not sure if there is the same limitation for Vista licenses bought before July 2009. According to Kari, there is not.

This Microsoft tutorial

Upgrading from Windows Vista to Windows 7 (custom installation) - Help & How-to - Microsoft Windows

covers most issues of upgrading, whether you have 32-bit or 64-bit system.

The way I see it, if you want to go from 32-bit Vista to 64-bit Windows 7 - and assuming you have a 64-bit processor, which is simple to check, I guess all multi-core Intels and AMD64 are - then you will need to do a clean install, namely all user data will be lost, so please back up everything before starting.

However, from the marketing point of view it will still be an upgrade, i.e. you will have to pay less for the license based on the fact that you have Vista already. In fact, if you qualify for the Upgrade option program I mentioned above, the upgrade is free - but you have till the end of the month to order your copy.

Finally, you will have to obtain a new license key for the new Windows 7 installation - either through the upgrade program or otherwise. Your key is already tied to your hardware and if you try to use it on your friends machine it will be eventually rejected.

Hope this helps.