Issues with torrent downloading

[xVehemencityx]

Hi, I've got some issues with whenever I download torrents (legal downloads of course). Whenever I so much as open any torrent client, all of my other internet stops working. All of the internet in my entire house too, not just my computer. This only seems to happen in my Se7en installation, but not on my Ubuntu format.

I've tried uTorrent, Vuze, BitLord, BitComet, and BitTorrent.

Any ideas why?

 

[WalkerA WinTeam]

Yikes - you might need to take that up with your ISP. Sounds like they've clamped down pretty tight in your area. Mind me asking what service you have?

Also, does it happen when you so much as open the client without opening a torrent file? Or only when a transfer is initiated?

Cheers,

Walker
Windows Outreach Team

 

[xVehemencityx]

Haha, I asked my ISP and they swear that they don't throttle torrenting. I use Armstrong Cable, which I'm sure you've never heard of. I'm pretty sure it's basically Comcast, because the digital cable looks exactly the same. And yeah, it does it even when I'm not downloading a file I think... Let me check that real quick.

##Normally it doesn't work even when there are no torrents running, but for some reason right now, when everything is stopped, it's working.

 

[zzz2496]

Can you tell me your router's make/model? Some routers simply "blackout" when bombarded by torrent client. You might as well look for firmware updates for your router...

zzz2496

 

[xVehemencityx]

Umm, it's a netgear something-or-other, haha. But it's a brand new router, and I had the same issues before I upgraded routers, cuz I thought that was the problem too.

 

[xVehemencityx]

By the way, it's a Netgear CGD24G

 

[zzz2496]

Hmm... looking at the product page, it should be more than capable to handle torrent connections... Few years back I support Azureus in my spare time (now it's called Vuze). Back then, many routers "puked" when bombarded with bittorrent connections (including the infamous WRT54G, lots of problems back then).
If you can, try this: start a bittorrent client (it should go to internet black out, right?) then type this in a command prompt => tracert 64.233.181.105

That command's output should show at least 2 "gateways", more is good. If it stops at the first gateway, that means your router puked, if so... check your bittorrent client, look at number of seeds/peers connected at that time, write it down, post back.

zzz2496

 

[xVehemencityx]

Umm, while running, it was able to get through 13 gateways (albeit with pings of over 1200ms). I found that my problem is more specifically browsing. GoogleTalk keeps working just fine, and so does skype, but it's mainly just any browsing. I googled that and found that it seems to be a TCP/IP Half-open problem. How do I change that in Windows 7? I knew how to with Windows XP but it's not the same.

 

[zzz2496]

You don't need to mess with the half-open settings. Everything is running perfectly, except browsing...?

*Smells like bad proxy server problem...*

Anyway, that ping time, over a second each? If so, then there's absolutely something wrong with one of your network gear... (I suspect the router)...

OR

This is like the infamous symptom of "bad settings".

zzz2496

edit: "bad settings" = Bittorrent client not properly setup, especially in upload limit and connection number(s). Click here to get good settings.

 

[zigzag3143]

Hi, I've got some issues with whenever I download torrents (legal downloads of course). Whenever I so much as open any torrent client, all of my other internet stops working. All of the internet in my entire house too, not just my computer. This only seems to happen in my Se7en installation, but not on my Ubuntu format.

I've tried uTorrent, Vuze, BitLord, BitComet, and BitTorrent.

Any ideas why?

Are you using homegroup? sometimes homegroup has a problem with some systems. You can verify if that is the problem by setting up a new network connection using workgroup. If it works, you can disable IPv6 and kill homegroup. Let us know if you need help


Ken

 

[xVehemencityx]

I was using a homegroup, but I just left it. I think I'll let the internet go for a while, downloading and all, and tomorrow morning when I wake up (downloads still on), if my internet works, I'll know that solved it. I also capped my upload speed.

 

[zzz2496]

You need to cap the upload speed AND connection limit per torrent, limiting either one will still give you (some) problems, limiting both will almost always fix any problems.

zzz2496

 

[CommonTater]

Hi, I've got some issues with whenever I download torrents (legal downloads of course). Whenever I so much as open any torrent client, all of my other internet stops working. All of the internet in my entire house too, not just my computer. This only seems to happen in my Se7en installation, but not on my Ubuntu format.

I've tried uTorrent, Vuze, BitLord, BitComet, and BitTorrent.

Any ideas why?

1) if you aren't using uTorrent... switch over to it. If you are on BitTorrent, make sure you uninstall DNA. (DNA hides in the background and does file sharing all the time your machine is on, whether you want it to or not.)

2) It seems likely your torrent client is simply saturating your network connection. They will do that unless you take steps to prevent it.

The fix is to self-regulate... in the options for your torrent client you will find a spot to limit the maximum upload and dowload rates. These should be set to about 2/3 of your maximum bandwidth from your ISP... You should also limit the maximum number of simultaneous downloads to 3 or 4. Uploads to about 2 or 3. This will allow reasonably quick torrent activiey but will also prevent it from saturating your network connection and blocking others from using their browsers (etc).

The one thing I learned about torrents, very early on, is that you should never operate these clients on defaults... they will happily shut down your entire network if you let them.

 

[severedsolo]

it is possible that the torrent is overloading your router as previously said, its worth nothing that the new utorrent (2.1 beta) supports something called utp which should back off the connection when its needed (say for web browsing)

actually this was intorduced in 2.0 but i found it never worked for me until 2.1

 

[matt_0978]

it is possible that the torrent is overloading your router as previously said, its worth nothing that the new utorrent (2.1 beta) supports something called utp which should back off the connection when its needed (say for web browsing)

actually this was intorduced in 2.0 but i found it never worked for me until 2.1

i'm using utorrent 2.1 and i'm finding that i get faster speeds when running my pc in safe mode, why would this be?

this is my speedtest result



and tracert result

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Users\matt_0978>tracert 64.233.181.105
Tracing route to ni-in-f105.1e100.net [64.233.181.105]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 71 ms 72 ms 64 ms 92.25.160.1
3 34 ms 35 ms 34 ms 78.151.229.69
4 41 ms 41 ms 61 ms xe-10-0-0-rt002.man.as13285.net [78.151.225.9]
5 85 ms 52 ms 45 ms xe-11-1-0-rt001.the.as13285.net [62.24.240.6]
6 49 ms 43 ms 48 ms host-78-144-0-206.as13285.net [78.144.0.206]
7 46 ms 55 ms 53 ms xe-10-0-0-scr010.thn.as13285.net [78.144.0.224]
8 46 ms 47 ms 45 ms host-78-144-3-30.as13285.net [78.144.3.30]
9 64 ms 49 ms 48 ms 64.233.175.27
10 133 ms 50 ms 132 ms 209.85.250.54
11 158 ms 160 ms 168 ms 216.239.46.215
12 230 ms 230 ms 188 ms 209.85.240.224
13 332 ms 353 ms 196 ms 209.85.249.19
14 356 ms 245 ms 243 ms 209.85.241.211
15 421 ms 430 ms 354 ms 209.85.248.130
16 349 ms 432 ms 434 ms 209.85.242.233
17 466 ms 440 ms 420 ms 209.85.254.154
18 459 ms 436 ms 466 ms 209.85.243.146
19 445 ms 463 ms 452 ms 209.85.250.237
20 438 ms 444 ms 452 ms ni-in-f105.1e100.net [64.233.181.105]
Trace complete.
C:\Users\matt_0978>

can u give me any indication as to whether my current utorrent settings of max upload = 70kB/s, Global download limit = 0kB/s, Max connx = 400, Max peers = 90 and upload slots per torrent = 5 should be ok? Otherwise can you recommend more optimal settings please?

 

[zzz2496]

Use this to "calculate" your settings

zzz2496

 

[severedsolo]

well your upload is too high, for your connection i would set it to about 60kb/s

 

[CommonTater]

i'm using utorrent 2.1 and i'm finding that i get faster speeds when running my pc in safe mode, why would this be?

this is my speedtest result



can u give me any indication as to whether my current utorrent settings of max upload = 70kB/s, Global download limit = 0kB/s, Max connx = 400, Max peers = 90 and upload slots per torrent = 5 should be ok? Otherwise can you recommend more optimal settings please?

Ok based on your speed test results try this...

Set your uploads to 40kBps
Set downloads to 500kBps
Max Connections to 200
Max peers per torrent to 50
Max active torrents to 10
Max active downloads to 5
Max upload slots to 4

Also in Advanced settings (the part they tell you not to touch)

BT Have to Seed should be FALSE and
BT Scrape stopped should be TRUE.

These won't affect throughput but it makes for a much more compliant behavior on LAN based connections.


This should give you pretty good throughput without saturating your network connection.

And FWIW... it's not your router that's being saturated. Most routers today can handle 10 times the speed of the average internet connection. It's the internet connection itself that is being saturated, which is why other computers in the house will lag and run extremely slow when accessing thie internet but still behave nicely when accessing shared files.

I think you already understand this, but just in case...Your speed test results do not indicate that each computer has 6mbps, they indicate that all computers are sharing 6mbps... so you need to take that into consideration when setting up uTorrent.

 

[matt_0978]

Use this to "calculate" your settings

zzz2496

erm..that link would be dead

 

[zzz2496]

Really? It loaded normally over here...

zzz2496