Any Vapers?

[Night Hawk]

There's a war of misinformation going on to be precise. The initial misleading was the efforts by the FDA at first however until a Federal judge ruled that ecigs were not to be considered medicinal devices when the FDA attempted a total ban and detained shipments.

Judge Slams FDA Over Detained Electronic Smokes

By Nick Malinowski
Law360, New York (January 14, 2010, 5:53 PM ET) -- A federal judge on Thursday slammed the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's policy of impounding shipments of electronic cigarettes as unapproved drug-device combinations, granting two importers' bid to enjoin the agency from denying entry of the products into the U.S.
Judge Richard J. Leon of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia determined that Smoking Everywhere Inc. and intervenor Sottera Inc. were likely to prevail in their case against the FDA, which they claim lacks the authority to regulate electronic cigarettes as a banned product under the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act.

Full Report seen at: Judge Slams FDA Over Detained Electronic Smokes - Law360

A good read about what has been the story since which clearly shows the $$$$$$$ motivation for slamming vaping in general with scare tactics first with Big Tobacco seeing the sudden losses of lifetime customers as well as all the bans in public places that emerged since 7 CEOs were called out before a Senate Sub Committee back in the 90s. Scaring People About e-Cigarettes: A Public Health Disgrace

And speaking about health organizations like WHO and others who may not even have ties with Big Pharma in their obvious rage over ecigs intruding on the multibillion $$$$$$$$$$ nicotine therapy industry they saw when Big T got called out for all the lies to hide the health risks and chemical additives to make smoking more additive by how those interacted to enhance nicotine you also include the antismoking advocates tossed into the mix.

Yet there is also a M.O.V.E.(Medical Organizations supporting Vaping and Electronic cigarettes) of professionals stressing the need to educate their colleges in those professions. Many are cardiovascular specialists in favor of ecigs. And the organization there is brought up with the latest poll the author would like people to share all over not just with those who vape in order to get a more complete unbiased vote for: Cigarettes or E-Cigarettes. Which Product Is Safer? Let the world decide.

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Cigarettes or E-Cigarettes. Which Product Is Safer? Let the world decide.

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So which do you believe is safer? Do you follow the Big Trash of Formaldehyde when cooking dry wicking material with the voltage cranked up too high? Before that it was the gateways for kids with all those flavor choices. Actually more teens are far less likely to pick up on smoking but avoid tobacco entirely after experimenting with ecigs. Grown adults have found ecigs as the way out of smoking. And they talk about contaminants in vapor they fail to mention all those chemicals found in Nicorette QuickMist like Hydrochloric Acid! Do you want to inhale stomach acid in order to get the feel of inhaling hot smoke?

Big Pharma would rather you use the stuff that doesn't work since healthy doesn't entail huge profits!

 

[ThrashZone]

Good info both of y'all

 

[Night Hawk]

There's actually quite a "Good" science and blogs on things to find. BUT! You have to do the legwork at times to dig up some of the best stuff to find! Those out to degrade ecigs always reflect only the low end cheapie cig look alike contestants many would likely start off with first until they find other and better things work in their favor. But then it seems there are always more Words of War to come as pointed out to a degree in the quote here.

Are these health fears overblown?

“Overblown is putting it mildly,” responded Jacob Sullum, health writer for the libertarian Reason magazine. “Health hazards to ‘vapers,’ let alone bystanders, are completely speculative and unverified. … (T)he aerosol produced by e-cigarettes is much less dangerous than tobacco smoke, because it contains very few of the same substances, and the chemicals they sometimes have in common are at much lower levels in the former than in the latter.

Full report seen at: Anti-vaping campaign more about ideology than public health | UTSanDiego.com

 

[Dude]

Just ordered a new tank, the MELO

http://sweet-vapes.com/clearomizers-cartomizers-tanks/eleaf/eleaf-tanks/eleaf-melo-sub-ohm-tank.html

 

[paulpicks21]

Nice tank Doug

 

[Dude]

Thanks Paul. I have a good reviewer who gave me some good info on it. That and I saved 4 cents from the link you sent me, man I'm a thrifty shopper

 

[Night Hawk]

iSmoka puts that out for their new iStick 30w and 50w models. Just got some other news about cotton wicked coils now seen for the Atlantis tanks. Kidney Puncher seems to be the first to get things like that in but charges more. $21 for a 5 pack of those as well as for the original replacements when I get them for under $15. Aspire Atlantis - 5 Pack Coil Heads

So far I've been getting over two months per coil on the Atlantis tabks I have here. But they are also twice the size of what you see for other tanks. Let us know how that one works out for you there. I have two 50w iSticks on the way that will be needing tanks.

 

[paulpicks21]

Thanks Paul. I have a good reviewer who gave me some good info on it. That and I saved 4 cents from the link you sent me, man I'm a thrifty shopper

You should like it, but it will be a big change from what you are used to. You can kick out some clouds so big you won't be able to see your PC anymore.
And be careful using it when you are driving. It's best to keep the window down a little!

 

[Wishmaster]

May need to lower the Nic levels too when you get into those that are providing much more vapor.
Which can be a good thing.

 

[Dude]

NightHawk, I will post comments about it after I have used it.

Paul, good tip on driving

Wishmaster, I will keep that in mind. I'm using 6mg now and will pick up some 3mg for the Melo

 

[Wishmaster]

At 6mg you may be OK.
But I know when I moved to higher output units I had to cut back on the Nic.

I mix my own juices and am starting to mix at 6mg now. finishing up the rest of my 8s and moving into 6. Next step then 0. So far so good. Hopefully by years end ill be at 0 and giving up on vaping all together.
thats the goal anyway. Slowly but surely.

 

[paulpicks21]

I have been on 6mg for a couple of months now Wishmaster. It seems about right for the sub Ohm tanks. I did mix a 3mg 90% VG juice the other day for a spot of cloud chasing lol.

 

[Night Hawk]

If you went entirely nicotine free you wouldn't even notice! I have a menthol flavor with 18mg and the same with 0% where you only notice a difference in a warmer vape and a little less of the flavor. That's running in one of the Atlantis tanks.

When trying out samples vendors tossed in along with hardware orders lately I've been running those qt 20-30w in one of the Atlantis tanks as well and the only thing noticed lately is a popping sound when the mod has been sitting for a period of time and the coil gets saturated with the 7ml Wotofo or 5ml Aspire replacements tank on. Other then that with or without nic in the mix the vape is smooth once the excess ejuice vaporizes when holding the button a few seconds longer befote taking the puff.

Since the absorption rate of nicotine from an ecig is about 1/10th of what you see with a tobacco cig it certainly won't hurt any to lower it even further. Here's a 2013 report about this. How much nicotine is absorbed following electronic cigarette use? | ECITA - Electronic Cigarette Industry Trade Association

 

[paulpicks21]

Wishmaster, have you heard of the Billow RTA? I have one coming in the next few days. It looks pretty easy to build on.

 

[ThrashZone]

At 6mg you may be OK.
But I know when I moved to higher output units I had to cut back on the Nic.

I mix my own juices and am starting to mix at 6mg now. finishing up the rest of my 8s and moving into 6. Next step then 0. So far so good. Hopefully by years end ill be at 0 and giving up on vaping all together.
thats the goal anyway. Slowly but surely.

 

[SIW2]

It is getting worrying in Europe. Efforts to limit strength, impose taxes, all the usual greed and control freakery from the usual suspects.

It is an evil alliance. Governments want the tax revenue, pharma companies want to keep selling their nrt products ( very big money is involved), and the insane who are never happy unless they have a minority to persecute.

 

[Wishmaster]

Wishmaster, have you heard of the Billow RTA? I have one coming in the next few days. It looks pretty easy to build on.

No I haven't sorry. The only RTA I have hands on exp with is the Kayfun.

 

[Night Hawk]

It is getting worrying in Europe. Efforts to limit strength, impose taxes, all the usual greed and control freakery from the usual suspects.

It is an evil alliance. Governments want the tax revenue, pharma companies want to keep selling their nrt products ( very big money is involved), and the insane who are never happy unless they have a minority to persecute.

And the biggest joke of is the WHO! In a recent article a CEO from one of the European drug admitted that they had considered coming out with their own brand of ecigs but held off due to all the controversies being stirred. The CEO admitted that ecigs took a huge chunk out the market place for their gums, patches, and other junk that simply doesn't work. $$$$$$$$$$$$ has been the motivator all along!

There's a ton of Big T and especially more so Big Pharma backed misinformation being smeared around as scare tactics. Here's one on how that is playing out. The madness of the war on e-cigs | Health | Smoking | USA | spiked

While Australia is going through the worst turmoil of almost besides Japan and the gov there siding with that country's tobacco industry as far as misinformation campaigns,(fake cancer causers found in ecigs) the UK is having a time there as well. Here's another that works against reason. Loving couple banned from adopting... because husband had 'e-cigarette' | Daily Mail Online

On the other hand the medical professionals especially cardiologists have been banding together to fight the battle againt the Tobacco Product Directive by bringing the debate to the European Commission by way of the org MOVE. M.O.V.E Thunderclap 19th Feb | vapers.org.uk

 

[SIW2]

They will have a tough battle. I always admire the few who stand up against fascist diktats.

 

[Night Hawk]

This is where the consumer action and tobacco harm reduction type advocacy groups come in. It's those type of groups that bring about petitions to submit to the FDA and other agencies as well as raise funds for private research studies. CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk -- PHILADELPHIA, Aug. 8, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

The 22page Tech Report from that study is available for download with the link at the bottom of the blog there or at: BMC Public Health | Full text | Peering through the mist: systematic review of what the chemistry of contaminants in electronic cigarettes tells us about health risks

This is the type of real science you place up against all the Bull of junk science blogs you know who is behind trying to shape the public mindset in a negative fashion with scare tactics like formaldehyde when someone burns a cotton wick having the voltage set way above where anyone would. When the gateway for kids argument fell through that came up again and once called out by the word of faulty testing the next things was nicotine was labeled a deadly toxin but only in ecigs!

Here at least some states have been seeing some real progress. North Dakota for example has just labeled ecigs as non tobacco products and set the minimum age requirement since the FDA has failed to establish anything reasonable as far as the federal mandate. California on the other hand is one of the worst states obviously seeing a lot of Big $$$$$ talking.