Solved Can't edit network document

[s660117]

Hi,
I have run up against an issue where I'm not sure whether things are working as designed. I have a home network - not a homegroup - that is composed of three machines, two running Windows 7 SP1 and one running Windows 8.1.

I login on the Windows 7 desktop and click on Network in Internet Explorer. I then choose to open the Windows 7 laptop, which presents two two network folders - one for all Users and the other for the one user on the machine, who is Abby.

The security settings for the User folder lists -
Everyone
System
Administrators (Abby-PC\Administrators)
Users (Abby-PC\Users)
All have full control with the exception of Users (Abby-PC\Users) which has read and execute.

The security settings for the Abby folder lists -
Everyone
System
Abby (Abby-PC\Abby)
Administrators (Abby-PC\Administrators).
All have full control. In addition, the Abby folder checks the box to include inheritable permissions.

When I open the Abby folder, I find that I have read only access to its documents. I am unable to either edit, create, or delete individual files.

When I open the User folder, however, and navigate to Abby's documents, I find that I have full access and can edit, create, and delete individual files.

I am at a loss to explain why I am restricted when I open Abby's folder and what accounts for the discrepancy between the two.

Any suggestions would be appreciated,
Thanks,
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[Kaktussoft]

You mean User share instead User folder ....correct?
You mean Abbey share instead Abbey folder ....correct?

(I know the Abbey share point to C:\users\Abbey)

 

[s660117]

Yes,
Share is what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
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[Kaktussoft]

Post permissions on share Abbey. (used when accessing share Abbey)
Post permissions on folder Abbey. (used when accessing folder Abbey, so also when accessing folder Abbey through share Users)

Sure EVERYONE has FULL CONTROL on folder users?
Sure EVERYONE has FULL CONTROL on folder Abbey?

 

[s660117]

Kaktussof,
Ok.... the Security Settings I posted above where taken from the My Documents folder under each of the network shares - Abby share and Users share.

When I display the Security Settings for Abby share, I see what is documented in the first attachment -


When I display the Security Settings for Users share, I see what is documented in the second attachment -


I'm not sure what to make of the Account Unknown that can be seen on the Abby share settings. I tried to remove it but was unsuccessful.

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[Kaktussoft]

Post screenshot of the folder Abbey permissions as well please

 

[s660117]

The Security Settings for My Documents are --

 

[s660117]

The Security Settings for My Documents under the Abby share are -



The Security Settings for My Documents under the User share are -



I added Users (Abby-PC\Users) to the settings for Abby share because it wasn't there.
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[Kaktussoft]

\\Abby-PC\Users\Abby brings you to same files as \\Abby-PC\Abby ? (just to be sure). All share permissions I saw are ALLOW permissions. EVERYONE has FULL CONTROL. What happens if you click on effective permissions in "my documents" folder (it should give you all permissions)?

 

[s660117]

If I click on the Users share, I see Abby, Default, and Public.
If I click on the Abby share, I see those folders actually under C:\Users|Abby.

The problem is not unique to the Documents Folder. I also don't have full control access to My Music, My Pictures, etc.

I first changed the tried to change permissions on the Account Unknown object to full control and then tried to delete it entirely. Each time, when I attempted the change, I saw a pop-up which said --

And error occurred while applying security information to C:\Users\Abby\AppData\Local\Application Data
Access is denied.

An additional pop-up stated that the changes may not be propagated properly, in spite of the fact that both changes were reflected in the Security Settings display.

I also added adding the Users group to the Abby share, with the same results.

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[Kaktussoft]

From remote pc ... did you logon to share as Abby? Or default as Guest?

 

[s660117]

I don't login at all.
I just access one or the other - Abby share or Users share - from the Network tab.

 

[chev65]

Seems to me that if you click the "Change Permissions" button from the Advanced Security settings window for "Users" then click the Enable inheritance button it would allow the Users folder to propagate it's security settings to the other Users folders.

You can easily see that it says "not inherited" which is the problem in this case because the Users folder security settings control all folders inside the Users folder, so if inheritance was tampered with it would cause problems accessing all folders inside the Users folder.

In fact the Users folder should be saying "inherited from" then it should say "none" rather than "not inherited" these changes could not have taken place by themselves so only the Admin would know which settings where changed in the past.

 

[Kaktussoft]

richt click "my computer" (on computer that physically has the Abby files) and click "manage". Now click "Shared folders". Now you see: Shares, Sessions and Opened Files (I hope I translated correctly). Click on Sessions and you see who is connected. Is it user Guest? Or...... ?

 

[s660117]

Read only access to networked pc solved

Chev65,
I modified all user groups associated with the Abby Share so that they inherited permissions from C:\Users without effect.
But I do seem to have solved the problem -

I right clicked on the Abby share, clicked on Properties and selected the Sharing tab --


I then selected Advanced Sharing, which brought me to the Advanced Sharing window --


From there, I selected Permissions, which brought me to the Permissions window --


There, I noticed that both Everyone and Administrators had read only capability, while the same user groups had full control under the Uses share.
I changed access to Full Control under the Abby share and was granted full access in all Abby share folders.

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[Kaktussoft]

I told you before it was the Abby share that had wrong permissions. But you never posted the share permissions.

For the folder Abby permissions: Why give Everyone full control??? It should be a private folder of user Abby! Default permission are: System: Full control, Administrators: Full Control, Abby: Full control. the Abby folder checks the box to include inheritable permissions=>don't enable that! Also propogate the permissions you set to underlying objects.

 

[chev65]

Chev65,
I modified all user groups associated with the Abby Share so that they inherited permissions from C:\Users without effect.
But I do seem to have solved the problem -

I right clicked on the Abby share, clicked on Properties and selected the Sharing tab --
View attachment 310102

I then selected Advanced Sharing, which brought me to the Advanced Sharing window --
View attachment 310101

From there, I selected Permissions, which brought me to the Permissions window --
View attachment 310099

There, I noticed that both Everyone and Administrators had read only capability, while the same user groups had full control under the Uses share.
I changed access to Full Control under the Abby share and was granted full access in all Abby share folders.

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It's really impossible to know which adjustments have been made by a user beforehand.

The sharing tab adjustments for the C:Users\Username folder is standard procedure for sharing of the folders inside of the Users folder in Windows 7.

The shares are controlled from the C:\Users folder which is enabled for sharing by Default, but in Windows 7 you also need to allow for sharing via the C:Users\Username folder in order for the Users subfolders to be shared. This is why the lock appears on the Username folder in Windows 7 but not so with Windows 8.

In Windows 8 the subfolders are shared by default for this very reason "to make it easier", then you simply choose the "Share with" then "nobody" for each User folder that you don't want to share. I believe this is why you were confused because Win 8 and 7 are completely different in this respect.