Copy Removable Storage Service from Vista to 7?

[ACaD]

Is it possible to copy the Removable Storage Service from Vista to 7?

 

[iseeuu]

Is it possible to copy the Removable Storage Service from Vista to 7?

ACad; I found this on MSDN:

It is true that Removable Storage Manager (RSM) is no longer supported on Windows 7/Windows Server 2008 R2. Ntbackup, available in Windows XP/Windows Server 2003, depends on RSM to access LTO media. Restoring ntbackup data stored on a RSM-controlled LTO media to Windows 7 is therefore not a supported scenario. **snip** Ntbackup Restore Utility: Download details: Windows NT Backup - Restore Utility

Hope this answers your question?

Robert

 

[ACaD]

Thanks for the reply, iseeuu.

I have been using an LTO drive for backups on XP and then Vista before I installed 7. I unfortunately only realized that RSM was not available after the installation.

Is there a way to copy the RSM from Vista to 7 so I can still use the tape drive? If this is impossible, is there software available to use the drive directly instead of using RSM?

 

[ACaD]

Would Symantec Backup Exec work with an LTO tape drive on 7?

 

[Brainer]

Did you manage to figure out anything re: copying RSM over?

I have an Ultrium LTO-2 tape drive that I'm tying to get working in Win 7.

I've been told that with the correct drivers for your device, you can still
use it in these OSes, but that you must use 3rd party backup software.

I'd like to compare notes if you're still following this thread.


Brainer

 

[theindian]

Did you tried Backup Exec 12.5 / 13 (2010) on Win 7

Hi, I'm not able to install "Backup Exec Server" on my Windows 7. The option is not available in the installation. When I do a "Backup Exec for Windows Servers Environment Check", I've got :​

"This computer is not a member of a domain. The Desktop and Laptop Option cannot be installed on Backup Exec media servers that are not included in domains. The Central Admin Server Option and the Managed Media Server feature are not supported in a workgroup."​

Do someone able to install BES successfully on Windows 7 standalone?​

Thanks　​

 

[Brainer]

Well, just guessing here, but with a name like "Backup Exec Server",
I'm guessing it's not designed for desktop OS like Win 7.

Description fromn
"Comprehensive data protection and recovery for
Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2008, and
2003 - Standard and Premium Editions.
http://eval.symantec.com/mktginfo/enterprise/fact_sheets/b-backup_exec_2010_wsbs_DS.en-us.pdf

I'd guess they might have made the AGENT compatible with Win 7,
but doubtful they made the server run on Win 7. Is there a deskop
version of that program? That might be designed to work on it.

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BTW, I did notice on my Ultrium LTO 2, that Windows 7 automatically
installed as MS driver for it..it just took a while. Since the drive works
great in Linux, I'm going to try some 3rd part backup software in
Windows to see how it works out.

Brainer

 

[WIFT]

Hi there,
I found this thread because I am also disappointed and I am looking for a solution as easy and affordable as the old good NTBackup. Right now I'm using WinXP x64 and I started to migrate to Win7 (also x64). I even managed to get my Adaptec AHA-2940UW work under this OS (which is really NOT seamless process), but in Win7 my HP DAT40 drive is useless and so is my DAT collection.
When I realized that RSM is missing in Win7, I had to ask myself, if MS is really serious about that, because I can imagine that lot of smaller companies use ntbackup with tapes and because of the situation they are unable to migrate to Win7, even if they would want to.
So I'm planning to try to "extract" RMS from WinVista and "force" it to work with Win7. Before I start it, I have a question: Is there some component in Windows Server 2008 R2 that can be used to read/write data from/to tape drive?

 

[theindian]

Hi Wift, for your AHA-2940UW, you could tried this.

64bit driver for adaptec scsi card (winxp64)

Make sure to take Vista x64 (because already signed) version of driver and adjust the .INF to fit with your Hardware ID or your 2940UW

It's work for me with a aha-2940UA. I tweaked too my AHA-2940U2W (aic78u2.sys) with a 2003 driver by signing the .sys but your Windows must run in Test Mode. Use a part of How to create your own code signing certificate and sign an ActiveX component in Windows and drivercert zip - Download from rapidshare.com - Filestube.com (instead downloading 2Go and more from Micro$oft for only less of 1Mo of tools.)

 

[Brainer]

Wift:

Is there more than one version of that Dat40? I'm assuming you are using
the SCSI version of that tape drive?

If so, what's wrong with the drivers published here?


HP StorageWorks DAT Tape Drives- Download drivers and software - HP Business Support Center

Am I missing something you mentioned?

Brainer

Hi there,
I found this thread because I am also disappointed and I am looking for a solution as easy and affordable as the old good NTBackup. Right now I'm using WinXP x64 and I started to migrate to Win7 (also x64). I even managed to get my Adaptec AHA-2940UW work under this OS (which is really NOT seamless process), but in Win7 my HP DAT40 drive is useless and so is my DAT collection.
When I realized that RSM is missing in Win7, I had to ask myself, if MS is really serious about that, because I can imagine that lot of smaller companies use ntbackup with tapes and because of the situation they are unable to migrate to Win7, even if they would want to.
So I'm planning to try to "extract" RMS from WinVista and "force" it to work with Win7. Before I start it, I have a question: Is there some component in Windows Server 2008 R2 that can be used to read/write data from/to tape drive?

 

[WIFT]

> theindian:
I already resolved this using driver from Vista x64 installation and force Win7 to use it. It works and it seems to be much easier than trying to modify infs and sign something although I'm able to do that . Anyway thanks for links, I'm sure they will come in useful .

> Brainer:
My tape drive is this one (sorry, in Czech only, but it's mainly about pictures ), originally external, now internal. Win7 recognizes this drive correctly, I was just curious if there would be something newer on WinUpdate and it was. So it is again easier for me to use something I don't have to download on my own .

 

[theindian]

Hi Wift, My DLT 8000 is now recognized by my Win7 but my problem is which good backup software I could use with my tape drive? Couldn’t use ntbackup because RSM is not anymore exist in Win7, I tried to figure out how to extract RSM from a Vista but in reality, not very simple. Many hours to do the job without know if it’s will work. I tried to install RSM on Vista, then transfer NTBACKUP on this Vista, but it’s didn’t recognized the RSM and my tape drive. I have Backup Exec 8, 9, 10 and 11 but there’re incompatible install with Win7 (same if run in compatibility mode) and couldn’t install. I tried Backup Exec 12 and 13 (2010) but It’s couldn’t install on a PC not in a domain I tried Uranium, Backup Assist, Backup4all, etc. but need to pay a full license to be able to backup on tape (when option is supported is supported)

Question, which software are you using?

Thanks

 

[WIFT]

Right now I am in the same position. I have skipped Vista completely and now I'm in the process of migration from WinXP x64 to Win7 x64. On XP x64 I use NTbackup, on Win7 it's dead end for me right now. The reason why I am here in this thread is in it's title. I would like to transfer RMS from Vista to 7. I even did not start to try it because I'm very busy (job and also private life).

 

[theindian]

Same as you, I’m probably too busy to spend many hours for probably a not working or unstable solution. What I plan is this (I know it’s very tweaky but probably will work! I hope). Same as me, your SCSI is recognized in our Win7. With VMWARE (sure it work with VMW 6.5-156735 on XP Host), install a guest OS as XP (probably will work too with Vista). Then, shutdown the XP guest, and add a Hardware call “Generic SCSI Device” and normally, you supposed to see you Tape drive as TAPE0, etc finish config. Restart your guest XP, you supposed to see your tape drive in your XP. If not, I think you need to install driver in your guest (for myself, I installed nothing and my tape drive was automatically detected). I do this test few weeks ago on MY old XP Host OS. For mylself, I wll spend time on this. Then after, I think you know the forward….

Good luck

 

[WIFT]

theindian, I was thinking about the virtualization stuff as "the last possible solution", if everything else fails

 

[theindian]

Hi Wift, before spending time to copy RSM from Vista to Win7, I installed RSM on my Vista, tried XP NtBackup and didn't detect RSM etc. For me, I'll abandon copy RSM.

 

[WIFT]

There is NTBackup downloadable from Microsoft's web for Vista. I suppose it will work under Win7 too, if there will be RSM.

 

[theindian]

Yep but you have only restore option. Backup option is not available in this tool.

 

[WIFT]

Ooops, I totaly missed that! 8-0
Well, back in the trees then ... (I have to chill out first)

 

[theindian]

Hi Wift, this was I made and it work!!!! For me, this will be my BACKUP solution to move my data offsite.


My Setup:
- Windows 7 Ultimate English – 64Bits (On my test Machine with only (I know it stupid) 1Go with a 40 H.D. but it’s for a test before moving this setup on my new I7-920 with 6Go, 1To h.d.)
- SCSI AHA-2940U2W (for any others readers: Yes, Yes, Yes, I was able to have my old 2940U2W functional in Win7-64Bits. I signed the aic78u2.sys from Win2003-RC2-64 driver with my own test Certificate and I used djsvs.inf (renamed in aic78u2.inf) from Vista-64 with some modif for installation to be able to load in Win7 in “TestMode” but not very elegant. Re.: Win7 must be configured in Test Mode to load a driver with a test certificate but need to live with a watermark or hack your Win7 to have ModeTest watermark disappear. I’m waiting for an used Adaptec 29160 bought on Ebay where supported in Win7 by Adaptec drivers and compatible with a 32Bits PCI slot )
- DLT-8000 with 64Bits driver downloaded from Quantum
- I used VMWare WorkStation 7 (I’m sure it’s work with v6.5 too)
- SCSI and Tape drive MUST be present and working in “Device manager” of the Win7 before continuing.

In VMware:
- Install a Guest Windows XP or directly import your old Physical XP in VM (File, Import or Export and follow instructions), you will virtualized your physical to virtual (P2V)
- When installed, shutdown your Guest XP
- In VMWare, select you’re Virtual Machine, then in VMWare menu, select VM, Setting, Add, Select “Generic SCSI Device”, then if everything is Ok, you supposed to see TAPE0 in list, check the “Connect at power on” box, then finish.
- When return in setting, keep the default in “Virtual device node” list
- Still in Setting, go in “Options” tabs, “Shared Folders” option, share your host drive (Ex.: c:\) or dir as you want. Make sure the “Read Only” option is not Checked if you want restore!
- Check the “Map as a network driver in Windows guest” box – Because NTBackup is too dummy to backup a VMWARE share drive!!!
- Boot your Guest XP
- In my case, VM was mapped my host share to Z:\ in my Guest XP
- You’ll see your tape backup in device manager and in RSM of your Guest XP
- Use NTBACKUP as before!!!!! Or your old backup software from your Old XP. Just go, like in my case z:\, to select and so one…
- I’m very surprise by the performance (of my elephant) with one 1Go on my Hosts! I’m hurry to receive my 29160 and move this setup to my I7.