Disable forever. "Special permissions"

[calemus]

have you made yourself owner on drive, all folders subfolders yadayada yada?
have you replaced all permisions on said drive being worked on?

dwnld the 3 best tweakers from the bottom of this page Speed Up Windows 7 – Get the best out of Windows 7 | Windows 7 Themes

and make the product you bought YOURS and MAKE it do what you want, only after granting yourself ownership, and full permissions, and using these tweakers
if you still have questions them ask them

 

[FILMGUY]

have you made yourself owner on drive, all folders subfolders yadayada yada?
have you replaced all permisions on said drive being worked on?

dwnld the 3 best tweakers from the bottom of this page Speed Up Windows 7 – Get the best out of Windows 7 | Windows 7 Themes

and make the product you bought YOURS and MAKE it do what you want, only after granting yourself ownership, and full permissions, and using these tweakers
if you still have questions them ask them

I should hope you're NOT speaking to either DARK41 or myself "Mr. 1 Post" - are you??? :sarc:

Everyone, it is appropriate on a forum when your topic is not specifically related, to start a new thread of your own. So, unless you are having issues with permissions in both your OS's file system as well as you registry and are adept enough to understand, basic permissions, user accounts, etc. and still find it impossible to manipulate files, install particular software, continually end up with returned errors regarding regular application or system operation not having permission to access the registry, and all manner of other out of character permission issues that only apply to Windows 7, START A NEW THREAD AND DO NOT POST IN THIS ONE!

Otherwise, feel free to contribute, ask questions, etc. This thread could likely be condensed to one page or so that is ON TOPIC instead of five. Many here boast of their prowess with computers, the Internet, Windows 7 etc.; please apply all of that intellect as well when deciding on whether or not it is appropriate to start a new thread about your topic, read a thread learn from it and pass it by, etc. etc. Come on, if everyone has all of this intellect with computers, where is the forum decorum?

But the problem we're (Filmguy and myself) describing wouldn't be effected in any way, shape, or form by which account you use to log on. I could take ownership of these files/folders as administrator and still do nothing more than read them.

I could not have said it better myself. Cheers!

 

[calemus]

little smart alic?

yeah actually i was talkin to you
and anyone els i can help or learn from

thats what were supposed to be here for

anyhow

i figure everyone should have control of thier PC like i said earlier
if they dont then get it

what part of that didnt u understand?

so, has anyone ever taken control of root?
does anyone know HOW to work in root?
there is no part of ur PC u cant access if you just know how to get there

 

[dark41]

yeah actually i was talkin to you
and anyone els i can help or learn from

thats what were supposed to be here for

anyhow

i figure everyone should have control of thier PC like i said earlier
if they dont then get it

what part of that didnt u understand?

so, has anyone ever taken control of root?
does anyone know HOW to work in root?
there is no part of ur PC u cant access if you just know how to get there

I suspect that Filmguy didn't understand how anyone could read the entire thread, and then ask the questions that you just did, and offer what's already been offered before as a solution. Its baffling to me that you could have read the entire thread and then take 2 steps backwards with your response, so I'll assume for your benefit that you haven't read it all.

At any rate, everything in your post has been addressed/answered previously.

Since you want to learn, I also suspect you'll learn a lot more if you read entire threads. People will appreciate your advice too when its evident that you're providing new information rather than stating the same things others have said numerous times. But hey, just a suggestion.

 

[FILMGUY]

My interactions here are done; I am not into futility..

yeah actually i was talkin to you
and anyone els i can help or learn from

thats what were supposed to be here for

anyhow

i figure everyone should have control of thier PC like i said earlier
if they dont then get it

what part of that didnt u understand?

so, has anyone ever taken control of root?
does anyone know HOW to work in root?
there is no part of ur PC u cant access if you just know how to get there

Whatever... Grow up. Besides the root of an MS-DOS -Windows 7 / Windows Server 2008 R2 is the top of the file structure of any given partition. I can CHMOD my way to big old "/" on one of our Linux systems and that has nothing to do with any of this. If you dual-boot, run your commands, play and learn, perhaps you can educate a number of people on how to do things that should never need done "the hard way..."

I am out of here. Last post here. I need a new leisure time activity, for DARK41 posted this was his; I have known for some years now posting or interacting on forums is not mine. I read continually, but contributing always seems to bring out folks such as you with nothing of value to say and make all of this look like a competition and trivialize and diminish what everyone's original intentions are or should be.

DARK,you know test mode has not worked in years (well at least not in server... I am in Test Mode now and unsigned drivers are a NO-GO..) So since that filter driver looked interesting I am going to officially sign it as MS certified and if I ever find an excellent use for it I'll PM you. It would not have helped me but, I am confident it would have taken care of the trouble your better-half had... I'll try and find time to go through the signing process pretty soon; if you need it for some reason, PM me. I am going to leave Seven Forums as a poster, but I will set my PM box to email with any Personal Messages I might receive. I'm off; in quest of something like you have (forum posting as leisure-time activity...) I certainly need find some sort of leisure-time activity as I am getting burned out on so many things these days and enduring posts like CALEMUS's just are not it for me!

 

[dark41]

Filmguy,
I got tired of the boot to safe mode thing to allow unsigned drivers, so downloaded a little program called dseo13b.exe, which of course turns test mode off/on. Seems to work pretty well for me, but I havent used it since last format and installing my sound card drivers. I envy your patience to manually sign drivers, as I could never be bothered. My opinion is that this is another safety feature of Win 7 that might save lesser experienced users to some degree, but make life miserable for those of us who like to think we know what we're doing.

Its a shame that you're not going to post anymore as you have a lot to offer these venues. Myself, I don't take anything these posters say personally, and take most of it with a grain of salt. I imagine that being admin for Napster and SlavaNap chat rooms for roughly 10 years (back in the day) helped to make me immune to such behaviour.

Little things like the "Ubuntu" in the sig tell me a lot about a person. Normally I'd say something like "a real man would use Slackware 7!" The sad part is that most Ubuntu users wouldn't understand the humor in that. But since I don't want to insult anyone I'll leave it at that. (Or did I just do so? hmmm) And then there's the difinition of "root" in Australia, which has nothing to do with computers. I'll shut up now as I've strayed far enough off-topic.

 

[ahplachaos]

My computer's got a Ghost folder

 

[FILMGUY]

Filmguy,
I got tired of the boot to safe mode thing to allow unsigned drivers, so downloaded a little program called dseo13b.exe, which of course turns test mode off/on. Seems to work pretty well for me, but I havent used it since last format and installing my sound card drivers. I envy your patience to manually sign drivers, as I could never be bothered. My opinion is that this is another safety feature of Win 7 that might save lesser experienced users to some degree, but make life miserable for those of us who like to think we know what we're doing.

Its a shame that you're not going to post anymore as you have a lot to offer these venues. Myself, I don't take anything these posters say personally, and take most of it with a grain of salt. I imagine that being admin for Napster and SlavaNap chat rooms for roughly 10 years (back in the day) helped to make me immune to such behaviour.

Little things like the "Ubuntu" in the sig tell me a lot about a person. Normally I'd say something like "a real man would use Slackware 7!" The sad part is that most Ubuntu users wouldn't understand the humor in that. But since I don't want to insult anyone I'll leave it at that. (Or did I just do so? hmmm) And then there's the difinition of "root" in Australia, which has nothing to do with computers. I'll shut up now as I've strayed far enough off-topic.

Yeah, Dark these days with the weight of the World on me sometimes I get a bit well too bent about things that simply do not matter. I have DSEO here somewhere as well (or something like it...) It is quick and dirty and works well. I (had) not had the need to use it when I just started forging signatures (well the MS way...) and found out after my post that without further investigation, the kits are NOT x64 compatible for some reason. I may just have the wrong releases, or perhaps it hates Enterprise OS's or Server 08 R2; don't know...

I would tend to think without running the insult route too heavily, that individual I got all bent over because he simply had no idea what he was taking about, not only has no idea what Slackware is, but as well would last a few seconds with a command-line only system...

Cheer Sir!

 

[Spira]

Well i have also problem with permisions. I have changed the default location of Myfiles(My Pictures, Music etc) to my 2nd drive. The problems appears when i reinstall windows i can't access some files. Changing permissions sometimes works but somotimes have to change each subfolder to change all permissions. What i found as solution is to change the permissions of my 2nd drive where myfiles are stored to everyone and full access. It seems to work.

 

[fseal]

Well i have also problem with permisions. I have changed the default location of Myfiles(My Pictures, Music etc) to my 2nd drive. The problems appears when i reinstall windows i can't access some files. Changing permissions sometimes works but somotimes have to change each subfolder to change all permissions. What i found as solution is to change the permissions of my 2nd drive where myfiles are stored to everyone and full access. It seems to work.

That is normal and expected. Those file belonged to the old user on your old windows install.

Unless you used the file and settings transfer wizard to transfer your old user account and all his "my files", then the new window sinstall is a new user (Even if the name is the same).

At that point youwimply retake ownership of the old users files with your new user account and all is well.

Now...

Someone mentioned "Documents and Settings"...

This is NOT a real folder on Windows 7 The reason you can't directly manipulate or delete files from that folder is that it really isn't there and neither are the files.

The files are actually located in your user's account folder and the documents and settings folder is anothing more than a link to a folder in your c:\Users\<username> folder. It is a mechanism that allows backwards compatibility with POORLY WRITTEN programs (Some from MS itself). You can access the files FROM those programs but you must navigate to your users folder to get direct access to them where you CAN delete them if you want as your normal user. "Documents and Settings" doesn't even exist on most W7 machines, it doesn't exist on any of my machines. It's only created by the OS in the presense of one of the afore mentioned poorly writtten programs...

As for demanding "Full control" of your machine. I put it to you (whoever it applies to) that until you know exactly how your machine works, you should NOT have full control over it. Further; Merely making the satatement that you deserve full control means you DON'T know how the machine works and therefor do not deserve full control over it. I DO know how my machine works and I KNOW that my normal user account and even the admin account do not deserve default permissions to do anything they want (Though admin CAN change those permissions if they FULLY understand the consequences of doing so, then putting thm back when done with their immediate work)

 

[Spira]

Hmmm i didn't know the existance of windows easy tranfer, but i found this article Windows 7 : Easy Transfer Files, Users and Settings and i think it is usefull when you want to tranfer settings on other computer. My personals files are 280Gb and wizard needs to be backup up. I don't have another drive and probably would take a lot of time to complete.

 

[fseal]

Generally when I use the transfer wizard I actually skip transfering user files. Only the IE prefs, mail and user account. Then I just leave my user files on the secondary drive (If you keep them there), they are then automatically still owned by you in the new system. Even copying your user files off to an external drive by hand then back afterwards works well and takes less time than letting the transfer wizard do it. BUT the transfer wizard, though slow, really works well if you just want to let it do it's thing and can wait.

 

[Spira]

Well this is a usefull advice then, thanks! Do you know how to restore my previous security settings or do i have to it manually?

 

[meicalnissyen]

That ain't gonna happen - you cannot log in as TrustedInstaller / System, and that is the privilege set you'll need to not have those permissions there.

If you think you know your system that well, why upgrade to Vista / W7? get XP and you'll have full control - and will need 3 layers of protection that this one feature alone helps prevent....

If you cannot take control of the folders, there is not much you can do, short of (possibly) logging into Vista and taking control there.

I am confused by your reply.

I, for example, would like to drag and drop a folder from my E drive, to the my music folder on the C drive

can't do it
full control is granted to everyone, admin bla bla
cant do it

the tone of your response to the OP suggests that this feature is an improvement, and that if we don't like it we should go back to XP and install triple layer antivirus


this isnt "protection", it simply an annoyance

 

[meicalnissyen]

Well i have also problem with permisions. I have changed the default location of Myfiles(My Pictures, Music etc) to my 2nd drive. The problems appears when i reinstall windows i can't access some files. Changing permissions sometimes works but somotimes have to change each subfolder to change all permissions. What i found as solution is to change the permissions of my 2nd drive where myfiles are stored to everyone and full access. It seems to work.

That is normal and expected. Those file belonged to the old user on your old windows install.


As for demanding "Full control" of your machine. I put it to you (whoever it applies to) that until you know exactly how your machine works, you should NOT have full control over it. Further; Merely making the satatement that you deserve full control means you DON'T know how the machine works and therefor do not deserve full control over it. I DO know how my machine works and I KNOW that my normal user account and even the admin account do not deserve default permissions to do anything they want (Though admin CAN change those permissions if they FULLY understand the consequences of doing so, then putting thm back when done with their immediate work)

So, It is unreasonable for me attempt to drag a folder named "tones" with 7 mp3 files in it into the "my music" folder in a user acct?????

 

[fseal]

Of course not, but the OP had changed the structure of his "my" folders and in the process caused a permission problem. WHat you DON'T want is for anyone ELSE to be able to drag files into YOUR folders. Also files that belong to other users are not your account's to drag and drop where you like either. That's what the permission system is for.

Under normal circumstances this is never an issue, but sometimes people peek and poke and move things around without really knowing what's going on and they can get into situations where the permissions "get in the way". However once you understand what's happening (which should happen before moving things around too much) it's easy to fix in most cases.

 

[msk142]

Take ownership!!!

The reg patch is like a gift from above!!! I was ready to set my PC on fire. Migrate the take ownership reg string into the registry by clicking on it. The actual windows drive (in my case C is a bit picky so you have to open the drive to root and right click each folder chosing the new "take ownership" option in the menu, then TADA. . . The annoying messages go away. Who the hell did that system guy think he was anyways??

 

[fseal]

Take Ownership is also one of the fastest ways of bricking your system if you use it on the wrong folder.

You should only use it on your own files (which may have been created on a previous or some other windows machine with a seperate account ID), and in rare cases a program folder under c:\Programs, never on the root of the C drive or C:/Windows or any subfolders of the windows folder.

Take Ownership is merely a shortcut way of using the permission system directly (Right click, properties, security). It's ease of use is handy, but a lot of people get into trouble by overusing it on things that it's not needed on.

 

[7mustang4]

Permissions prevents program installation

Win 7 Professional 32-bit
I have encountered a problem when trying to install some programs that is somehow related to permissions. I just tried to install Photoshop Elements. The install proceeds to a point and then I receive a msg. the Organizer installer does not have permission to access a certain file. The install fails at this point. This has happened with other programs too. I have tried logging on as Admin., Run as Admin., & Safe Mode w/o success. I tried to Take Ownership but could not find the referenced file in Explorer (probably blocked by permissions again). I have also spent several hours searching through various forums and MS Knowledge Base but could not find an answer to this problem.

This is very aggravating, all these damn permissions! I'm about ready to go back to XP! Is there some way to resolve: 1) my specific installation problem; 2) turn off all these permission blocks?

 

[FILMGUY]

This is very aggravating, all these damn permissions! I'm about ready to go back to XP! Is there some way to resolve: 1) my specific installation problem; 2) turn off all these permission blocks?

Answer to Question 1) --->

Yes, re-installation of the OS, I know you do not want to hear that, but be glad your system likely does not take 300 to 400 hours to reinstall and configure as our machines did once hitting the "supposedly non-existent" permissions issue - read the entire thread for the sad story...

Answer to Question 2) --->

No, you cannot turn off "all of these permission blocks." While I wish they did not exist most of the time for they are of no use to me and are only noticed when something "goes wrong" - otherwise the annoyance is transparent or a non-issue, they are part of the package.

The only "solutions" are to not use Windows 7, Windows Server 2008/R2 at all and go back to XP, 2003 or NT, or if you are willing to waste time with "hope" (which it is doubtful to help...) you can shut off driver signing and use the driver mentioned in this thread that will grant you root access to the entire hard drive. Since this issue is an uncommon registry related problem essentially of unkown origin, it is far more likely you fix nothing with that method and merely do more harm than good; see post above warning of folks hosing their machines with incorrectly applied permissions...

Re-installation on such complex systems as we run is a PITA, but this is one of two strange bugs that crop up that Microsoft's new permissions make it essentially impossible to fix and they continue to deny their existance. The second "system-stopper" that could have been easily fixed when permission was granted to the Admin in ALL OF THE registry (like XP and prior) is the bug that causes USB storgae media drivers to fail. The keys could have been deleted and reinstalled in XP, not any longer; if your system gets this USB mass storage device driver "bug" - there is still only one known fix for it; the same as permissions, reinstall the OS. I more than anyone hate to utter such words as this is MS's universal response to ANYTHING that is not included on a support individual's computer screen, but it is one of a few sad realities of the new Microsoft OS's.

Maybe one day they will fix such a simple bug as the dam "auto-hide" taskbar option that temporarily locks up W7 systems after a screensaver, screen shutdown, or hibernation event... Good luck with that one too... No known universal fix for that I've seen yet, though it did not occur in WS08/R2 at all... (That is WS08/R2 that has been converted to run with the same GUI as W7.)