Do you believe in aliens?

[Arc]

^^picture of innocence eh arc ??

Flash Gordon, Dale Arden and Dr. Zarkov .... I know everything about them . I read a lot of comics on them, fighting agains Ming, fighting against Scorpies and other alien antagonists . You cannot address me innocent

 

[rraod]

Archie! meet Flesh Gordon ...

 

[Arc]

Archie! meet Flesh Gordon ...

I did, after Qdos's post

May have been, but Flesh Gordon was slightly different LOL!

 

[Qdos]

Quite something given it was 1974...

 

[LeeRiley]

I'll tell you one thing about the universe, though. The universe is a pretty big place. It's bigger than anything anyone has ever dreamed of before. So if it's just us... seems like an awful waste of space. Right?

from one of my favourite movies, Contact.

if you're a bit of a geek, i reckon you'll enjoy the movie too...

That would make me a geek because this is easily in my top 5!

 

[Qdos]

Bit of an anti-climax at the end though...

 

[Everlong]

Of course, my answer is obvious, but I can't explain why without violating forum rules. Even if I were to limit my explanations to logic, that would take much more time and space than is practical for this thread.

EDIT: It would be easier to go the reverse...most people who believe in aliens, do so with the logic that the vastness of the universe requires life on other planets just by citing the odds.

So I visit a remote mountain lake. I see it has fish in it. Am I to automatically assume this is the only mountain lake to have fish in it, and every other remote lake is to have none despite not visiting any other lake?

Or say I'm told that the ocean has fish in it, but I've never seen one. I go out to the ocean with a glass and scoop up water, but I don't catch any fish in my glass. Is my conclusion that because I didn't catch any in such a small sample of water, there isn't any?

 

[LeeRiley]

The film ended perfect for the, the way things were portrayed was, in my eyes, an elegant way of doing so.

Everlong has a very strong point, I'm skeptical on what is/could be out there but I wouldn't go as far as saying WE are the only intelligent life living.

 

[seekermeister]

Of course, my answer is obvious, but I can't explain why without violating forum rules. Even if I were to limit my explanations to logic, that would take much more time and space than is practical for this thread.

EDIT: It would be easier to go the reverse...most people who believe in aliens, do so with the logic that the vastness of the universe requires life on other planets just by citing the odds.

So I visit a remote mountain lake. I see it has fish in it. Am I to automatically assume this is the only mountain lake to have fish in it, and every other remote lake is to have none despite not visiting any other lake?

Or say I'm told that the ocean has fish in it, but I've never seen one. I go out to the ocean with a glass and scoop up water, but I don't catch any fish in my glass. Is my conclusion that because I didn't catch any in such a small sample of water, there isn't any?

I believe that what your logic is called is a red herring:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...6BJFSYlIeGu5oUO5Q&sig2=fUKR3x0F_G4Vg2ZOxcsQqQ

 

[LeeRiley]

Deep...

 

[seekermeister]

LeeRiley,

Everlong has a very strong point, I'm skeptical on what is/could be out there but I wouldn't go as far as saying WE are the only intelligent life living.

We aren't. We are just the only physical intelligent life.

 

[Arc]

LeeRiley,

Everlong has a very strong point, I'm skeptical on what is/could be out there but I wouldn't go as far as saying WE are the only intelligent life living.

We aren't. We are just the only physical intelligent life.

On Earth ? On The Sun's solar system ? On Milky-way galaxy ? On our Galactic (Milkyway, Andromeda, Large Magellanic Cloud and Small Magellanic Cloud) local cluster ?

Or on what scale ? Do we even know what is the all possible sets of scales ? Who can guarantee, and on what basis that there is not a planet beyond trillions of parsecs where all the possible conditions of development of life and evolution fulfills, and it happened many a years ago ? Or, just in a primitive stage ?

Moreover, in which degree of certainty we could speak that the condition of earth is the only feasible condition of development of intelligent being ?

A very little probability becomes a huge amount, based on how large the population is, and universe is infinite, in true sense .

 

[Dinesh]

LeeRiley,

Everlong has a very strong point, I'm skeptical on what is/could be out there but I wouldn't go as far as saying WE are the only intelligent life living.

We aren't. We are just the only physical intelligent life.

On Earth ? On The Sun's solar system ? On Milky-way galaxy ? On our Galactic (Milkyway, Andromeda, Large Magellanic Cloud and Small Magellanic Cloud) local cluster ?

Or on what scale ? Do we even know what is the all possible sets of scales ? Who can guarantee, and on what basis that there is not a planet beyond trillions of parsecs where all the possible conditions of development of life and evolution fulfills, and it happened many a years ago ? Or, just in a primitive stage ?

Moreover, in which degree of certainty we could speak that the condition of earth is the only feasible condition of development of intelligent being ?

A very little probability becomes a huge amount, based on how large the population is, and universe is infinite, in true sense .

OK you win.

 

[Arc]

OK you win.

Not me But Black Holes and baby Universes and Other Essays

 

[LeeRiley]

Arc, you sure know how to stun someone in their place huh? Well bloody said!

 

[Everlong]

Of course, my answer is obvious, but I can't explain why without violating forum rules. Even if I were to limit my explanations to logic, that would take much more time and space than is practical for this thread.

EDIT: It would be easier to go the reverse...most people who believe in aliens, do so with the logic that the vastness of the universe requires life on other planets just by citing the odds.

So I visit a remote mountain lake. I see it has fish in it. Am I to automatically assume this is the only mountain lake to have fish in it, and every other remote lake is to have none despite not visiting any other lake?

Or say I'm told that the ocean has fish in it, but I've never seen one. I go out to the ocean with a glass and scoop up water, but I don't catch any fish in my glass. Is my conclusion that because I didn't catch any in such a small sample of water, there isn't any?

I believe that what your logic is called is a red herring:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...6BJFSYlIeGu5oUO5Q&sig2=fUKR3x0F_G4Vg2ZOxcsQqQ

And can you explain where my error in logic is? I've used an analogy that's closer to home.

 

[Tews]

You will never see an alien in your life. Besides Brink

I beg to differ with you sir!!

 

[panais]

You will never see an alien in your life. Besides Brink

I beg to differ with you sir!!

 

[ICIT2LOL]

This was a fun thread.
Now that the serious philisophical issues have gone unresolved they should be continued on a different thread if desired by others... :focus:

Well Hoppy I still stand by what I said and anyway we have proof they exist - you're riding one!:roflmao:

Topper is on vacation.
He left the UK last week. They had too much snow.
He was headed for a walk about down under.

So don't be surprised when he shows up knocking at your door wanting to check his email and log in to seven forums.

Hide the Guinness.

Cripes Hoppy I hope he wears that lippy again and I think he / she errr whatever could do with some decent eyeliner too mate - you cutting down on his errrr her oh blow it I'm all confused now. Toppie's allowance?

Why Guinness mate he' - no aint goin there again - will have to settle for coffee - don't drink (booze anymore)

 

[DustSailor]

You will never see an alien in your life. Besides Brink

I beg to differ with you sir!!

Dang, should have known you'd come back to planet earth again, Tews! Its all those gorgeous blondes we have here huh?