Do you believe in aliens?

[pincushion]

As for those who have posted the videos regarding the relative size of the Earth, it should be noted that bigger is not better. Those planets that are very large are gas giants, often referred to as Hot Jupiters, where even the scientists do not believe that life in any form could exist. When they search for planets they believe could be habitable, they are looking for planets of similar size to the Earth. and those at a distance from their star which would provide a habitable temperature, so far they have found none. Of course, they have only found ~200 bodies that they refer to as planets, so it could be argued that they will find many more, but it really doesn't matter whether they do or not, because if by some fluke they did find a planet exactly like the Earth, it will be so distant that science will never be able to find a means to travel there to explore it, therefore will never find any life on it. Still, that will never prevent the machinations that they will theorize.

For the time period that we have been seriously looking for other planets it seems that your remarks are a bit premature - another earth-like planet recently -

New super-earth detected within the habitable zone of a nearby star

and your estimate (~200) is a factor of ten out as of now -

11 New Alien Solar Systems Crammed with Exoplanets : Discovery News

Regarding the immensity of the universe and how long we have actually been looking then it is quite justifiable to assume that many planets similar to earth will exist elsewhere with the possibility of life forming as well.

Unless we do discover a mechanism for travelling to far distant worlds - which is possible - then perhaps we will not be going to them or being visited for a very long time. I think it is just part of the natural human ego-centrism (that we daily apply to other creatures) to think we are alone and somehow the endpoint of evolution or some other plan.

:huh: :shock:

ps Just found the estimated number of planets (in our galaxy alone) -

http://news.discovery.com/space/milky-way-stuffed-with-100-billion-alien-worlds-120110.html

and this -

http://news.discovery.com/space/do-aliens-go-invisible-by-going-green-120207.html

Personally I think it is purely a timescale issue - approximately 14 billion years from start of our universe and the short timescale we have been emitting radiation and looking for it - what are the chances of other civilisations being within range?

 

[Influx]

Logically, we are aliens. Thumbs up if you know what I mean.

 

[manhunter2826]

Logically, we are aliens. Thumbs up if you know what I mean.

:roflmao:

 

[boogieboy]

Yes i believe Aliens do exist.. the truth is out there... doo dooouu doo dooouu doo doooooouu (X-Files Theme)

 

[Influx]

Based on the poll results, Most SF Members believe in aliens, (reasonably).

 

[manhunter2826]

.....aliens, yes; karma, no

 

[DustSailor]

Based on the poll results, Most SF Members believe in aliens, (reasonably).

You believe in something that you have never seen...

Perhaps you are among some who now won't be so quick to judge others who do the same

 

[Britton30]

who else misses the x files ??

I miss Skully
There is direct evidence of ET visits to Earth. Some aren't disguised well though.
Dennis Rodman, Chicago Bulls.


More seriously, humans are in the minority of life forms here. More live in water, dolphins are very intelligent as well.
I believe in air and wind too, although I have never seen either.

 

[Influx]

Based on the poll results, Most SF Members believe in aliens, (reasonably).

You believe in something that you have never seen...

Perhaps you are among some who now won't be so quick to judge others who do the same

Belief is not necessarily based on absolute substantial evidence. Belief in aliens is based on probability, statistics, and biology. I can stipulate aliens exist but I may not assert it as a fact.

 

[Hopalong X]

Based on the poll results, Most SF Members believe in aliens, (reasonably).

You believe in something that you have never seen...

Perhaps you are among some who now won't be so quick to judge others who do the same

Belief is not necessarily based on absolute substantial evidence. Belief in aliens is based on probability, statistics, and biology. I can stipulate aliens exist but I may not assert it as a fact.

+1
You can't prove they do or don't exist.
It is within the realm of possibility.

 

[Everlong]

Based on the poll results, Most SF Members believe in aliens, (reasonably).

You believe in something that you have never seen...

Perhaps you are among some who now won't be so quick to judge others who do the same

We believe in something that has happened elsewhere just as it's happened on our own planet.

The link that I posted should be ample explanation of what I said. If it isn't, then it would be pointless for me to try to explain further. Either accept it or don't...you choice.

My logic is fine, but for you, I'll put it in to a much simpler reasoning:

1) I can't see any fish where I'm stood in the ocean
2) Therefore, fish don't exist in the ocean

Is this deductive conclusion a fair conclusion? I've not studied the rest of the ocean, yet I've arrived at a conclusion just from the small area of the ocean that I am in.

Or how about this:

I have a 100 sided dice. The probability of rolling a 1 is 1 in 100, or 1% chance. After a few rolls I eventually roll a 1. I've now proved it's possible to roll a 1, despite only that 1% chance. If I roll the dice again I'm certain I could roll another 1.

 

[MRValiant]

There are a few aliens among us on this forum. You just have to know where to look.

 

[Arc]

Why do you feel that using many words to weave a simple thought is necessary?

Not always, but sometimes! It depends.

Is that just to express yourself, or to try to convolute the the question to make it more complicated to answer?

Complication is an idea that differs.

Whatever your purpose the end result is that you have repeated what has already been said. The words may differ, but the ideas are the same.

So it is clear, I hope.

Life is nothing but permutation and combination of various elements. Elements are formed in the stars . Stars are almost evenly spread in the galaxies, and galaxies are almost evenly spread in the space. The possibility of life is mere, but it cannot be nullified, as it exists.

 

[pincushion]

In line with many of the comments about the existence of things that without us looking (with the aid of science) we would be unaware of e.g. communication between dolphins and

Tiny primate 'talks' in ultrasound

Rather clever little creatures eh?

:huh: :huh:

 

[DustSailor]

1) I can't see any fish where I'm stood in the ocean
2) Therefore, fish don't exist in the ocean

Is this deductive conclusion a fair conclusion? I've not studied the rest of the ocean, yet I've arrived at a conclusion just from the small area of the ocean that I am in.

Or how about this:

I have a 100 sided dice. The probability of rolling a 1 is 1 in 100, or 1% chance. After a few rolls I eventually roll a 1. I've now proved it's possible to roll a 1, despite only that 1% chance. If I roll the dice again I'm certain I could roll another 1.

Hey Everlong! I hope you don't take anything I say as my attempt at bashing, I mean it just for arguement's sake (and I realize I am butting in once again) -

At this moment, I am not trying to prove or disprove that aliens exist, but I do so love to argue.

Saying there aren't any fish in the ocean because you can't see them is absurd, I know. But claiming that there are fish in the ocean when you've never seen any is also absurd, because this theory has not been proven. This is the classic deductive vs inductive reasonings. Deductive reasoning claims there is a good chance and that it is reasonable to believe, and inductive reasoning says not to claim anything without a complete list of straight facts. So to claim there are fish in the ocean may make sence based on the sheer number of word of mouth people who have seen them, so it is reasonable to deduce that there are indeed fish in the ocean (though always the best way to find out is to search for them yourself, as the 'masses' often get things wrong too).

Likewise, saying aliens are a 1 in 100 chance may not be accurate. Keep in mind, though many believe in aliens, this does not mean they exist, nor does it mean they don't. There may even be a 0% chance that aliens exist (none), so a dice roll wouldn't even matter in this case!

I myself am surprised in the poll. I grew up where people would straight make fun of you for believing in aliens, though I guess we were just kids at the time. There is no reason to make fun of anyone for what they believe, just because it differs from what you believe.

Hope we can keep these arguements going, but civil! I'm getting good at this devil's advocate thing.

 

[Shadowjk]

I think other life forms exist somewhere but not as advanced as (Bacteria level) and Not the typical green large eyed alien

 

[Arc]

Well said, Josh !
The shape of a creature depends on the environment in which it lives, due to the process of evolution . If the size of earth had been like Jupiter, we might have been much shorter and stronger , due to it's gravity .

 

[Shadowjk]

+1 to that Arc!! Ohh and congrats on SF Team haven't been online in a while and just noticed

 

[Arc]

Thanks a lot, mate

 

[manhunter2826]

There are a few aliens among us on this forum. You just have to know where to look.

lol. go on -- name names !!! j/k