Issue with retail?

[hyunho]

So I just clean installed Windows 7 Professional 64 bit. I previously had the Windows 7 RC for the past couple months. The thing is I've been getting these pop up messages saying "You need administrator permission to do this, continue?" and it's getting really annoying. I never got that message once when I was on the RC. What's up with that?

 

[torrentg]

It's user account control. See here:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/299-user-account-control-uac-change-notification-settings.html

 

[Barman58]

As far as I am aware there is no difference between the default setting for UAC in the RC and RTM (retail).

There will of course be a lot of prompts from the default setting of UAC when performing the intitial set-ups of Windows 7 when installing software etc.

This will lessen as the system matures

If this is really an issue for you you may want to consider setting UAC to the lowest available level until you have completed your set-ups.

I would advise you to run with UAC in place and set to at least the second level from the top during normal running but this is of course only something you can decide for your needs

 

[hyunho]

It's not UAC. On retail I kept UAC on the 2nd to lowest level, but I've NEVER seen this stupid confirmation everytime I even just drag a file or folder from one place to another. My account is the only account, and it's an administrator type account. I realize it's not "THE" administrator, but I don't want to log in as the administrator normally. Like, in C:\Users I never had an Administrator folder in there in the RC. It was just Public and Mine.

 

[Barman58]

Ok, that looks like a permissions issue rather than UAC.

Can I assume that the Folders/Files concerned are ones that are on a location that existed prior to your install of the retail, or as ones that have been restored into the install?

Assuming this, you need to set the permissions for these folders to include your current user (when running as the standard user not elevated, NTFS permissions are tied to the files and not the OS so will survive a re-install.

If you take ownership of the folders trees involved and add your user name to the full permissions then you should not see the prompt again.

To confirm this is the reason check the permissions on a file you have issues with and you should see an unknown user with an ID starting with S followed by a lot of numbers - This will be the token from your user in the RC install which the Retail does not recognise, (user names may be the same to us but the system uses these tokens which are unique to each install

 

[hyunho]

Yes, I'm dealing with files and folders that I backed up on an external. But I just created a new folder within my C drive, and tried to cut and paste it, and it still told me that I need administrator permission. It's not preventing me from doing anything, it's just annoying having to click continue every time that administrator permission window comes up.

For files that cause the pop-up to occur, the "owner" of the file is "Administrators" instead of my account name.

 

[Barman58]

I agree it can be very frustrating.

It's an issue that's existed since the original NT and it will stay I think as long as NTFS remains.

The new install will set the owner of all these type of files to the administrators group, which will of course cause UAC to prompt for elevation, (this is the prompt you are receiving although not looking like a standard UAC prompt), when you try to manipulate the files as your Standard level user.

adding full control to you standard user will prevent this, though you may need to take ownership to apply the rights.

As for the prompt when creating the folder this may well be related as the increase in security on the Windows 7 system drive - a lot of locations are added to the administrators group control only by default. this may be even more complex when dealing with the program files folders as these have extra protection.

When performing the permissions changes the temporary disabling of the UAC can make things less frustrating as with UAC off you are a full member of the administrators group as per XP and the system will allow you to add your standard user to permissions without taking ownership

 

[zigzag3143]

Yes, I'm dealing with files and folders that I backed up on an external. But I just created a new folder within my C drive, and tried to cut and paste it, and it still told me that I need administrator permission. It's not preventing me from doing anything, it's just annoying having to click continue every time that administrator permission window comes up.

For files that cause the pop-up to occur, the "owner" of the file is "Administrators" instead of my account name.

H

Im just passing thru but it seems like a simple solution would be to take ownership of the entire folder. there are instructions on how here http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/1911-take-ownership-shortcut.html?ltr=T

Hope this helps

Ken

 

[hyunho]

Can it be used to take ownership of my whole C drive?
For example, I just reinstalled AIM 6.9 (because I like it more than 7). On the RC I had no trouble editing some of the files to remove the ads and plugin buttons, but on Windows 7 it says that my "administrator" account doesn't have permission to modify the files. wth

 

[TheSchaft]

Can it be used to take ownership of my whole C drive?

Yes, you can, but it will take a long time. I'd recommend doing it on a folder basis for the programs/files you are having issues with or want to change.

To see how time intensive it can be, try taking ownership of something like System32.

 

[hyunho]

My friend just told me that he believes that on the RC, it is defaulted so that the user account I made was "The Administrator" account, which is why I had no problems with permissions. And he just recommended that I disable "The Administrator" account and just rename it to my name and it'll be just like the RC was for me.

 

[garysgold]

I don't consider it wise to always run as full admin. If something bad manages to get in, it will have full reign of the computer. Windows Seven security is, for the most part, gone.

 

[TheSchaft]

An addendum to my post above: It isn't a good idea to change the permissions on a folder like System32 - you will break some functionality.

I would STRONGLY recommend taking ownership of only the files you have issues with.

 

[torrentg]

Go to user accounts in control panel. Click on change your account type. Make it admin.
Not most secure but how 99.9% people run and generally fine for the most part.

If you can't do this, use method 2.

http://www.tech-faq.com/enable-windows-vista-administrator-account.shtml

 

[seekermeister]

A bit of a tangent to the discussion, but according to a discussion that I had with a MS rep a few days ago, no retail version of Windows 7 has been released yet...only the Upgrade, OEM or Family Pack.

 

[harpua]

That can't be correct. For one thing, Technet versions of Windows are supposed to be retail and they have been available to subscribers for months, unless that doesn't count as "released."

 

[Barman58]

If it is available in the stores (Online or Real), and does not have "for distribution only with a new PC" or similar to state it is an OEM copy then it is by definition "Retail" this includes the full install upgrade and family pack

 

[seekermeister]

I'm only relaying what the MS rep said...but then every tech that I spoke to told me conflicting things on a different subject. It's sad when there is so much confusion when you go to the "horse's mouth".