Limewire Shut Down

[LiquidSnak]

So it's ok to shoplift from walmart, rather than your corner market, because it's a huge corporation?

 

[Tews]

Wait.. are you saying that if a corporation/artist is successful, that theft of their property is less important??? Sounds like a bad case of situational ethics to me...

 

[Dark Nova Gamer]

Limewires needed to die for a while now, hopefully Frostwire will follow as well.

I don't know, Capt.Jack. However, when they do, I know we'll see fewer people needing help in the security forums. Many of the security forums require all P2P programs to be uninstalled before assistance will be provided.

Even uTorrent/BitTorrent clients? Thats rather unfair and biased since it does have its legit uses (such as download linux distrobutions). Remind me never to visit one of those security forums.

 

[LiquidSnak]

Uninstalling a program is a small price to pay for some good help

 

[Dark Nova Gamer]

Uninstalling a program is a small price to pay for some good help

I suppose that is true. Still though, it is your computer. If the P2P client is the source of the issue then that is your problem. You shouldn't be forced to uninstall something that in most cases actually are 'not' the cause of viruses (referring to uTorrent/BitTorrent, not Limewire).

A majority of viruses come from un-educated users downloading everything and its brother and running it even when they generally do not know what it is. Then they end up whinning that Windows sucks because they got infected.

Sorry, got a bit off track. My point is, its just plain biased to force a user to remove a program that isn't generally the cause of something before removing it. Reminds me of when a friend got yelled at by a Bestbuy Geeksquad Agent for having uTorrent installed. Told my friend to tell that guy next time to shove his comments where the moon don't shine.

 

[niemiro]

A lot of the time uTorrent etc. *IS* the cause of the issues, and we are trying to stop them getting re-infected and putting massive strain on the helpers. If a user comes in, and they promise that they only use P2P programs for legal, occasional uses, they maybe only actually have BitTorrent, and they got infected from a differnt source, then prehaps the story would be different to people just downloading crack after crack and getting seriously infected, and then expecting help without changing their habits at all.

 

[LiquidSnak]

In my experiences, I've had many more computers come back with problems generated by malicious files disguised as music, videos, or applications from Limewire, Bearshare, and the like than from torrent clients.

 

[Gornot]

If torrent sites were forced to use only legal torrents such as Linux distros and the Neosmart startup repair CDs for Windows 7 & vista, they would probably go out of business in short order as just about everything is trademarked & copyrighted or start charging for the torrents by downloaded file size.

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This is the only reason I still use torrents at all

 

[s31]

A lot of the time uTorrent etc. *IS* the cause of the issues, and we are trying to stop them getting re-infected.

utorrent isnt the issue.. it's the files they are downloading that are the issue

 

[dajogejr]

This is indeed good news

On the other hand...I'll earn less money cleaning Viruses from machines as Limewire was the biggest contributor. Hmmm, gonna have to think of something else now

Ditto...

No worries, there's enough security holes in Facebook and tons of other websites to keep the Trojan's a Flowing and side work plentiful.

Heck, my G/F last night was looking for a pumpkin stencil on the internet and she got hit with a trojan.

MSE, SuperAntiSpyWare Pro and Malwarebytes got her fixed in a jiffy....but just saying...

 

[OneSerious]

Wait.. are you saying that if a corporation/artist is successful, that theft of their property is less important???

My point is that piracy exists. It always will. If you don't like it, don't do it and don't visit the site's that deal in it. Now if you think that's the same excuse that people could use to defend sites that deal in paedophilia then go ahead. However I think most level headed people could distinguish the difference of importance between the two.

So I'm saying I can't understand all these people crying over file sharing because god forbid somebody like Bono's net worth of 80 mil take a hit. Also bare in mind that most of the artists who speak out about file sharing are the ones who have already made their millions aka greedy sods. Plenty of artists who aren't rolling in cash advocate it.

Sounds like a bad case of situational ethics to me...

In the last thread regarding this stuff I pointed out that most people speaking out against piracy on the forum claimed there are happy to lend their media to a friend. When I pointed out that it's still breaking copy right laws nearly everybody said that they still didn't see a problem. So apparently everybody can have it both ways. In that case... So can I.

Edit:

So it's ok to shoplift from walmart, rather than your corner market, because it's a huge corporation?

No, let me break it down.

- I said people who actually get bothered about torrenting make me laugh, and questioned why they as people who don't get hurt by it really care.

- Tew said that you could say the same for sites that deal in things like paedophilia.

- I said it wasn't the same because the people who get hurt by piracy are multi million £/$ earning companies and artists, not traumatised abused children. I wasn't implying that's "okay" simply that you should not draw parallels between the two.

My gripe is that you always hear about this crap in the media. Big companies complaining cause they lost a few quid. I'm only pointing out that we need to get our priorities straight, using paedophilia as the example that Tew brought up. Do you really think the two should be compared? You never hear sod all about these sort of sites getting busted.

 

[dajogejr]

When you become a millionaire off your work then you get to decide how important it is if people steal from you.
Until then, it's easy to be an arm chair QB saying this or that person has millions...they won't miss a little revenue from someone stealing a song or album.

Say you have $100 in the bank. When someone steals a song of yours, the royalty fees, etc., will eat away at 1/100,000 of a cent.

Then figure out how many millions upon millions of people have computers that will do the same.

Do they have enough money to live comfortably? Sure...for 100 lifetimes.
That doesn't make you the judge and jury if it's ok to steal from them.

I'm not the Internet or Music police so personally I don't care. But it just makes me kinda say HUH?? when people think it's OK to steal from someone who is wealthy.

They earned it...what makes it OK for someone to take a shortcut and steal?

 

[OneSerious]

When you become a millionaire off your work then you get to decide how important it is if people steal from you.
Until then, it's easy to be an arm chair QB saying this or that person has millions...they won't miss a little revenue from someone stealing a song or album.

Say you have $100 in the bank. When someone steals a song of yours, the royalty fees, etc., will eat away at 1/100,000 of a cent.

Then figure out how many millions upon millions of people have computers that will do the same.

Do they have enough money to live comfortably? Sure...for 100 lifetimes.
That doesn't make you the judge and jury if it's ok to steal from them.

I'm not the Internet or Music police so personally I don't care. But it just makes me kinda say HUH?? when people think it's OK to steal from someone who is wealthy.

They earned it...what makes it OK for someone to take a shortcut and steal?

And there lays the grey area of is it stealing? If people are happy to lend, yes lend. Not sell copies and make money off it. Is that any different to you giving what you bought to somebody else over the internet?

It's double standards all round. The same people who complain it's wrong to break the law, are breaking the exact same law by lending. Sure the police wont knock your door down becaue of it but it's still pertinent.

 

[Solarstarshines]

well in all out honestly they don't consider lending a friend software with the seriels STEALING as it was put if it will save you're buddy cost

Like myself i have given both version of my vista away to my dad he uses them both on the pc's at the same house i no longer use vista obviously and have no need for a dual booting machine either

I see no problem lending or giving out software as long as it is with in the users use amount Besides in my case It was Familly my DaD of course i will hook him up with no issue but at the same time there are user clauses that let you know how many can use that product without overstepping copy wright laws

As far as this limewire goes I never liked it always thought it was a big virus waiting to happen I seen more of my friends complaining about hangups and viruses and the first thing i see is limewire i just shake my head and tell them that is one of your problems right there


Im not to big on p2p apps either but me and the wifey do use bearshare but hardly im more on video stream sites like justin tv to really care about downloading it anymore it is about saving space and not having useless clutter on your machine I also have a dual monitor set up so when i am watching streams i do as if i was watching tv technology has gone a long way and i do back up alot of movies etc but latly i save more money by not burning dvd's and all and saving it on a external drive like my book and just have it for future use

I really cant remember the last time i bought a pack of dvd's or cd's to burn anything

 

[OneSerious]

Fair enough in the case of software with a serial, but music CD's or music/film DVD's.

 

[jimbo45]

I'll bet the Hackers are the ones really p----d off.


:roflmao:

Actually these days Hackers aren't sub sub teens with "challenged social and communication skills" but highly skilled individuals working for various "dubious" organisations that you don't want to know about as well as others such as the CIA, MOSSAD, EL MOKHABARAT(Egyptian secret service) and others _ often earning HUGE amounts of money too.

Any serious hacker isn't going to infect a stupid mp3 file of a hideously boring re-mixed song that is destined for a portable player rather than a computer anyway.

(Why oh Why is it almost impossible to get old music WITHOUT the hideous rythm and other stuff added into it -- I prefer the ORIGINAL tracks -- remixes generally are HORRIBLE -- but that's another whole issue).

If you've got infected because of using P2P sites I'll almost bet you a Million dollars to a bucket load of Horse shy_e that you've probably been downloading software or accessing a malicious site with "drive by infections" on it.

MP3 files are notoriously hard to infect and in any case who cares if it's on a stand alone music player -- there isn't much of an OS to infect on these devices.

If you do download music from P2P sites then PLAY IT FIRST on your portable music player by transferring from the PC to the device - BEFORE playing / opening the file on the PC then tranfer it back again to a computer before playing on the PC.

If you need to tag the MP3 file this can be done after the file has been transferred to the Music Player.

The Music player will filter out all the rubbish if there is any in the MP3 file.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Solarstarshines]

hahaha he said drive by viruses i didnt know viruses did gang warfare but that was a good line though

 

[dajogejr]

[/QUOTE]And there lays the grey area of is it stealing? If people are happy to lend, yes lend. Not sell copies and make money off it. Is that any different to you giving what you bought to somebody else over the internet?

It's double standards all round. The same people who complain it's wrong to break the law, are breaking the exact same law by lending. Sure the police wont knock your door down becaue of it but it's still pertinent.[/QUOTE]

Please kindly post your address for all those on the Internet to see.
I'll stop by, "borrow your car" with no intention of paying for it ...and continue to use it as I see fit for as long as I want.

When and If I ever get pulled over, I will politely tell the police I was "Lent" the car.
The owner didn't take any money from me...and even though it is rightfully his, it was lent to me.

I'll post on a live blog from prison how well your theory worked out for me...

 

[Bootz]

Nice share ! Thanks Corrine .. I wonder when they going to shutdown these Torrent sites like PirateBay etc.

ThePirateBays servers are in Europe and are privatly and publicly through fund raisers funded i believe. It is also believe it or not, used to be one of the top 60 most popular websites on the entire internet. Sadly its pry gonna be hard to shut it down anything short of our own green dam girl here in the US or where ever.

 

[Solarstarshines]

Like i said if it is with in users law and how many users can use it noone is getting jail time just a hard look from someone who didnt have a chance to use it

You can't really say everyone is getting jail time because if you know it or not famous people do this too don't fool yourself even though they have the money to do so someone on thiere camp is doing the illegal downloads or pages just not known to that famous person at the time or they choose to not worry about it

Millionaires are more frugal then someone with out money someone with out money will spend it generously vs a richer person which in turn would make them take short cuts too


But really if i got unlimited user use then you can't justify im stealing or being a pirate for willingly giving up my product to help others especially if it something i dont care to use anymore

and it is beaneath me to waste my time uploading it on a p2p site i have plenty of familly in my circle that would use this before some unknown joe if you understand me