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[noobvious]

Has this thread become officially epic yet?

 

[Solarstarshines]

on it's way if not there already

Nice avatar too but thats on another post ha

 

[nailgunner]

So lets say Bob buys himself a nice new CD dividing his hard earned £10 into revenue for the artist, the record label and the store. He rips that bad boy on to his computer and makes a torrent for all to download. Lending it to his internet friends if you will. Oh dear, what a terrible person Bob is, all those people downloading those music tracks aren't allowing the artist, the record label and the store to make the money they so deserve. Shame on Bob!

Whether it is music or software, piracy or "sharing" results in higher prices to each of us.

In my opinion it has nothing to do with whether it keeps prices inflated or not. It's wrong.

So, yes shame on Bob. You can sugarcoat it and rationalize it away all you want. But Bob knows it's no different than if he went into a record store (if you can still find one) and shoplifted it. How much anyone makes off the product is totally irrelevant and nothing short of class envy. "In my opinion, they are making WAY too much money on THEIR stuff, so I'm going to steal from them. No wait, they DESERVE to have me steal from them". How ridiculous and absurd.

 

[OneSerious]

In my opinion it has nothing to do with whether it keeps prices inflated or not. It's wrong.

So, yes shame on Bob. You can sugarcoat it and rationalize it away all you want. But Bob knows it's no different than if he went into a record store (if you can still find one) and shoplifted it. How much anyone makes off the product is totally irrelevant and nothing short of class envy. "In my opinion, they are making WAY too much money on THEIR stuff, so I'm going to steal from them. No wait, they DESERVE to have me steal from them". How ridiculous and absurd.

But... If anything I'm not the one sugar coating it or trying to rationalize? I know what file sharing is, I am under no illusion. It's other people on here who say that they have a problem with it, but see no issue with handing out their media to friends left, right and centre. We can pretend too like another poster did that when between friends, there is only one copy in circulation that it's not causing any harm. When we know in reality, when one friend lends another a CD for example it's a dead cert that it will end up ripped on their PC or copied for the car or something.

My point, which people seem only to happy to ignore every time I post it, is that these people break the very law they say they feel so strongly about and are also doing artists out of money. But when asked why? They seem to think that to them, morally, lending an item isn't a problem. Unfortunately according to the copy right law they love so much... It is.

So you see, it is these people who sugar coat because they want it both ways. I'm just playing devils advocate and asking, how's that work?

 

[nailgunner]

So you see, it is these people who sugar coat because they want it both ways. I'm just playing devils advocate and asking, how's that work?

So you see, I was continuing the devils advocacy. Or did I preface my comment with "Kyle you jerk"? Some of us are able to follow a thread, no need to get defensive when someone agrees with you.

 

[z3r010]

:warn: Lets keep it friendly!!!

 

[Solarstarshines]

In my opinion it has nothing to do with whether it keeps prices inflated or not. It's wrong.

So, yes shame on Bob. You can sugarcoat it and rationalize it away all you want. But Bob knows it's no different than if he went into a record store (if you can still find one) and shoplifted it. How much anyone makes off the product is totally irrelevant and nothing short of class envy. "In my opinion, they are making WAY too much money on THEIR stuff, so I'm going to steal from them. No wait, they DESERVE to have me steal from them". How ridiculous and absurd.

But... If anything I'm not the one sugar coating it or trying to rationalize? I know what file sharing is, I am under no illusion. It's other people on here who say that they have a problem with it, but see no issue with handing out their media to friends left, right and centre. We can pretend too like another poster did that when between friends, there is only one copy in circulation that it's not causing any harm. When we know in reality, when one friend lends another a CD for example it's a dead cert that it will end up ripped on their PC or copied for the car or something.

My point, which people seem only to happy to ignore every time I post it, is that these people break the very law they say they feel so strongly about and are also doing artists out of money. But when asked why? They seem to think that to them, morally, lending an item isn't a problem. Unfortunately according to the copy right law they love so much... It is.

So you see, it is these people who sugar coat because they want it both ways. I'm just playing devils advocate and asking, how's that work?

well i feel all of you're posters pains but im tottaly legit pretty much no pirated windows or nothing i buy all my games music content or what ever and alot of what i listened too was ripped from my very own to a player so i can honestly say shame on bob but you know bob doesnt care anyway bob is beyond morals

in my case i figure if i can support my familly have a job keep a car pay bills etc why not use my extra to buy what i enjoy computer stuff not everything is ridiculosly high it goes by user needs Im not a program junkie or someone who has to use the latest software im perfectly fine using it for how ever long it takes till im ready for a new version

and I refuse to pirate games because when you download and install there is always something missing or not working right i been down that alley before and pretty much said the hell with all that being legit is more satsfying then anything else because you have a hard copy if you do hardcopy vs digital and have a reciept in case some bs happens to happen

Im sure there is someone out there selling new hardware stolen from the test center who knows i don't limit people from anything anymore

 

[Solarstarshines]

wow didnt catch that be friendly i know some of us have alot of points and view thiere just opinions and not to be taken to heart we all have a common purpose here and would be very sad to see someone lose privledges over anger spouts please keep it nice

We remind all members new and old that were here to fix issues or have discusions on wordly issues leave the anger at the door

 

[nailgunner]

:warn: Lets keep it friendly!!!

Sorry boss. No intent to get the admin involved in this.

To make sure there is no misunderstanding, I wasn't calling him a jerk. Was saying that if I disagreed with him, there would have been an overt comment directed in his direction. Will promise to be more careful.

 

[Solarstarshines]

:warn: Lets keep it friendly!!!

Sorry boss. No intent to get the admin involved in this.

To make sure there is no misunderstanding, I wasn't calling him a jerk. Was saying that if I disagreed with him, there would have been an overt comment directed in his direction. Will promise to be more careful.

Thanks for stepping up

 

[dajogejr]

you realy think that cd,dvd,games would be cheaper if there wouldnt be piratecy ?

Yes.

Let's take mother nature and accidents out of the discussion right off the bat.

Now...look at home owner's and car insurance.

Tell me the premiums wouldn't be less if cars weren't stolen and homes broken into.

I live north of Detroit. The farther you get away from the inner city, the cheaper the insurance...(I'm not kidding, they ask if I'm north or south of 12 mile when I've priced car/home insurance, which I do yearly...shop for rates.)

Theft of anything raises the price. Pure and simple. Economics 101.

In a store, security cameras, recording equipment, security personnel all cost money..which is passed onto the consumer in the purchase price.

 

[lorddenis]

you realy think that cd,dvd,games would be cheaper if there wouldnt be piratecy ?

Yes.

Let's take mother nature and accidents out of the discussion right off the bat.

Now...look at home owner's and car insurance.

Tell me the premiums wouldn't be less if cars weren't stolen and homes broken into.

I live north of Detroit. The farther you get away from the inner city, the cheaper the insurance...(I'm not kidding, they ask if I'm north or south of 12 mile when I've priced car/home insurance, which I do yearly...shop for rates.)

Theft of anything raises the price. Pure and simple. Economics 101.

In a store, security cameras, recording equipment, security personnel all cost money..which is passed onto the consumer in the purchase price.

why would they sell somthing at a lover price if they can make more money if they seel it expesive.. and all they care about is money...

 

[Win7User512]

I don't think piracy has affected CD, DVD prices. They are f'n expensive because you have the revenue-sharing among so many people, especially DVDs.

You have the studio, DVD cost, actors, producers, writers, etc sharing $25-$30 DVD price.

They were expensive before piracy, and wouldn't be any cheaper if piracy stopped.

 

[Solarstarshines]

very true thats why i dont buy music you have internet radio you are set with all other bs aside the only thing worth purchasing is software and hardware music and movies come out so fast not worth the time and energy to copy them and sell them


Thus piracy only made these people push it out alot faster instead of dragging it around for months in thearters or playing the holly hell out of it on the airwaves one way or another old school tape deck or recording device it is easy to nab music

 

[OneSerious]

So you see, I was continuing the devils advocacy. Or did I preface my comment with "Kyle you jerk"? Some of us are able to follow a thread, no need to get defensive when someone agrees with you.

Maybe I missed something here, but your comment didn't seem to agree with what I said in the slightest.

Possible break down in communication maybe, but I wasn't getting defensive, only furthering the debate, because like I said, your comment didn't seem to agree mine. This is an online forum, I'm not in the business of getting angry at what people over the internet say.

 

[nailgunner]

Possible break down in communication maybe, but I wasn't getting defensive, only furthering the debate, because like I said, your comment didn't seem to agree mine. This is an online forum, I'm not in the business of getting angry at what people over the internet say.

Yea, my intent was to just continue your "shame on Bob" comment, by expanding on it.

And as for the question on prices coming down if piracy stops, there is NO way that will happen. They have developed a pricing structure that supposedly accounts for "theft", just like WalMart on shoplifting. They will never lower their price, but it could stop them from increasing.

I remember the argument back too many years ago, about how much cheaper it was to produce CD's as compared to the prior media, so we would see prices go down. I'm still waiting.

But the eventual price impact is still irrelevant. It's theft, pure and simple.

Addendum
To be specific. Torrenting is the same as giving it to your friend to copy. Illegal and indefensible except for a "I can decide what copyright laws apply to me and how to interpret them" basis. So if you are arguing that people are hypocritical on one end, so the other end is okay, then yea, I do disagree totally. Other people's hypocrisy does not fit any legal defense that I'm aware of.

 

[OneSerious]

Yea, my intent was to just continue your "shame on Bob" comment, by expanding on it.

I see, fair enough mate.

 

[noobvious]

I think we've hit epic status!

 

[nailgunner]

I think we've hit epic status!

That doesn't happen until you hit 25 pages of comments. Still a ways to go.

 

[LiquidSnak]

I'm just going to sit back and watch samurai jack and this thread the rest of the day. Scored it at wally world for a smooth $45