Microsoft slams OEM crapware

[stormy13]

Either Sony has cleaned up their act, or you have removed a bunch of it. Considering the amount of unnecessary junk shown on the download page for the laptop in your specs,

Sony eSupport - VGN-FZ140E - Software Updates & Drivers

think it is safe to say you either removed most of it, or just didn't install it when you installed Windows 7.

 

[polarbear]

Bought a Toshiba after using most brands at work.. Drop a few things using msconfig... Must say that i'm very happy with Win7 on all my computers.. Still run XP Pro on a few and i'm happy with those... GL

 

[wds7]

Either Sony has cleaned up their act, or you have removed a bunch of it. Considering the amount of unnecessary junk shown on the download page for the laptop in your specs,

Sony eSupport - VGN-FZ140E - Software Updates & Drivers

think it is safe to say you either removed most of it, or just didn't install it when you installed Windows 7.

Ohhh NO ..Sony still has load of junk wares with their new systems ....
Funny thing is...When i contacted Sony for upgrading to w7 ...they said mine CAN NOT run on wds7 ?
I bought a retail one and installed it anyway .....guess what ..? it runs great without any drive from Sony ...
I only need Sony Utility software that comes with web cam drive and volume,brightness and AV control .
Very happy with my lappy now...

 

[madtownidiot]

Sony offers the fresh start option, all crapware removed except for office 2010 starter and the Adobe Bundle (which is the worst of the bloat in the first place), but only if you pay an extra $50 to have 7 professional installed. That's funny because when you buy windows 7 oem in packs of 30, the difference between 7 HP and 7 Pro is only about $20 per license.. and I imagine it's not too different in a much larger scale

 

[stormy13]

Sony offers the fresh start option, all crapware removed except for office 2010 starter and the Adobe Bundle (which is the worst of the bloat in the first place), but only if you pay an extra $50 to have 7 professional installed. That's funny because when you buy windows 7 oem in packs of 30, the difference between 7 HP and 7 Pro is only about $20 per license.. and I imagine it's not too different in a much larger scale

Sort of puts a dent in Lee's theory of how much more it would add to the cost of a computer doesn't it. I believe Dell also has (or had) a similar kind of program available at one time.

 

[madtownidiot]

Sony is no exception to the general rule.. Not all of their laptops have the "fresh start" option.. it's primarily only available on high end systems, though with there are a few exceptions on lower end models that are limited to a specific HW configuration, so it's not that great of a deal. My interpretation of that is their marketing strategy is"if they can't spend at least $2000.. f@^% em."

You have to pay at least $4000 for a laptop with no bloat except for the office trial. but it comes with an i7 840QM, 8Gb memory, dual SSDs in RAID 0, a GTX 4 series GPU and a Blue ray burner. I guess that's for only the customers they value

It doesn't matter how much money you have.. you can't get a laptop that comes with a zeroed HDD and a windows disk from any major manufacturer.

 

[gregrocker]

A factory bloatware install is corruption itself. It gets worse when you try to remove it, creating irreparable System Files no matter how gingerly it's done.

If MS really wants to help, they would require manufacturers to provide a clean-copy install DVD on demand. We were told this was the case, and hopeful because they did in fact enforce it on Win7 Factory Upgrade kits. Yet manufacturers like HP are turning away clean DVD requests if not made with 15 days, others flatly refusing.

These manufacturers are desperately enforcing their sponsor's bloatware since it may provide the profit margin on today's consumer rig. Users have to lie to them and say they didn't clean reinstall if they want OS support, reinstate the factory image if they need to RMA for anything.

It is as if the machines are only being leased and still belong to the manufacturer who are allowed to deliberately throttle Win7. Many Users don't even know it is a feather-light instantaneous OS.

We help with dozens of clean reinstalls weekly here, with users reporting the results are "better than new."

 

[madtownidiot]

I don't even charge to do a clean install on a new computer at my shop, so long as they're willing to wait a few days. They almost always come back later on when they have other problems or decide to upgrade

 

[NICK ADSL UK]

And there's about 75% of the reason why people hated Vista.

very true i have a genuine copy of vista 64 bit retail with over 500 pieces of software some beta i have put onto my system and vista hasn't played up once hence i still use it despite i have a triple boot system with xp and windows 7
vista was always reliable but not in a OEM

 

[Skulblaka]

I've witnessed people "acquiring" Windows 7 "images" due to crap-ware for the sake of a clean and fresh install. Companies shouldn't be surprised when their costumers are resorting to piracy where they simply want something without any hassle.

 

[JMH]

And there's about 75% of the reason why people hated Vista.

vista was always reliable but not in a OEM

Nick I must be the exception.
Have two laptops with Vista Ultimate 64-bit here - OEM versions.
Both absolutely reliable thus far.....
In fact I still prefer to use the Vista laptop to my new Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit one.

 

[NICK ADSL UK]

And there's about 75% of the reason why people hated Vista.

vista was always reliable but not in a OEM

Nick I must be the exception.
Have two laptops with Vista Ultimate 64-bit here - OEM versions.
Both absolutely reliable thus far.....
In fact I still prefer to use the Vista laptop to my new Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit one.

you probably have a minimum of 3 GB of ram ? most faults with vista or any system is the failure to what loads at boot and in vista's case in particular it didn't cope well with 2 GB of ram in a way that most users world wide were and even today use their system as most people are not even aware of what is loading and with in excess of 10 program's starting at boot vista invariably falls down ALSO A LOT OF OEM's use cut back processors which doesn't help

 

[JMH]

vista was always reliable but not in a OEM

Nick I must be the exception.
Have two laptops with Vista Ultimate 64-bit here - OEM versions.
Both absolutely reliable thus far.....
In fact I still prefer to use the Vista laptop to my new Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit one.

you probably have a minimum of 3 GB of ram ? most faults with vista or any system is the failure to what loads at boot and in vista's case in particular it didn't cope well with 2 GB of ram in a way that most users world wide were and even today use their system as most people are not even aware of what is loading and with in excess of 10 program's starting at boot vista invariably falls down ALSO A LOT OF OEM's use cut back processors which doesn't help

Yes Nick both computers with Vista on them were brand new, both with 4GB RAM & top specs in all areas. I was well aware of the hard time lots were experiencing & wanted to avoid that....
I seem to be a lone voice who speaks highly of Vista, so be it.

 

[kodi]

I could not fault Vista and was quiet happy to stay on it,like you I had 4g ram and good hardware.

 

[Tepid]

All vista issues were caused by Systems with 512M or less than 2G of ram.
Third Party Software and Drivers not ready at release time.
THOse were the issues. Otherwise, Vista was fine.

In otherwords, Blame All the OEM's and All 3rd Party Dev's for Vista's issues.

 

[gregrocker]

I've witnessed people "acquiring" Windows 7 "images" due to crap-ware for the sake of a clean and fresh install. Companies shouldn't be surprised when their costumers are resorting to piracy where they simply want something without any hassle.

It is not piracy when users necessarily find a clean-copy of Win7 to clean reinstall with the Product Key on COA sticker. It is using their personal property the way they want it.

Perhaps it's time MS consider posting the ISO on their website, since pirates are going to obtain it anyway and honest users should experience what a fantastic accomplishment it is without having it throttled by OEM's.

 

[Skulblaka]

I've witnessed people "acquiring" Windows 7 "images" due to crap-ware for the sake of a clean and fresh install. Companies shouldn't be surprised when their costumers are resorting to piracy where they simply want something without any hassle.

It is not piracy when users necessarily find a clean-copy of Win7 to clean reinstall with the Product Key on COA sticker. It is using their personal property the way they want it.

Perhaps it's time MS consider posting the ISO on their website, since pirates are going to obtain it anyway and honest users should experience what a fantastic accomplishment it is without having it throttled by OEM's.

I agree, companies simply do not care about the people, only profit, that's how I see it.

 

[LiquidSnak]

I've witnessed people "acquiring" Windows 7 "images" due to crap-ware for the sake of a clean and fresh install. Companies shouldn't be surprised when their costumers are resorting to piracy where they simply want something without any hassle.

It is not piracy when users necessarily find a clean-copy of Win7 to clean reinstall with the Product Key on COA sticker. It is using their personal property the way they want it.

Perhaps it's time MS consider posting the ISO on their website, since pirates are going to obtain it anyway and honest users should experience what a fantastic accomplishment it is without having it throttled by OEM's.

I agree, companies simply do not care about the people, only profit, that's how I see it.

Have you been shopping lately? Businesses seem to not give a rats flying freaking behind about anything besides profit now. I just want to punch all the idiot kids who run around their work not giving a crap about their job, because their managers don't care.

Nick I must be the exception.
Have two laptops with Vista Ultimate 64-bit here - OEM versions.
Both absolutely reliable thus far.....
In fact I still prefer to use the Vista laptop to my new Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit one.

you probably have a minimum of 3 GB of ram ? most faults with vista or any system is the failure to what loads at boot and in vista's case in particular it didn't cope well with 2 GB of ram in a way that most users world wide were and even today use their system as most people are not even aware of what is loading and with in excess of 10 program's starting at boot vista invariably falls down ALSO A LOT OF OEM's use cut back processors which doesn't help

Yes Nick both computers with Vista on them were brand new, both with 4GB RAM & top specs in all areas. I was well aware of the hard time lots were experiencing & wanted to avoid that....
I seem to be a lone voice who speaks highly of Vista, so be it.

I spent a couple hours tweaking my vista, and then didn't have a problem for three or four years.

 

[Tepid]

I've witnessed people "acquiring" Windows 7 "images" due to crap-ware for the sake of a clean and fresh install. Companies shouldn't be surprised when their costumers are resorting to piracy where they simply want something without any hassle.

It is not piracy when users necessarily find a clean-copy of Win7 to clean reinstall with the Product Key on COA sticker. It is using their personal property the way they want it.

Perhaps it's time MS consider posting the ISO on their website, since pirates are going to obtain it anyway and honest users should experience what a fantastic accomplishment it is without having it throttled by OEM's.

Correct, it is not considered piracy.
However, if you read the rules for resale, of a PC with Windows.
You are to provide to original media that came with the system.
This pertains to shops/stores that resell systems. (ie. If the media is missing, you are supposed to contact the manufacturer and purchase the media [restore disks] for that model system in order to be able to actually resell it. Or resell it with no OS on the system.)
You can not make a disk, or provide media from a different source and sell it or even give it for free along with the system it was not provided for.

MS consider posting the ISO on their website

The problem with this is, The OEM's are the ones responsible for the support of the OEM OS installed on the PC. MS does not provide support for the OEM software. They would then assume responsibility for the OS that OEMs install. Or the OEM OS, this includes System Builder OEM. They won't do that.
Also, the OEM's make a little bit of profit off the resale of media due to people losing it and wanting original factory restore disks. (also see above reason)

That is also why OEM's will not support an OS that is not theirs. And why you will need to reimage the system in order to get support from the OEM. They only support their version of the OS.

 

[madtownidiot]

If you buy a computer that has a COA attached, it doesn't matter where you get the installation media to install a clean OS. You're within your rights to have the same version of windows the computer left the factory with, regardless of how you obtain it.