Multiple BSOD 116

[Vir Gnarus]

Did you try zipping them up first? You can change their extension to .txt instead (they're the same thing).

 

[ant9985]

Ok.

 

[Vir Gnarus]

Your GPU even outs to 80C at high load. From what I'm reading online this seems to be a pretty good stable temperature and it means your fan is doing its job keeping it from going any higher. I personally can't see how this would be an overheating problem. The previous 95C as you mentioned though, is definitely pushing it, especially if it experiences that temperature over extended periods of time.

I want to note that from what I read online that was temperatures people experienced when they started doing some overclocking on their card (same exact model as yours). If yours isn't overclocked and still experiencing these temperatures...

Anyways, I've found a while back a pretty solid article on troubleshooting TDR failures like this here. It does a good job explaining many of the causes for why it would do this. You'll wanna give it to a look.

I want to add, I noticed that at the time you posted the JCGriff Report, it said you were already using up around half your 4GB of RAM. These issues can be caused by RAM exhaustion (especially since much if not all graphics activity involves nonpaged pool, which can only be attached to RAM, never to paging file on disk). Windows 7 sets a maximum of nonpaged pool on RAM to 75% of the total RAM. If this gets exhausted, then these problems occur. There may be a process that's hogging memory and taking up nonpaged pool. These are potential causes, so don't rule out the GPU.

In addition, I did remember you saying something about getting a replacement motherboard. Often motherboard problems can show up as anything else. Have you tried updating the drivers for your motherboard, as well as the BIOS? In addition, if you have onboard video, uninstall the drivers for it and do whatever you can to prevent it from being active (turn it off on BIOS, etc.). I've seen video cards and onboard butting heads before on resources.

 

[ant9985]

My card isn't overclocked. 95C was in furmark.

Thanks for the article.

JCGriff report?

I don't wanna update the bios, it's dangerous.
I think i have onboard video disabled, but i will check sometime.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Vir Gnarus]

Updating the BIOS isn't nearly as dangerous as it was back in the day. Nowadays it's possible to reset to a previous version or be able to access the BIOS and flash a version straight from there if things go bad. Only the worst cases where you can't even access the BIOS would mean your mobo is bricked. I would still recommend it. If you decide to do so, make sure to do it when your PC is completely idle, and turn off every other program (both background and foreground) to prevent anything from intervening. Once you see things are running fairly stable, perform the BIOS flash. It'll take about 1-5 minutes.

Now that I think about it, since you have onboard video, have you tried defaulting to that for a while and see if you still get the crashes?

 

[ant9985]

I didn't think bios flash was done in windows. If there is a power cut half way through, it will render the mobo useless.. With my last motherboard(the one i got replaced), i updated the bios. I kind of think it isn't the motherboards fault, since this is a new one, and i had the same problem with the old one. I appreciate the suggestion, but would rather use this as a last resort.

The onboard graphics is disabled, i haven't tryed using it.

In that link you gave me, there was a graphics driver uninstall/reinstall guide. Within that guide it mentions: "1) Stop windows from installing updates automatically. Go to your control panel, then windows upate, then change settings. Change this setting to "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them."

Windows has allready downloaded these things on my computer i think, because it allways installs something on reboot after i uninstall the drivers for it.
There's nothing i can do to prevent this right?

 

[Vir Gnarus]

Bios Flashing is done in parts, with verification checks throughout each part. If it crashes, it will corrupt that one section specifically. Recovery options depend on which section got corrupted.

It may be relying on the initial cache of drivers that comes with Windows to install the drivers for your card, as opposed to using ones provided through Windows update. Having the drivers installed is fine as long as you uninstall them then install the appropriate drivers in the same session (as in, don't restart the computer between uninstall and install).

 

[ant9985]

Oh, i thought u had to reboot after removing the windows ones. Im gonna try removing and installing the graphics driver again, properly, with driver sweeper as mentioned earlier in the thread, and also things u and others mentioned. Though, i do remember having great difficulty trying to stop windows installing it's own drivers, ill come back and ask if theres still a problem.
Greatly appreciate the assitance, thanks.

 

[Vir Gnarus]

If Windows sees a device present and enabled that it has drivers for, it will automatically attempt to install them. There is a way to prevent it from doing this for specific devices, but it means editing the INF files for that device's drivers which are stored in the Windows cache, or removing the drivers in the Windows cache that it has stored up for that device.

It shouldn't matter anyways. After you install the appropriate drivers, the old Windows drivers will be superseded by them and will no longer be used for that particular device. You can confirm this by going to device manager and right clicking the device, going to the Properties window for it, and clicking for Driver Details to see the list of drivers active for it.

 

[ant9985]

Oh i see. I was worried about the drivers conflicting with each other.

 

[Maguscreed]

There is one thing I didn't see in my skim over the posts here.

Do you have fans in that case?
Are they all plugged in and working properly?
These really are temps I would expect to see if someone put a high end card in a dell box with no proper ventilation.

 

[ant9985]

Yep, all 4 fans are working good. It's quite a nice case but acts like a vacuum(sucks in a lot of dust), but is pretty clean inside right now since i de-dusted it recently.
Im pretty sure it gets good airflow.


What is Nvidia HD audio driver for? It asks to install it every time i install graphics driver, but i don't understand why an audio driver is included with drivers for a graphics card. I use my auzentech prelude sound drivers, and i don't want them being hindered by anything, i have a sound issue where i randomly get a loud static buzzing sound through the speakers/headphones sometimes. Though perhaps this was causing it so left HD audio out this time.

Hmm, i was looking at the OCCT video card test, i says "Monitor your GPU temperatures. If you see artifacts, or the temperature of your GPU exceeds 80C, stop the test."


Is it unsafe/give some sort of error if i run the computer with the side pannels removed? If i opened the side pannels, and let the mess of cables at the bottom hang out it, this would all increase airflow right? If the card still ran at the same temperature then, it would rule out my case/air flow being the problem?
Though, vir gnarus said earlier, after i posted sensor tests: "Your GPU even outs to 80C at high load. From what I'm reading online this seems to be a pretty good stable temperature and it means your fan is doing its job keeping it from going any higher. I personally can't see how this would be an overheating problem"

I want to add, I noticed that at the time you posted the JCGriff Report, it said you were already using up around half your 4GB of RAM. These issues can be caused by RAM exhaustion (especially since much if not all graphics activity involves nonpaged pool, which can only be attached to RAM, never to paging file on disk). Windows 7 sets a maximum of nonpaged pool on RAM to 75% of the total RAM. If this gets exhausted, then these problems occur. There may be a process that's hogging memory and taking up nonpaged pool. These are potential causes, so don't rule out the GPU.

Whats a JCGriff report and how do i make sure nothings taking too much ram? Can i check how much ram is being taken up right now?

 

[ant9985]

Should i change the fan settings on the card?(idk how to do that). Maybe it is finding it tough running 2 monitors, also i run aero..

Oh i wonder if this is the problem im having: http://www.geeks3d.com/20100407/gef...is-now-supported-without-burning-your-system/

I think ill update the bios now rather than later
Rly nervous about doing it though.

Seems other people having similar problem here: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=166957
They talk about the power management not working properly in win7. I noticed when i opened GPU-Z that the gpu temp(while idle) was 77C, but the fan was only 45%, i think this could be much higher to give lower temp.

Is there a bios on the graphics card? :S

I tryed running 1 monitor only, and the card idles under 55C, and under load(playing SC2, hovers around 80C). That's with fan speed 40%@idle and around 50% under load.

 

[Vir Gnarus]

I want to note that while it may "suck in a lot of dust", the reason that dust would accumulate in your system quickly would be if the airflow in your system has a heavy input of outside air but low output of inside air. This can cause heating issues within the interior of the case, especially since it'll quickly build dust in your system which will make matters worse.

As for figuring out how much RAM/VM is being used, the best option is again with HwInfo logs as it'll produce RAM and VM usage as well as voltage, load, etc. I did go back and check the last HwInfo logs you provided, and during high load I noticed your RAM usage was continuing to swell well into the end of the 45-minute session, with no alleviation in sight. Virtual memory (paging file) saw slight release at the end, but it's RAM we're most concerned about. At 45-minutes it was seeing like 70% load and was continuously climbing.

I'm currently trying to determine what's the best means of logging exact processes and all that's using up data. You could use the Performance or Resource Monitors (preferably Resource) to watch processes and your overall memory usage time from time when running something of high load, but I don't believe this is a reliable compromise. I'll look into it.

 

[ant9985]

Thanks for replying again. Iv started to think kaspersky internet security is linked to causing the bsod, since i haven't had any lockups since i uninstalled it, and it is a resource hog i think, so it might be taking up too much of my ram..

I loaded memtest86 on a cd and am gonna run it overnight tonight.

 

[ant9985]

I ran memtest86, 8 passes without error.

 

[Vir Gnarus]

So far with Kaspersky uninstalled you've had no problematic symptoms? Kaspersky should not exhibit such resource-intensive behavior unless it harbors a memory leaking bug of some kind or something else is interfering with it and causing a conflict that would create such behavior. Have you made sure to keep the Kaspersky software up to date?

 

[ant9985]

Yep, i just checked event viewer to confirm it, no bugchecks/unexpected shutdowns since the 12th of this month.
Yep, iv been using kaspersky 2012.
Iv been using kaspersky for years also(had this bsod problem for a long time too).

 

[Vir Gnarus]

I think something may be conflicting with it and causing it to produce abnormal behavior. Though without knowing what's conflicting it (you may need to talk to their support team and browse their support forums), you may need to end up resorting to another AV solution (free MSE works fine, as well as Avast if you prefer something with more features).

 

[Maguscreed]

Don't be so sure, sometimes the virtual drivers for a antivirus just don't work with a specific system. I have seen it often. Rather than starting down the path of blaming everything in creation other than the software/hardware/person that caused the problem is just going to lead you down a endless road of debugging.

See this is the reason I don't fanboy stuff. Every single hardware/software I have ever known has managed to mess up someone's computer. No matter how stable it was on the 25-50 before...