My Issues with Windows 7

[BunBun]

So during the week I made a post titled Windows 7 Rant about the things I dislike in windows 7. Well for whatever reason it got deleted so here is my second attempt. This time however I am going to outline my issues and give solutions where I have found them.

Last weekend I downloaded a retail iso of Windows 7 Ultimate and installed it to my external hard drive to try out. If I could get it running satisfactory then I would go out and buy the OEM disc and install it on my main raid array. However I ran into some show stoppers that until today prevented me from even considering it.

Quickly those issues were poor performance (UI elements slow, laggy, screen corruption), ugly UI (huge taskbar, windows bahaving not consistently), notification area creates a new window to show hidden icons, and not enough options to customize the UI to my preference.

On the first issue, I have since fixed it. I had installed the latest graphics drivers but that didn't fix the poor performance. For example dragging windows was choppy (only applied to windows with aero effects) and playing games gave me about half the FPS I saw in Vista. However Windows 7 came with an older version of the Nvidia drivers so I downloaded driver cleaner and through multiple reboots I finally managed to get everything uninstalled. After running DC the first time it got rid of the ones I installed but it still installed the one that came with windows. Took me several attempts to clear that one off. Once I finally did though I reinstalled the latest driver from Nvidia and now... wow. Everything is awesome now. Everything is responsive and games like WoW run so much smoother. Now I can see why people rave about Windows 7 performance. However I still hate the UI.

Next thing was the huge taskbar that lacked quicklauch. I could go on but if you right click on the taskbar and go to properties and check use small icons box and select never combine from the drop down box and then right click and unpin each of the items that are on the taskbar from default; Much better. Quick launch is easy to re-enable. Just create a folder somewhere called quick launch and then right click the taskbar, toolbars, new toolbar, and point it to the quick launch folder you created. I like the idea of useing the taskbar icons for things isntead of the systray and the jumplists that can come off them (like windows explorer and internet explorer. being able to preview all my tabs from the taskbar is handy). But the pined icons are just too big and I hate how they move when the program is then open. Quick Launch is much more intuitive and streamlined. Also I wish I could remove the show desktop icon on the right. Another thing is the context menu from taskbar items is missing the move command (so on multi monitor setups windows can get lost if a display is off, dissconected or in another room with no way of retreiving them) and gets cluttered and takes longer to load/appear. You can access the new menu by left clicking and draggin up on them so I wish the right click context menu was left alone.

More on the ugly UI... I can not fathom how people can say Windows 7 is so complete and polished and is everything vista should have been. So many times I open up a properties dialog box and its useing old UI elements and looks plain ugly (or has tabs showing for one tab...). Heck the fonts installation dialog box still uses elements from pre XP... seriously wtf? Also notification windows now sometimes just have a white background and invisible buttons... not only is it hard to read its hard to know what is a button and what isn't, it's very annoying. And again with the consistnecy problem some notifcation windows show a background with invisible buttons and some then have a grey bar at the bottom with some buttons... not to mention these windows can take up 30%+ of my screen on a huge 24" monitor. I could go on but I found something that fixes some of these problems and explains my issues... ClassicShell. In a nutshell my qualms with Windows 7 (starting with vista really) is that UI elements take up way too much of my screen, are inconsistent, not intuitive, and too flashy. A pretty OS is fine... but if it loses functionality or takes longer to do simple tasks then there is a problem.

Issues with the notification area... instead of rehashing this again go here. Though I do love the increased control over hiding icons and ability to hide system icons rather then just disabling them.

Alright that said here are a few things I love about Windows 7

1. Improved overall performance/responsiveness in Applications and Games
2. Ability to uninstall/disable unused programs such as Windows Media Center
3. Jumplist/Preview ability from taskbar items
4. Powershell
5. Something else that made me go WOW today but I cant remember... will edit when I do remember.
6. When shutting down it is a smooth/quick process. Vista would black out the screen and chug.
7. Ability to burn ISO's natively

Alright so here is a list of my tweaks that have made Windows 7 a definite upgrade over Vista for me.

1. Disable UAC, Action Center, Windows Defender.
2. Turn on small icons and disable grouping of taskbar items. Link
3. In the Windows Features windows disable Indexing Service, DVD Maker, Media Center, Windows Gadget Platform, XPS services/viewer.
4. Disable Superfetch and Readyboost services (may not be suitable to all users)
5. Go through task scheduler and disable anything you may not running on its own, like the troubleshooting/error reporting things (practically everything for me).
6. Disable system restore and automatic restarting on system crash
7. Disable page file (good for systems with more then enough RAM i.e. 6GB+)
8. Disable hibernation type powercfg –H off at a cmd prompt.
9. Take ownership of windows folder (seriously as the administrator of my computer I dont have access to my files?) takeown /F C:\Windows /R
10. Disable libraries. Link
11. Disable homegroup. Link
12. Show hidden files and protected files and disable hiding of known extensions.

I found The Ultimate Windows Tweaker while searching for a way to make my start menu more how I like and found it could do many of the tweaks above that I normally do manually. It has found permanent residence on my USB drive.

Using my tweaks, Ultimate Windows Tweaker, and Classic Shell... here is my result.

I really dislike how driving signing/error reporting and other things that used to be in various control panel property windows are now more difficult (some impossible) to disable or change. Overall I am very unhappy with windows 7 in this respect. Things that you used to be able to change can no longer be changed and new things are forced upon users with no options (right click context menus on taskbar tiems, notification area jumplist instead of expanding button, etc.). One of the times bragged about Windows 7 is its compatibility with older software. How about compatibility with its userbase?

Two things still big on my figure out list... right click context menu's on taskbar items and notification area. If anyone knows how to restore the old right click context menu's onto taskbar items (there still there when you right click on a window... but seriously what use is the move command if you already can click on the window!!!!) and/or how to make the notification area expand to the left instead of creating a new window... please do tell.

And for the record Windows XP still boots/shuts down and responds overall faster then Windows 7 and is less of a memory hog. However the video subsystem in 7 (started with vista) is finally properly implemented and improves video performance substantionally.

Now I am off to backup my main raid array and format for Windows 7. This post was just to put out there things I dislike about Windows 7 and some of my tricks to make it work for me. If anyone knows a way to fix something I have complained about (or a better method to what I have done already) please do tell.

 

[Lebon14]

Well, if you run it from an external drive... the problem is there. Why? USB is much much slower than S-ATA or IDE (well, in version 1.1 and 2.0).

Use an internal one and see what I mean

(original post edited because I saw that the other poster after me didn't care)

 

[joel406]

Running Windows 7 from a USB drive is probably the essence of your trouble. Every issue you are complaining about is non-exsistent in every system I have seen that runs Win7.

Your issues seem more like they are located directly between the keyboard and your chair, rather then within the OS itself.

Windows 7 continues to out perform and to be easier to use than any OS anywhere.

Prehaps a class would help you understand your computer better and your issues will magically evaporate.

 

[IggyAZ]

HI BunBun,
I found your message quite informative in the steps you took to adjust WIN7.
You have a nice computer setup so I'm sure you have some skills by your Win7 tweaks. I especially took note of your TAKEOWN /F C:\Windows /R command (Very nice)

So you are presently running Vista 64 bit. Do you plan on buying Win7 and doing a full install?

I think you can become a valuable asset here but I would suggest you take a deep breath and chill out because you sound like you have a chip on your shoulded about Win7. If you plan on installing Win7 properly I'm sure you will see that it is probably the best OS Windows has ffered from day one and I have used every single one of them.

Anyway, I enjoyed your comments and hope you come back in a more relaxed state and join in on the cobversations.

 

[Tepid]

installed it to my external hard drive

Is the first problem with all of your choppy/slowness issues.

Take ownership of windows folder (seriously as the administrator of my computer I dont have access to my files?

Because you are not supposed to be running as a full admin.
It's your choice to do so, but it is not good etiquette.

Please keep in mind that Win 7 is NOT XP and should not be viewed the same or used the same.

Disable page file (good for systems with more then enough RAM i.e. 6GB+)

Regardless of what you know from before with this. It is not a good idea to run without a pagefile. Windows runs better with one. Yes, it's a controversial issue. But, I have done all of them and have found that overall it is better to run with one than without.
Regardless of how much ram you have.
Set it Static 4096 for both Min/Max if you have more than 4G of Ram.

If you want to defrag it regularly, find the reg key (around everywhere) to delete page file on shutdown.

Disable UAC, Action Center, Windows Defender.

There is not a single solitary reason for doing this. Not one.

And for the record Windows XP still boots/shuts down and responds overall faster then Windows 7 and is less of a memory hog.

Win 7 is not XP. 7 Handles Memory better and uses it differently. Don't compare them.

Win 7 over all is the best OS released from MS. Far Exceeds XP, and is better than Vista.
You will be happier with it running it properly than how you are from an external drive over USB or eSata. Yes, eSata is considered equivalent to running internal, but you have to take the external drive caddy controller into account.

What in the world would give you the impression it would run flawless that way?

move command

If you are using Aero,,, hold cursor over icon on taskbar
wait for image to appear
Right click the app bar in the image and select Move
Yea, a bit cumbersome, but it's there.

notification area expand to the left instead of creating a new window

you need to elaborate on this one.

 

[BunBun]

Last weekend I downloaded a retail iso of Windows 7 Ultimate and installed it to my external hard drive to try out.

This is the reason why your last thread got deleted : You downloaded and installed an non-legit copy of Windows 7. We do not offer help to people that downloads the OS illegally and we don't encourage the discussion of illegal software.

Buy a retail version of Windows 7 and then, come back with your issues. If your ISO was from the 30$ special, then I'm sorry about the above statement (you didn't specify).

It is a retail copy and I have it installed not activated for the 30 days in which I am allowed. I have done nothing illiegal nor is my copy of windows a source of my issues (as it is a legit ISO verified).

If you read my post you see I am backing up and formatting my raid as we speak as since I have fixed most of my problems (no thanks to people like you) I have received a legit OEM copy and plan to install it. I am sorry that I refuse to fork out cash for a product that I have never tried and is the main interface to which I do my daily work/play!

Running Windows 7 from a USB drive is probably the essence of your trouble. Every issue you are complaining about is non-exsistent in every system I have seen that runs Win7.

Your issues seem more like they are located directly between the keyboard and your chair, rather then within the OS itself.

Windows 7 continues to out perform and to be easier to use than any OS anywhere.

Prehaps a class would help you understand your computer better and your issues will magically evaporate.

If you re-read I said external drive. Not USB. It is a 1TB Hitatchi connected via eSata getting over 230MB/s burst and 130MB/S average read speeds.

UI design flaw and lack of options are most definily not a fault of mine as I did not directly work on the Windows 7 project with Microsoft.

Please carefully re-read my post before you comment further.

HI BunBun,
I found your message quite informative in the steps you took to adjust WIN7.
You have a nice computer setup so I'm sure you have some skills by your Win7 tweaks. I especially took note of your TAKEOWN /F C:\Windows /R command (Very nice)

So you are presently running Vista 64 bit. Do you plan on buying Win7 and doing a full install?

I think you can become a valuable asset here but I would suggest you take a deep breath and chill out because you sound like you have a chip on your shoulded about Win7. If you plan on installing Win7 properly I'm sure you will see that it is probably the best OS Windows has ffered from day one and I have used every single one of them.

Anyway, I enjoyed your comments and hope you come back in a more relaxed state and join in on the cobversations.

Thank you.

I am currently running Vista 64bit but am in the process of backing up to format for Windows 7 64bit. After fixing the majority of my issues I purchased an OEM copy.

There is nothing improper about my current installation of Win 7 other then it is on a single hard drive vs my faster raid array. My issues with Win 7 are it has been hyped up so much and it did not live up to my expectations other then the video performance. Everyone I have talked to raves on about how finished and polished Win 7 is and that couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[BunBun]

installed it to my external hard drive

Is the first problem with all of your choppy/slowness issues.

Take ownership of windows folder (seriously as the administrator of my computer I dont have access to my files?

Because you are not supposed to be running as a full admin.
It's your choice to do so, but it is not good etiquette.

Please keep in mind that Win 7 is NOT XP and should not be viewed the same or used the same.

Regardless of what you know from before with this. It is not a good idea to run without a pagefile. Windows runs better with one. Yes, it's a controversial issue. But, I have done all of them and have found that overall it is better to run with one than without.
Regardless of how much ram you have.
Set it Static 4096 for both Min/Max if you have more than 4G of Ram.

If you want to defrag it regularly, find the reg key (around everywhere) to delete page file on shutdown.

Disable UAC, Action Center, Windows Defender.

There is not a single solitary reason for doing this. Not one.

And for the record Windows XP still boots/shuts down and responds overall faster then Windows 7 and is less of a memory hog.

Win 7 is not XP. 7 Handles Memory better and uses it differently. Don't compare them.

Win 7 over all is the best OS released from MS. Far Exceeds XP, and is better than Vista.
You will be happier with it running it properly than how you are from an external drive over USB or eSata. Yes, eSata is considered equivalent to running internal, but you have to take the external drive caddy controller into account.

What in the world would give you the impression it would run flawless that way?

1. If my external harddrive is causeing my slowness then everyone I know must be experiencing it too cause their HD's are a lot slower then mine is...

2. If I as the power user am not to have full admin rights then who is?

3. How is pageing anything from ram (10,000MB/s +) to a hard drive (400mb/s burst <200mb/s average) going to help anything run better?

FYI I have done extensive testing on this matter with both the pagefile and superfetch so I highly reccomend you move off that topic as it was not the topic of this thread.

4. Why should I not disable useless features that just rob my performance and annoy the hell out of me (as the power user)?

5. As they are both OS's provided by Microsoft and I am forced to use Windows 7 (for many reasons that I am not getting into here) why should I not compare them based on their peformance and how they affect my daily life? Who cares if it handles memory better if it means less performance (that is a blanket statement by the way dont take it litterally).

I understand the benefits of 7 which is why I am going through this process so I can use it effectively in my daily life. But the fact still stands that a couple important issues that I and others care about have still not been fully addressed. I have XP machines that boot in less then 20 seconds from the time you press the power button. I can't do that with 7.

6. There is absolutely zero difference between my external drive and a internally mounted one. If I cared enough I would link screenshots of benchmarks of the drive however I am sure you would all just ignore it anyway.

 

[bigmck]

Everyone I have talked to raves on about how finished and polished Win 7 is and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Everybody is wrong..................

 

[Frostmourne]

The pagefile is necessary as some app's expect it to be there. You also should never install to an external drive no matter what connection is have. Disable the security features at your own peril - and 7 is infinitely superior to XP in every way.

 

[BunBun]

Everyone I have talked to raves on about how finished and polished Win 7 is and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Everybody is wrong..................

Not wrong perse, just exagerated or something.

Also after exploring this more I am starting to find more and more people who agree with me.

It just bugs me that Vista got so much flak and 7 gets all the praise. It's a complete reversal and both are unwarranted.

 

[BunBun]

The pagefile is necessary as some app's expect it to be there. You also should never install to an external drive no matter what connection is have. Disable the security features at your own peril - and 7 is infinitely superior to XP in every way.

I have never had an issue with any program while not running with a pagefile.

Give me one good reason why installing to an external drive that is connected via eSata is any different then running on a drive that is internally mounted into the case?

And your last comment is false. Can I install and run 7 light weight on a system with 512mb of ram? It is superior in many ways but to make a blanket statement like you just did couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Frostmourne]

The pagefile is necessary as some app's expect it to be there. You also should never install to an external drive no matter what connection is have. Disable the security features at your own peril - and 7 is infinitely superior to XP in every way.

I have never had an issue with any program while not running with a pagefile.

Give me one good reason why installing to an external drive that is connected via eSata is any different then running on a drive that is internally mounted into the case?

And your last comment is false. Can I install and run 7 light weight on a system with 512mb of ram? It is superior in many ways but to make a blanket statement like you just did couldn't be more wrong.

No one with any sense would bother installing a modern 21st century OS on 20th century obsolete hardware and expect it to be like XP. This thread should be closed. There are other people who actually need help instead of having a whine.

 

[BunBun]

The pagefile is necessary as some app's expect it to be there. You also should never install to an external drive no matter what connection is have. Disable the security features at your own peril - and 7 is infinitely superior to XP in every way.

I have never had an issue with any program while not running with a pagefile.

Give me one good reason why installing to an external drive that is connected via eSata is any different then running on a drive that is internally mounted into the case?

And your last comment is false. Can I install and run 7 light weight on a system with 512mb of ram? It is superior in many ways but to make a blanket statement like you just did couldn't be more wrong.

No one with any sense would bother installing a modern 21st century OS on 20th century obsolete hardware and expect it to be like XP. This thread should be closed. There are other people who actually need help instead of having a whine.

I am not having a whine. I had some issues with Windows 7. I have fixed some and shared with others what I did to make it work for me and make it viable. Is that not what this community is for? Also so many people rave on about the OS I feel it only fair that people who don't see it as perfect have their opinion shared as well.

I also have a few issues left that I will continue to look into further but I happened to include them in the original post.

And I am not talking about old hardware. I am talking about low power mobile devices or other such smaller platforms. Until Windows 7 can fill all facets of the hardware XP will still have a need. Windows 7 is not perfect and boot times/memory usage is still an issue a lot of people care about. Regardless of how much better it is in other area's, this fact still stands.

 

[Frostmourne]

Did you clean install or upgrade? To rule out any further issues, I'd run chkdsk on the hard drive, Memtest86+ on the memory for a pass, and then Prime 95 for a couple of hours on the CPU. Before all this, fully update all your drivers including chipset and firmware, then defrag the PC.

Use the guide in my sig. If your hardware passes the diagnostics then 7 and the software will need to be addressed. What antivirus are you using? Any 7 registry tweaks or apps?

 

[BunBun]

Did you clean install or upgrade? To rule out any further issues, I'd run chkdsk on the hard drive, Memtest86+ on the memory for a pass, and then Prime 95 for a couple of hours on the CPU. Before all this, fully update all your drivers including chipset and firmware, then defrag the PC.

Use the guide in my sig. If your hardware passes the diagnostics then 7 and the software will need to be addressed. What antivirus are you using? Any 7 registry tweaks or apps?

It was a clean install. Hard drive is brand new and freshly formatted. All my hardware has passed many stress testing methods including Memtest86+, Prime 95 for greater then 24 hours. Latest drivers were downloaded for everything before installation of Windows 7.

No antivirus installed as A) this is a testing partition B) I use a linux box as my front end before my network that runs firewall and antivirus on all traffic in and out of my router.

 

[Tepid]

Re-read my first post,, I added stuff.

 

[Tepid]

Oh,, and about that whole reboot time thing with 7 versus XP?

Maybe this will give you an idea..... http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/592-reboot-time.html

 

[Frostmourne]

Did you clean install or upgrade? To rule out any further issues, I'd run chkdsk on the hard drive, Memtest86+ on the memory for a pass, and then Prime 95 for a couple of hours on the CPU. Before all this, fully update all your drivers including chipset and firmware, then defrag the PC.

Use the guide in my sig. If your hardware passes the diagnostics then 7 and the software will need to be addressed. What antivirus are you using? Any 7 registry tweaks or apps?

It was a clean install. Hard drive is brand new and freshly formatted. All my hardware has passed many stress testing methods including Memtest86+, Prime 95 for greater then 24 hours. Latest drivers were downloaded for everything before installation of Windows 7.

No antivirus installed as A) this is a testing partition B) I use a linux box as my front end before my network that runs firewall and antivirus on all traffic in and out of my router.

Then ensure 7 is fully patched, followed by looking at reliability monitor, sending the reports and filtering the application event log for errors in event viewer.

 

[BunBun]

Re-read my first post,, I added stuff.

Thank you for the move command help! I will have to check this out when I get 7 installed on my raid array (as I have removed it off my external for room to back up stuff). I agree that it would be a bit cumbersome but the fact is its there! I know a few people personally who will be very grateful for this.

This is what the community is for

And the notification area thing... what I mean is in XP and Vista when you click on the arrow to show hidden icons it moved to the left revealing the hidden icons. However in Windows 7 it creates a new window above which involves moving your eye and mouse further to access hidden icons (which I do frequently I just hide them all to clean up my screen). It is just a major annoyance for me and others I have discussed it with. I love the new bahaviour and functionality of the notification area... I just wish there was an option or a way to have it expand to the left to show hidden icons like it used to.

 

[BunBun]

Then ensure 7 is fully patched, followed by looking at reliability monitor, sending the reports and filtering the application event log for errors in event viewer.

It is fully updated.

I will check the event logs.