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TerriL85

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I have a PowerSpec computer purchased from MicroCenter two years ago. It's been a wonderful machine until about a week ago. It came from the factory with a 64gb SSD drive, which was becoming too small for my needs. We purchased a 256gb Crucial SSD several months ago and finally got around to cloning it with Macrium Reflect and installing it in place of the 64gb sometime around 11/20/13. (We also have two 2tb drives with a raid setup, factory settings that haven't been changed since we purchased. It's the option to have a total of 4tb's of storage rather than having the drives mirror each other. Sorry for the beginner descriptions)

Everything worked great for a few weeks after replacing the 64gb with 256gb Crucial. Computer was running fast and smooth, no sign of any issues. Then one day last week, I came home from errands to find only the Windows wallpaper on the monitor. I tried control-alt-delete and things got really weird. Instead of having task manager, etc. appear, I got a message that I didn't catch, but I thought it said something about security and accounts. I wouldn't want to put any money on it, though, because I'm just not sure. Then a crash and upon trying to reboot, there was a message saying there was no bootable drive. The SSD wasn't recognized.

We tried several times to get the machine to recognize the drive but no success. Tried using the Windows install disk but it couldn't install on the SSD because it didn't exist. We put the original 64gb drive back in and the computer seemed to function normally. We went out and purchased a Samsung 250gb SSD and tried installing that, fully expecting that the issue was isolated to the Crucial SSD. But we were surprised to see that the Samsung didn't work either!

The next morning, we took the machine to a repair shop nearby. We've used them before but this time there was a new tech there, and we quickly realized he's not very knowledgeable. Very disappointing to have him say that there are "extra microsoft files" running in the background that are unnecessary and are probably clogging things up, overworking the computer, etc. Plus, he uninstalled my antivirus (Avast) but didn't tell us he was going to do that. When we called later to say we didn't like being left without protection, that he should have at least let us know, he just said he doesn't like Avast and steers people away from it. And that the computer was fine now and we shouldn't have any problems, and also he didn't experience the problem in his shop (the SSD drive not recognized). He also installed a new 750W Corsair power supply for us, which was just something we wanted to do, separate from the "repair."

We started the computer when we got it home and it seemed okay. I reinstalled Avast, shut down the machine for the night. Started it the next morning and within fifteen minutes or so, same crash except this time I was actually sitting at the desk to see it happen rather than being out and coming home to just the wallpaper. The first thing that happened was everything was frozen except the cursor. Then the cursor froze, too. I tried control-alt-delete and got the blue screen that's usually behind the task manager and other options, only it said "preparing security options". Then the machine tried to reboot on its own, but the message about no bootable device was the result.

So... we took the machine to Microcenter the next day. They had it for two days. The technician said he updated the firmware on the Crucial drive, that since we'd purchased it quite a while ago and waited to install it, the firmware was outdated. Said the machine runs "sweet" and that we wouldn't have the problem again.

Got it home just a couple of hours ago, had it on for maybe fifteen minutes, and it crashed. No bootable device again! Except this time after a couple of tries and unplugging it once, it booted and I'm now looking at the windows desktop and doing a scan for malware using Malwarebytes. I used Avast's uninstall utility to completely remove Avast first, mostly just so I can rule it out even though I don't think it's the problem. We have it on several other computers, all using the same version and same updates, and there's no issue. The computer I'm on right now that sits next to the problematic machine has Avast on it. (I'm not adverse to using another antivirus if Avast is ever a problem, just haven't had a reason to switch)

I came here because I'm frustrated that we've had the machine in for repairs twice with two different people, two different companies, and we have yet to be told what's causing this problem. I'm confused because the new 256gb drive worked fine for a few weeks before the crash and burn. Also, the 64gb drive seems to work fine. And the Crucial drive won't screw up in front of repairmen, which is driving me crazy.

I've come to these forums so many times in the past and found answers to questions I had. And it occurred to me tonight that maybe someone here can at least tell me what to say to the techs at Microcenter when we take it back again. Possibly something I can ask them to check that they're not checking on their own. I don't think they did anything with the BIOS or motherboard because, as I was told, the guy who goes more in depth with hardware (I think that's what was said) isn't in till Thursday. But I got the feeling if I could just direct someone to check something specific, they could before then. I shouldn't have to do that, but this is just really frustrating that no one's isolating this problem.

I'd appreciate any advice or information that might help. Thanks so much.
 

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As a first cheap measure I would get a new Sata cable and also check the power cable. Also change the port for the Sata cable. It sounds like an intermittent hardware problem.

Check with a live Linux or WinPE CD or stick whether you can access the disk.
 

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Thanks for the quick reply. Making a note of your suggestion.
 

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Thanks for the quick reply. Making a note of your suggestion.
I edited the post.

If you want, download this Macrium WinPE iso from my skydrive and burn that to CD. Then boot the PC with this CD and see whether you can access the disk. If yes, it would not be a hardware problem.

This is a quick check which takes 15 minutes. For dealing with Macrium on the CD, see this. For now you don't have to learn the whole saga - just enough to know how to 'see' a disk.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/73828-imaging-free-macrium.html?ltr=I

PS: If you get messages when you boot with the CD, just click 'Continue".
 

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I really appreciate your help. Downloading now and will get back to you with results.
 

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It is just to establish whether you have a hardware or a OS problem. Then we'll see further. The WinPE CD brings it's own Windows which has nothing to do with the OS you have on the SSD.
 

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Here is a 'Quick Guide'
 

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I can't even say how much I appreciate the time you're taking to help and to explain in a way I can understand. I wish you worked at Microcenter :) The crazy thing right now is I have to wait for it to crash again before I can follow your instructions. I have the CD ready to go and the computer is still being scanned by Malwarebytes. I started the scan not long after the machine finally booted following that last crash I referred to, and Malwarebytes indicates the time elapsed so far is 1 hour and 30 minutes. Unfortunately, I have no doubt it'll crash at some point.
 

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Don't worry about my time. As a retiree I have not much else to do and it gets me away from the wife's 'Honeydews' :D

I will be around until about midnight EST and then back tomorrow. Once we know whether we are dealing with a hardware or a software problem, then we can do more analysis.
 

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That made me smile, which I thought was impossible in the midst of all this frustration :D Thanks for that, too! It's comforting to know you'll be around the forum tomorrow. I'm anxious to try the CD.
 

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Just wanted to check in and let you know the drive has been operating without a crash since last night. I'm not confident the issue is resolved, though. Still planning to use the CD as instructed whenever I experience the crash again. I was reading the Microcenter tech's notes regarding the Crucial SSD firmware update, which is the only 'repair' that's been performed. Seems to relate to a failure at power up. In my situation, however, the failure occurs during Windows operation even when the machine is simply idle with no applications running. I wish I knew why the drive has been functioning for almost 24 hours without crashing because there doesn't seem to have been any fix applied other than firmware update that doesn't address what's happening, and I had a crash after booting the computer at home with the update installed. The only other change is uninstalling Avast, but other computers here are using the version I had on the crashing machine, all the same settings, and have no issues from it. Thanks again for all your help. I'll check back when the random crash occurs.
 

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I am sure whether the firmware could be the culprit. My M4 runs on stone age firmware andd never gave me any problems. I always go by the old saying - if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 

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I try to follow that advice, too :) The 64gb SSD that came with the machine never had a problem, and I never installed firmware updates. I was happy with it and only replaced it to have more space available. I was told Crucial is a good brand so didn't expect any problems with the 256.
 

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Crucial is a good make. Although recently I like Mushkin. Just bought a 240GB for $138. I once had a 2 year old Muskin die and they replaced it without asking any questions. And all of that within 2 hours turnaround - plus the shipping time of course.
 

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That's a great price! I will look into that brand, thanks for the recommendation :)
 

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It was on special at Newegg on 11/26.
 

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That was an amazing price. Just checked and it has gone up but still reasonable. I'll be watching for another sale! I was happy to read that you have a positive opinion of Crucials, too, since you seem very knowledgeable. I'm learning as I go and hoping this 256 behaves!
 

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Yeah, you always have to look for sales. I have the NewEgg feed so I get their daily specials. My wife gets them from Amazon and I sometimes look into TigerDirect. But there I have to pay sales tax because they are in Florida.

You may want to follow this thread that I have started long time ago. The guys always post specials there.
 

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I'm back with another update, hopefully the last :) The machine ran flawlessly for two days, I made sure everything was backed up again. Shut it down (nervously) last night and tried booting this morning. No bootable device, plus another message I hadn't gotten before: "A disk read error occurred. Press ctrl/alt/delete to restart". I did this three times, and on the 4th attempt, the message was back to C drive not recognized, "no bootable device". [I'm editing to say that the machine wouldn't recognize the macrium disk, and in trying to use the Windows disk, I couldn't do anything because the message said there was no drive to install to.]

We took the computer back to the shop and finally appear to have an answer -- the motherboard needs to be replaced. I'm cynical and still wondering if this is, indeed, the solution because we've been told two times already that the computer was fixed only to find the problem persisted. Fingers crossed this time!

Will be spending this snowy weekend reinstalling everything and hoping the computer is finally fixed!

Thanks again for your kindness and advice, whs. You're an asset to this forum and you certainly helped calm my nerves! I will post again if necessary, but for now will try to be optimistic and mark this thread as solved. :)
 

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Well, the motherboard is always the fix of last resort. Let's hope these guys know what they are talking about.

How are you going to handle the OS reinstallation. The OEM version of the old mobo will not activate. You may have to make a call to the Microsoft Activation Center to explain your case and get them to activate the OS.
 

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HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops
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Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
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from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
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2x HP w2207
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5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals
Keyboard
with trackball - no mices
Mouse
Trackball mice
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