Overheating..

[DreadStarX]

You can check my profile for my computer specs..

That's the graphic of my problems. My computer overheats just doing basic things.

In this screenshot I have EVE Online running in the background, it overheats to above 210 degree's when I'm playing EVE. At 225 - 230 degree's it shuts down as a safety precaution. My computers only a year and few months old. I built it back in August of 2009, so as you can imagine, I'm pretty pissed off.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Things I've done already:

1. New Thermal Paste on the CPU & Heatsink.
2. dusted all the fans out.

After this, I'm not sure what to do.

 

[richc46]

I have given these articles to others and they were very helpful.

How to Prevent Desktop Computer Overheating | eHow.com
Langa Letter: Curing Laptop Overheating -- PC Maintenance -- InformationWeek

 

[DreadStarX]

I have given these articles to others and they were very helpful.

How to Prevent Desktop Computer Overheating | eHow.com
Langa Letter: Curing Laptop Overheating -- PC Maintenance -- InformationWeek

I've done everything he's listed. It's not the case temperature that's bad, it's the CPU temperature. Running a fan on the side does nothing with the case temp.

 

[an4rew]

Too much compound can increase temperatures it only takes a small amount on the middle.
Try reseating the heatsink again.

Does it feel hot to touch, could be a dodgy sensor reporting incorrect temp.

 

[Fumz]

...Things I've done already:

1. New Thermal Paste on the CPU & Heatsink.
2. dusted all the fans out.

What heatsink and fan do you have? What speed(s) does the fan operate?

 

[DreadStarX]

Too much compound can increase temperatures it only takes a small amount on the middle.
Try reseating the heatsink again.

Does it feel hot to touch, could be a dodgy sensor reporting incorrect temp.

It does feel hot, but i followed directions on the thermal paste container, and I watched a few youtube videos on how to properly apply thermal paste.


I'm just wondering if people can give me some advice on how to either fix this on my end or send my stuff in. ASUS has been giving me the run around, as with Intel, which is starting to piss me off. I just can't go out an buy new stuff, I'm jobless atm

 

[sandeep108]

It really looks like the thermal paste issue, since the fans are going ok and presumably you are not overclocked.

AFAIK, I needed to use a razor blade or knife to apply a very thin layer of the paste. Some CPUs nowadays also come with a thin thermal pad. Maybe you can try obtaining a pad.

One more thought occurs - have you mounted the heatsink properly after applying the thermal paste?

 

[wilywombat]

Unless my old eyes are deceiving me but those CPU voltages are just about maxed out...Maybe try winding them back to stock voltages and see if the heat problem goes....Then overclock to recommended settings for your system?

 

[Fumz]

Too much compound can increase temperatures it only takes a small amount on the middle.
Try reseating the heatsink again.

Does it feel hot to touch, could be a dodgy sensor reporting incorrect temp.

It does feel hot, but i followed directions on the thermal paste container, and I watched a few youtube videos on how to properly apply thermal paste.


I'm just wondering if people can give me some advice on how to either fix this on my end or send my stuff in. ASUS has been giving me the run around, as with Intel, which is starting to piss me off. I just can't go out an buy new stuff, I'm jobless atm

Fingers are not good at measuring temperature... it's a moisture thing... just because it doesn't "feel" hot, doesn't mean that it's not too hot. Clearly, looking at your HM temps, it's too hot.

My initial thoughts are that all those HD's are impeding your case airflow, but because your vid card isn't overly hot, I'm leaning towards too much thermal paste. What paste are you using? If you're using the good stuff, you only need an amount about equal to 1/3 a grain of white rice.

Of course, it could be your fan. You could have inadvertently blown dust into the rotor... which is why I asked if it was running at normal speed?

***edit***

vcore is just fine given you've got a game open and running.

 

[MacGyvr]

It really looks like the thermal paste issue, since the fans are going ok and presumably you are not overclocked.

AFAIK, I needed to use a razor blade or knife to apply a very thin layer of the paste. Some CPUs nowadays also come with a thin thermal pad. Maybe you can try obtaining a pad.

One more thought occurs - have you mounted the heatsink properly after applying the thermal paste?

The razor blade stuff is complete crap, and for the most part, the "too much paste" myth is as well. The truth is, if you have too much paste, it's going to squeeze out the sides when you put the fan on and clamp it down. The paste will be flattened out to the amount it needs to be unless you put HUGE globs on. Of course you don't want any coming out the sides, but you don't want a razor thin layer either...it's simply not enough. You want enough that the entire metal surface is covered AFTER compression...it's fairly easy to eyeball this and get it right if you think about it as you apply.

 

[Fumz]

The razor blade stuff is complete crap, and for the most part, the "too much paste" myth is as well. The truth is, if you have too much paste, it's going to squeeze out the sides when you put the fan on and clamp it down. The paste will be flattened out to the amount it needs to be unless you put HUGE globs on. Of course you don't want any coming out the sides, but you don't want a razor thin layer either...it's simply not enough. You want enough that the entire metal surface is covered AFTER compression...it's fairly easy to eyeball this and get it right if you think about it as you apply.

This is, of course, going to depend on the paste you buy and how well lapped your heatsink is... and whether it's slightly beveled or not.

As for less is better being crap, I respectfully disagree. The amount of paste applied has a direct impact on the transfer of heat. Paste isn't meant to be a conductor, it's only function is to fill in the microscopic holes left behind after the lapping process, so really, you only need very little. It's the heatsink's job to displace heat, not the paste's.

I use a very small amount... 1/3 grain of rice.. then I set the heatsink and give it a twist. After that I remove the heatsink and rub the paste in with my finger (rubber gloves, or saran wrap will do in a pinch). I do the same with the what's left behind on the core and call it a day.

 

[Ageeb]

Unless my old eyes are deceiving me but those CPU voltages are just about maxed out...Maybe try winding them back to stock voltages and see if the heat problem goes....Then overclock to recommended settings for your system?

The screen was captured with EVE running. I think you're just seeing Speedstep kicked in.
Voltage range .85-1.3625v.

Did this system run fine for the year it's been built?
Did you monitor temps the whole time and this is a recent problem?
Did you add components over that course of the year like HDD's? (thereby changing airflow dramatically, possibly)?

This is, of course, going to depend on the paste you buy and how well lapped your heatsink is... and whether it's slightly beveled or not.

As for less is better being crap, I respectfully disagree. The amount of paste applied has a direct impact on the transfer of heat. Paste isn't meant to be a conductor, it's only function is to fill in the microscopic holes left behind after the lapping process, so really, you only need very little. It's the heatsink's job to displace heat, not the paste's.

I use a very small amount... 1/3 grain of rice.. then I set the heatsink and give it a twist. After that I remove the heatsink and rub the paste in with my finger (rubber gloves, or saran wrap will do in a pinch). I do the same with the what's left behind on the core and call it a day.

As for application, this!

 

[smarteyeball]

What heatsink and fan do you have? What speed(s) does the fan operate?

Stock - 3rd party???

I agree with Fumz here re the amount of paste. Cleaning fan blades will only do so much.

All the other temps look fine. The CPU however looks like it's being overclocked and stess tested on a stock HSF.


What are it's idle temps? (unless thathey are it's idle temps )

 

[DreadStarX]

The razor blade stuff is complete crap, and for the most part, the "too much paste" myth is as well. The truth is, if you have too much paste, it's going to squeeze out the sides when you put the fan on and clamp it down. The paste will be flattened out to the amount it needs to be unless you put HUGE globs on. Of course you don't want any coming out the sides, but you don't want a razor thin layer either...it's simply not enough. You want enough that the entire metal surface is covered AFTER compression...it's fairly easy to eyeball this and get it right if you think about it as you apply.

This is, of course, going to depend on the paste you buy and how well lapped your heatsink is... and whether it's slightly beveled or not.

As for less is better being crap, I respectfully disagree. The amount of paste applied has a direct impact on the transfer of heat. Paste isn't meant to be a conductor, it's only function is to fill in the microscopic holes left behind after the lapping process, so really, you only need very little. It's the heatsink's job to displace heat, not the paste's.

I use a very small amount... 1/3 grain of rice.. then I set the heatsink and give it a twist. After that I remove the heatsink and rub the paste in with my finger (rubber gloves, or saran wrap will do in a pinch). I do the same with the what's left behind on the core and call it a day.

I put about a pea size drop on there, spread it all around to where it covered the top of the CPU. That's what the videos on youtube said to do. I'm using Formula 5 Antec Paste.

Unless my old eyes are deceiving me but those CPU voltages are just about maxed out...Maybe try winding them back to stock voltages and see if the heat problem goes....Then overclock to recommended settings for your system?

The screen was captured with EVE running. I think you're just seeing Speedstep kicked in.
Voltage range .85-1.3625v.

Did this system run fine for the year it's been built?
Did you monitor temps the whole time and this is a recent problem?
Did you add components over that course of the year like HDD's? (thereby changing airflow dramatically, possibly)?

Did this system run fine for the year it's been built?
It started acting up about 5 months ago. Temperatures started going up, didn't really think about it until my computer started crashing and not turning back on.

Did you monitor temps the whole time & this is a recent problem?
I didn't monitor temps the whole time it's been built, only recently. I installed a program (CPUID Hardware Monitor), and I was alarmed at the temperature's.

Did you add components over that course of the year like HDD's?

I did add 2 extra drives. I could take some of the hard drives out, I don't think I need 3TB of space when I'm barely using 1TB as it is.

What heatsink and fan do you have? What speed(s) does the fan operate?

Stock - 3rd party???

I agree with Fumz here re the amount of paste. Cleaning fan blades will only do so much.

All the other temps look fine. The CPU however looks like it's being overclocked and stess tested on a stock HSF.


What are it's idle temps? (unless thathey are it's idle temps )

What heatsink & fan do I have?

The stock one that came with the CPU.


I will post another link of idle temperature's before I log off for the night.

Unless my old eyes are deceiving me but those CPU voltages are just about maxed out...Maybe try winding them back to stock voltages and see if the heat problem goes....Then overclock to recommended settings for your system?

To be very honest with you wilywombat, I'm not even sure how to tell if it's overclocked or not. When I built my system, I gave myself a little bit extra room on the power supply area. I wasn't going to get into hard core gaming and what not. EVE is the biggest game I play, and my 9800GTX+ rocks it's world like no other.

If my CPU Voltages are above normals, would you tell me how to change them? I've never overclocked anything.

I'll mention this now, should've been done earlier but It slipped my mind. When I click the "Clr_CMOS" button the back of my computer, it runs Windows & EVE at less than 120 degree's, when I don't click it, it runs idle at 180 degree's Fahrenheit. Give or take some temp.

 

[Ageeb]

The stock one that came with the CPU.

This is going to be your challenge.

Can you get a couple pics of your case setup? Since you said you're out of work at the moment, and can't go out and by stuff maybe we can help you with wire management, and general cooling ideas if we can see what we're workin with.

 

[DreadStarX]

The stock one that came with the CPU.

This is going to be your challenge.

Can you get a couple pics of your case setup? Since you said you're out of work at the moment, and can't go out and by stuff maybe we can help you with wire management, and general cooling ideas if we can see what we're workin with.

I will pull out my camera tomorrow, and take some pictures. I will post back here when I'm done.

 

[DreadStarX]

Here's when my computer is idle.


These temps are still high from what I've been told by a lot of people. Even my buddy who works in a Microsoft Server farm, said these temps were too high.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc58/Xandium/temp2.png


He said the average desktop on a 100% load shouldn't push past 150 - 160, Idle should be 90 - 110. That's also what my brothers computer is running at as well.

 

[wilywombat]

I assumed from the readings in your jpeg that you were overclocking as all the CPU voltages are at the top of the min/max scale. If this is true then that could well be the reason your CPU is chucking out the heat. Maybe have a look around your BIOS settings for a "reset default settings" button to reset the voltages back to recommended stock voltages. The advice given above to replace the stock cooler is a good tip. You can then hunt for any one of a number of "overclocking forums" for advice on clocking your particular setup to get max benefit.

 

[Ageeb]

I assumed from the readings in your jpeg that you were overclocking as all the CPU voltages are at the top of the min/max scale

Normal operting range for Q9400.

Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology

Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology is an advanced means of enabling very high performance while also meeting the power-conservation needs of mobile systems. Conventional Intel SpeedStep Technology switches both voltage and frequency in tandem between high and low levels in response to processor load.

 

[Fumz]

Here's when my computer is idle.


These temps are still high from what I've been told by a lot of people. Even my buddy who works in a Microsoft Server farm, said these temps were too high.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc58/Xandium/temp2.png


He said the average desktop on a 100% load shouldn't push past 150 - 160, Idle should be 90 - 110. That's also what my brothers computer is running at as well.

The rise you have is really incredible... ~ 50C just gaming, or whatever you were doing? Something is amiss for sure. My guess? You eat very large peas.

Secondly, perhaps you should upgrade HW Monitor... I see a reported temp of -26, and we know that's not even close to being accurate... so first, lets get proper reporting.