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Lordbob75 said:
Oh so I am wrong now huh?

Well the real issues is that something changed in MS' coding in the taskbar that is not causing a glitch with the coding of the screensaver. It really is not either parties fault, but the fault is still there. The best idea is to either not use that screensaver, or go back to XP/ Vista.

You might try disabling different things in the taskbar to find the specific area. Try turning off aero too.

~Lordbob
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I take it you've not experienced the issue referred to in this thread?

I find it amazing that all these screensavers, some as popular as Fliqlo, have been running on 95, 98, me/2000, XP, Vista (which also had aero) and any other iteration one cares to mention!... and they worked fine. The taskbar didn't go invisible on us.

Now, we've got W7 - and yes it's had a beta, but the chances are - this issue has been missed, and frankly, whilst W7 is a great o/s - and I don't want to bash it, but genuinely believe there's an issue here that requires redress from MS.

We're not talking applications as such here - aren't .scr and associated files more straightforward? If they followed convention and worked perfectly fine before, and now numerous people are having issues now with this taskbar deciding not to come back - then I think we have issues with W7 - more specifically, resiliency issues as I've said before - it shouldn't be as simple as coming back from a screensaver to have no taskbar!

I'll defend MS when required but on this occasion I have to stick my guns. I'm sorry if anyone disagrees.

ps. half of these screensavers may never see development again anyway - so hopefully MS do something, or we're left with a whole bunch that are potentially useless.
 

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Sorry guys, I think the fault is definitely with the screensaver writers. The fact that some screensavers work correctly shows that there is a correct way to do things and some screensaver applications haven't followed the rules (.SCR files are basically .EXE files with a difference extension).

To show what's most likely happening, create a simple 2-button form (C#) and change the code to following.
Code: 
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]using[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000] System;[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]using[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000] System.Collections.Generic;[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]using[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000] System.ComponentModel;[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]using[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000] System.Data;[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]using[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000] System.Drawing;[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]using[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000] System.Text;[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]using[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000] System.Windows.Forms;[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]using[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000] System.Runtime.InteropServices; // added[/COLOR][/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]namespace[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000] HideTaskbar[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]{[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff] public[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]partial[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]class[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af]Form1[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] : [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af]Form[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] {[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]   [[/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af]DllImport[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2]([/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#a31515][SIZE=2][COLOR=#a31515]"user32.dll"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2])][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]   private [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]static [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]extern [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]int[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] FindWindow([/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]string[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] className, [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]string[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] windowText);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]   [[/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af]DllImport[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2]([/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#a31515][SIZE=2][COLOR=#a31515]"user32.dll"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2])][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]   private [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]static [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]extern [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]int[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] ShowWindow([/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]int[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] hwnd, [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]int[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] command);[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]   private [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]const [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]int[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] SW_HIDE = 0;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]   private [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]const [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]int[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] SW_SHOW = 1;[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]   protected [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]static [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]int[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] Handle[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]   {[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]     get[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2]     {[/SIZE]
        [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]return[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] FindWindow([/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#a31515][SIZE=2][COLOR=#a31515]"Shell_TrayWnd"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2], [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#a31515][SIZE=2][COLOR=#a31515]""[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2]);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]     }[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]   }[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]   public[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] Form1()[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]   {[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]     InitializeComponent();[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]   }[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]   private [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]void[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] button1_Click([/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]object[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] sender, [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af]EventArgs[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] e)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]   {[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]     ShowWindow(Handle, SW_HIDE);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]   }[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]   private [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]void[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] button2_Click([/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]object[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] sender, [/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af][SIZE=2][COLOR=#2b91af]EventArgs[/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] e)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]   {[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]     ShowWindow(Handle, SW_SHOW);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]   }[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2] }[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]}[/SIZE]
You now have an application which hides the taskbar when you click button1 and shows it when you click button2.

If you run this and exit while the taskbar is hidden, it stays hidden. Obviously, any screensaver which hides the taskbar and then exits without showing it again is going to exhibit this problem.

Presumably, previous versions of Windows contained extra code which had the effect of unhiding the taskbar when a screensaver exited, but it's not unreasonable that Windows 7 should leave it hidden; this is more efficient for programs that may wish to hide the taskbar for extended periods, since they no longer have to remain resident. The error is in the screensaver which doesn't tidy up after itself on exit.
 

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[/QUOTE]Timelord ...I think I have to disagree with your reasoning. This is a third party application, and it's up to the (code)author to make it compatible with the version of Windows 7 you're using.[/QUOTE]

Might I point out that the screensavers were existing before 7 came out and worked fine with the existing OS's of the time. You would have to be a mind reader to "fix" something for a problem that doesn't yet exist. However, MS clearly has the ability to make 7 compatible with the existing screensavers because all their previous OS's had no problem.
Starnamer and LordBob:
If previous versions of the OS had that one lousy line that unhid the taskbar, why wouldn't they include it in 7 and be done with all this nonsense and complaints. We are paying customers and 7 ain't cheap, how about a little customer service. Some of us have custom screensavers with picture that we took ourselves of family, pets and place we visited and they worked fine previously.
As for the suggestion to go back to XP or Vista if we don't like it, that's just plain stupid. That's like having a problem with the horn on a new car you bought and instead of the dealer fixing it, he says "maybe you should go back to your old '96 Corolla." How about just fixing the apparently minor problem.
 

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For the last time,
This is a fault within the screensaver code.

I will not say anymore, and if you choose to persist, that's your choice. Good luck fixing your problem.

~Lordbob
 

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Lordbob75 said:
For the last time,
This is a fault within the screensaver code.

I will not say anymore, and if you choose to persist, that's your choice. Good luck fixing your problem.

~Lordbob
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Hmm.. well, Starnamers proof of concept seems to show that the screen saver might not explicitly show the taskbar on exit ...

And, I guess, technically, we could say that the screensaver is ultimately at fault - but it's not as clear cut as that since;

These screensavers worked with previous generations of MS O/S agree? So if the developers tested and released the software up to Vista say, and everything worked fine - then you could assume that they were happy with the way it ran. They may have known that ideally they should have forced the taskbar back, but as it was working without that, they didn't etc.

Essentially though, Microsoft shouldn't change the rules or make things stringent all of a sudden! and cause previously working software to cause malfunction!

I mean, that's one way to look at it.

Or on the other hand, maybe MS are just straightening up Windows to run how it always SHOULD have - hence the odd issue in terms of compatibility.

Either way, I guess there is no resolution to the issue and it just be something we have to accept.

Cheers.
 

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Not sure if it helps anyone, probably not, but as someone who never used third-party screensavers I can see how whoever is responsible for backwards compatibility might not see this as an important issue. After all, essential pieces of software, most notably drivers, had to be re-written to work in 7, lots of applications also have new, 7-compatible versions by now. So it's up to the screensaver developers to fix their wares.

If I had this problem, I would simply switch the screensaver.
 

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Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75
For the last time,
This is a fault within the screensaver code.

I will not say anymore, and if you choose to persist, that's your choice. Good luck fixing your problem.

~Lordbob
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Good advise my friend.... Huhmmm not...

To every one else who believes that the task bar issue is generated with a third party screensaver...
Why do i have i the problem twice without any screensaver installed..:mad:
i've done 2 complete clean install's... Wm 7 ultimate retail version..
even before i could add a SS it was gone..
I had to sign out....:mad: and it was back again...:sarc:
i haven't read your forum yet so i didn't had any your solutions...:confused:
Still i think the migthy MS group can't afford them self to have overseen this...
it's nearly the same driver crap we had with vista...

Respect for RICOMAN yeah he's spot on in his last comment..!

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Might I point out that the screensavers were existing before 7 came out and worked fine with the existing OS's of the time. You would have to be a mind reader to "fix" something for a problem that doesn't yet exist. However, MS clearly has the ability to make 7 compatible with the existing screensavers because all their previous OS's had no problem.
Starnamer and LordBob:
If previous versions of the OS had that one lousy line that unhid the taskbar, why wouldn't they include it in 7 and be done with all this nonsense and complaints. We are paying customers and 7 ain't cheap, how about a little customer service. Some of us have custom screensavers with picture that we took ourselves of family, pets and place we visited and they worked fine previously.
As for the suggestion to go back to XP or Vista if we don't like it, that's just plain stupid. That's like having a problem with the horn on a new car you bought and instead of the dealer fixing it, he says "maybe you should go back to your old '96 Corolla." How about just fixing the apparently minor problem
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Quote:

Come microsoft patch it up...
 

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LLsouthside said:
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75
For the last time,
This is a fault within the screensaver code.

I will not say anymore, and if you choose to persist, that's your choice. Good luck fixing your problem.

~Lordbob
q.gif
Quote:


Good advise my friend.... Huhmmm not...

To every one else who believes that the task bar issue is generated with a third party screensaver...
Why do i have i the problem twice without any screensaver installed..:mad:
i've done 2 complete clean install's... Wm 7 ultimate retail version..
even before i could add a SS it was gone..
I had to sign out....:mad: and it was back again...:sarc:
i haven't read your forum yet so i didn't had any your solutions...:confused:
Still i think the migthy MS group can't afford them self to have overseen this...
it's nearly the same driver crap we had with vista...

Respect for RICOMAN yeah he's spot on in his last comment..!

q.gif
Quote:

Might I point out that the screensavers were existing before 7 came out and worked fine with the existing OS's of the time. You would have to be a mind reader to "fix" something for a problem that doesn't yet exist. However, MS clearly has the ability to make 7 compatible with the existing screensavers because all their previous OS's had no problem.
Starnamer and LordBob:
If previous versions of the OS had that one lousy line that unhid the taskbar, why wouldn't they include it in 7 and be done with all this nonsense and complaints. We are paying customers and 7 ain't cheap, how about a little customer service. Some of us have custom screensavers with picture that we took ourselves of family, pets and place we visited and they worked fine previously.
As for the suggestion to go back to XP or Vista if we don't like it, that's just plain stupid. That's like having a problem with the horn on a new car you bought and instead of the dealer fixing it, he says "maybe you should go back to your old '96 Corolla." How about just fixing the apparently minor problem
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Quote:

Come microsoft patch it up...
Click to expand...
This is an issue with the thid-party screensavers and not the OS...simple as that...

Microsoft makes the OS so therefore it is their OS...if they change something than developers have to adjust or move their software to a new platform...

Take this argument up with the screensaver maker...not Microsoft.

How hard is this to understand...

PS Prove that the default screensavers for 7 are causing the problem also
 

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OK I see no point in continuing this argument for the sake of arguing

Before it becomes out of hand and someone gets into trouble I am closing the thread
 

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