Solved Temps problem (Again)

[kbrady1979]

Pastes have a cure time where they spread out and settle as the CPU gets hot and cold. Your friend is right for the most part, it seems to be normal for a week or so. Just keep using your PC as you normally do and see how it's acting then. A water cooler isn't a piece of magical equipment, you'll never cool it down past room temperature, no matter what. A water cooler does seem to keep temps more stable and consistent, and water seems to absorb the shock of higher temps much better than air coolers in my opinion. During stress testing, my water cooler will normalize temps after about 10 minutes and will keep those temps for 12+ hours.

 

[Britton30]

I have never used the pre-applied sticky stuff they come with Andrew. I have always wiped it off with some Artic cleaner, then Artic primer and applied Artic Silver 5. I have a tube I just emptied that was 3 years old and it was fine.

I found out the cold plate on my Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro is rounded and hits the CPU's center more than the outside edges. I think I may try lapping it to flatten it.

 

[andrew129260]

Thanks guys. I will monitor it for a bit and see what happens. Still confused as to why on load when we first put it in it didn't go past 115F but now it easily does. Just like my stock fan. so weird...this is why I went with water cooling in the first place.

I guess I will wait a week and see what happens. If it stays bad I will reapply the thermal paste.

This is random, but The water cooler did suggest to have the fan in the back be a intake to the radiator and not an external. (although it said you can do it this way) I chose to have it be external like it was before, as I have 2 80mm intake in front, an 230mm intake on the side, and two 120mm fans at the top being external. I am wondering if maybe I should make the back an internal. I just feel like that is 3 internals and only 2 externals. I feel like I should have 3 externals. What do you guys think?

Once again, thanks for all the help and effort you guys put forth to answer my questions...

(btw, thanks for the info about the artic silver and the wait time)
Was gonna rep again but can't

 

[Solarstarshines]

supposedly it is normal because the paste needs to cure

My experience with Corsair coolers though didn't end up with good results from me

cure time is 24 to 48hrs and you must turn it on and off for a hour or so then shut down repeat for a while

I did these steps with a H80I and my temps were through the roof I went and got a Antec 920 the Big brother of my Antec 620 and it behaved itself

Something about corsairs square block design I don't like it just seems to not fit properly no matter what you do I used almost a whole tube a of paste trying to get the temps right and one shot with the Antec 920 so that just tells me the cooler is a POS pretty much and people who have had luck are hella lucky IMHO

 

[essenbe]

Andrew, Perhaps I answered part of your question in the wrong place. Look here and see if it helps some. http://www.sevenforums.com/pc-custo...427-show-us-your-rig-5-a-163.html#post2524576

 

[essenbe]

supposedly it is normal because the paste needs to cure

My experience with Corsair coolers though didn't end up with good results from me

cure time is 24 to 48hrs and you must turn it on and off for a hour or so then shut down repeat for a while

I did these steps with a H80I and my temps were through the roof I went and got a Antec 920 the Big brother of my Antec 620 and it behaved itself

Something about corsairs square block design I don't like it just seems to not fit properly no matter what you do I used almost a whole tube a of paste trying to get the temps right and one shot with the Antec 920 so that just tells me the cooler is a POS pretty much and people who have had luck are hella lucky IMHO

Solar, I don't know why, but some people have great results with Corsair coolers. I never have and I've owned 3 of them. My H100 got bad results. Ny NH-D14 got better temps than the H100. Personally, I think there are manufacturing defects in some of their coolers. Some people get great results. I never did. As far as I'm concerned, the NH-D14 is the best air cooler you can buy. But, I won't be buying another Corsair AIO cooler.

 

[kbrady1979]

The Corsair units made by Asetek are generally regarded as the best ones.......but with so many other options out there, it would be hard to talk me into one.

 

[andrew129260]

Wait, so are you guys saying the one I bought (even though it has good reviews) is not a good one? Should I take the one I have back and get another? Like the one that was originally suggested? Antec 620 no maintenance water cooler??

This is random, but The water cooler did suggest to have the fan in the back be a intake to the radiator and not an external. (although it said you can do it this way) I chose to have it be external like it was before, as I have 2 80mm intake in front, an 230mm intake on the side, and two 120mm fans at the top being external. I am wondering if maybe I should make the back an internal. I just feel like that is 4 internals and only 2 externals. I feel like I should have 3 externals. What do you guys think?

Also lady suggested from the show us your rig post that the water cooler could be throttled by the bios.
About the throttling. How would I know? What numbers in the bios should I look for?

 

[linnemeyerhere]

Wait, so are you guys saying the one I bought (even though it has good reviews) is not a good one? Should I take the one I have back and get another? Like the one that was originally suggested? Antec 620 no maintenance water cooler??

This is random, but The water cooler did suggest to have the fan in the back be a intake to the radiator and not an external. (although it said you can do it this way) I chose to have it be external like it was before, as I have 2 80mm intake in front, an 230mm intake on the side, and two 120mm fans at the top being external. I am wondering if maybe I should make the back an internal. I just feel like that is 4 internals and only 2 externals. I feel like I should have 3 externals. What do you guys think?

Also lady suggested from the show us your rig post that the water cooler could be throttled by the bios.
About the throttling. How would I know? What numbers in the bios should I look for?

If you can return an open and installed water cooler that's functioning then that would be a trick ! I would say in hind sight a double thick Corsair rad like the H80i would have been best or one of the many other brands available. If you continue to use the H55 unit then consider a pair of quiet fans that run off the 12v PSU. Also in your bios turn off the Quiet "n" Cool option and the pump and 12v fan headers should give a steady full 12v and that way your pump will run wide open which is good but all case fans plugged into the mobo will also run at 12v.

 

[essenbe]

Another part of your questions I gave my opinion on. http://www.sevenforums.com/pc-custo...427-show-us-your-rig-5-a-163.html#post2523984 It would be easier if it was all in 1 thread, I think.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...This is random, but The water cooler did suggest to have the fan in the back be a intake to the radiator and not an external. (although it said you can do it this way) I chose to have it be external like it was before, as I have 2 80mm intake in front, an 230mm intake on the side, and two 120mm fans at the top being external. I am wondering if maybe I should make the back an internal. I just feel like that is 4 internals and only 2 externals. I feel like I should have 3 externals. What do you guys think?...

The theory behind making the water cooler fan an intake is it will be drawing cooler outside air through the radiator instead of the warmer inside air. You might want to try it just to see if it actually makes a difference.

...Also lady suggested from the show us your rig post that the water cooler could be throttled by the bios.
About the throttling. How would I know? What numbers in the bios should I look for?

It depends on where you plugged the pump cable into. If it's plugged into the CPU fan header or an regular, here should be a setting somewhere in the BIOS to determine what the speed will be. You would have to consult your MOBO manual since BIOSes will vary somewhat from MOBO to MOBO. Try adjust the speed higher to see if it makes a difference. You will just have to experiment

The cooler you chose is one of the smaller ones so there is a possibility it just isn't big enough to do the job.

 

[kbrady1979]

I have mine set up to pull outside, cold air in and push it across the fins, and the hot air directly out the top of the case and that IS the most optimum setup because as long as the fan isn't starved for air, the air outside the case will always be cooler than the air inside the case. I have my pump/fan plugged into the CPU fan header and in my BIOS in the Monitor section, I have the option to change it to Silent, Standard, Turbo, and Manual. A quick look in your motherboard manual will give you the information you need about fan header settings.

Here is a picture of my setup, which is the most efficient orientation with the equipment I have.

 

[Solarstarshines]

supposedly it is normal because the paste needs to cure

My experience with Corsair coolers though didn't end up with good results from me

cure time is 24 to 48hrs and you must turn it on and off for a hour or so then shut down repeat for a while

I did these steps with a H80I and my temps were through the roof I went and got a Antec 920 the Big brother of my Antec 620 and it behaved itself

Something about corsairs square block design I don't like it just seems to not fit properly no matter what you do I used almost a whole tube a of paste trying to get the temps right and one shot with the Antec 920 so that just tells me the cooler is a POS pretty much and people who have had luck are hella lucky IMHO

Solar, I don't know why, but some people have great results with Corsair coolers. I never have and I've owned 3 of them. My H100 got bad results. Ny NH-D14 got better temps than the H100. Personally, I think there are manufacturing defects in some of their coolers. Some people get great results. I never did. As far as I'm concerned, the NH-D14 is the best air cooler you can buy. But, I won't be buying another Corsair AIO cooler.

I concur Corsair coolers won't grace my machines ever again

 

[Solarstarshines]

I have mine set up to pull outside, cold air in and push it across the fins, and the hot air directly out the top of the case and that IS the most optimum setup because as long as the fan isn't starved for air, the air outside the case will always be cooler than the air inside the case. I have my pump/fan plugged into the CPU fan header and in my BIOS in the Monitor section, I have the option to change it to Silent, Standard, Turbo, and Manual. A quick look in your motherboard manual will give you the information you need about fan header settings.

Here is a picture of my setup, which is the most efficient orientation with the equipment I have.

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I have always had mine push /pull pushing air out the back /would there honestly be a difference going the other way ? I am very curious

 

[kbrady1979]

It all depends on how much airflow is available behind your case, and even then, you may not see a degree or two difference. I just know that I can't turn mine any other way and get it any better. The cooler the air is going across the fins, the faster/more efficiently it will cool the water down which in turn will return cooler water to the water block, and I know the air outside is cooler than the air inside. If I ever get replacement fans and set them up in push/pull, I will pull outside air in and push it across the fins.

 

[Solarstarshines]

It all depends on how much airflow is available behind your case, and even then, you may not see a degree or two difference. I just know that I can't turn mine any other way and get it any better. The cooler the air is going across the fins, the faster/more efficiently it will cool the water down which in turn will return cooler water to the water block, and I know the air outside is cooler than the air inside. If I ever get replacement fans and set them up in push/pull, I will pull outside air in and push it across the fins.

Maybe I should try that sounds like it makes sense really

I just wish I could add one more fan going up sucking air out of the case

 

[kbrady1979]

What are your options up top?

 

[Solarstarshines]

I have 200mm spaces but can only use one due to the block also no fan over 90mm will fit because of the loop hoses

 

[andrew129260]

If you can return an open and installed water cooler that's functioning then that would be a trick !

I actually can, already asked Best Buy. They stated I could return it should it not be adequate for my needs. I just need the receipt and box as well as all parts and screws. I have all that.
So if I needed to return it I could, need to return in 1 1/2 weeks though.

You also asked about fans. I believe in positive air flow. More intake fans than outtake fans. All of the pcie cut outs and a lot of the back of the case is made to allow for airflow. Positive air pressure uses those to push air and dust out. Negative air flow uses them to pull air and dust in. Tests have shown that positive air flow reduces dust by 30%. It also pushes hot air out while bringing cooler air in. Even the U S Navy, because of chemical warfare, have all their ships with positive air flow, to push any chemicals out of the ship. Silverstone has a good explanation of it. All of my fans are intakes except the rear fan.
SilverStone Technology Co., Ltd. What is positive air pressure?

Thank you for the information, I did see this and read it. Appreciated it. I think you are right from what I read that it would be better to have the rear 120mm fan being an intake into the radiator for the water cooler.

The theory behind making the water cooler fan an intake is it will be drawing cooler outside air through the radiator instead of the warmer inside air. You might want to try it just to see if it actually makes a difference. It depends on where you plugged the pump cable into. If it's plugged into the CPU fan header or an regular, here should be a setting somewhere in the BIOS to determine what the speed will be. You would have to consult your MOBO manual since BIOSes will vary somewhat from MOBO to MOBO. Try adjust the speed higher to see if it makes a difference. You will just have to experiment

The cooler you chose is one of the smaller ones so there is a possibility it just isn't big enough to do the job.

I am going to try that, thank you for the information!

I have mine set up to pull outside, cold air in and push it across the fins, and the hot air directly out the top of the case and that IS the most optimum setup because as long as the fan isn't starved for air, the air outside the case will always be cooler than the air inside the case. I have my pump/fan plugged into the CPU fan header and in my BIOS in the Monitor section, I have the option to change it to Silent, Standard, Turbo, and Manual. A quick look in your motherboard manual will give you the information you need about fan header settings.

Thank you! So would turbo be the setting it should be at? I have AMD cool and quiet already disabled. (CPU disabled it)
Should I set it to turbo? Would that be better I am guessing? Although will it make my water cooler run higher and die out quicker?

My Follow up so far:

Ok everyone, I have now done cable management (it's much better) and have gotten all the possible cables I could back there. If you see in the pics it went from cluttered to clean (mostly). I also removed extra unnecessary drive bays that were taking up space, preventing my front intake fans from working the best they could.

Before: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=8D063682B3D3CCF2!5188&authkey=!AFvyDq78ofdxW2c&v=3

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=8D063682B3D3CCF2!5189&authkey=!AOO1V3Ch5-yul0k&v=3

(forums upload pics didn't work again, maybe pics are to large? > IDK)
After:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=8D063682B3D3CCF2!5192&authkey=!AFKBII0HuqUQe9E&v=3

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=8D063682B3D3CCF2!5191&authkey=!AOMfKa4qrY36eJM&v=3

I struggled to get my black plate on but I did it. Anyways, now the cables that are there are pushed to the back and not affecting the front intake fans. (I know its kind of hard to tell.)
Pictures don't do it justice. I have a lot of cables running from the bottom through the holes and running up back in the back of the case, then going to their destination.
When I look at the pics it doesn't look like I did much, but sigh*

Anyways, I have not yet set the rear fan to intake yet. It is still exterior.

I decided to do a stress test for an hour using ASUS PC Diagnostics.
My temps are as follows:

Temp in room /outside
Unknown (probably 75 F (23c) / 66 F (18c)
Box fan on in room, set to medium though. But that is like always.

Before starting stress test (idle- 15% cpu usage) :

CPU: 60 F / 15c
Graphics card: 90F / 32c
Motherboard: 100F / 37c
Hard drives: 80 F / 26c

During stress test almost complete (100% cpu uasge) :

CPU: 115 F / 46c
Graphics card: 110F / 43c
Motherboard: 120F / 48c
Hard drives: 98 F / 36c

After stress test complete it is idling at:

CPU: 67 F / 19c
Graphics card: 94 F / 34c
Motherboard: 103F / 39c
Hard drives: 97 F / 36c

Looks like waiting a little did the trick! (As well as the cable management.) Much better temps!
I am thinking this is good, but awaiting opinions. I will probably do another stress test with the rear fan set to intake on the radiator and see what happens...

 

[kbrady1979]

Those temps are great. What are you using to stress test it? I'd turn the fan around so it is sucking outside air in and see if that makes any difference. Also, and this is debatable, but if you are feeling frisky, you may want to turn your radiator around so the hoses are on top of the rad......it's suppose to help get rid of air bubbles throughout the loop.