Vista was based on Windows 7

[matt_0978]

I'm as guilty as they come in saying that Windows 7 as the general feel of Vista, however it is in fact the other way round. Let me explain...

Windows codename Blackcomb was supposed to succeed Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. A major feature planned for Blackcomb was an advanced storage system called WinFS. Blackcomb was put hold whilst an interim build "Longhorn" was announced for 2003. Longhorn acquired some of the features originally intended for Blackcomb. But after three major viruses; SOBIG, BLASTER & SASSER exploited flaws in Windows operating systems during the same period, Microsoft was forced to put both development of Blackcomb on hold to develop new service packs for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. Development of Longhorn (Windows Vista) was also "reset", or delayed in August 2004. By this time development of Vista was already behind and to prevent further delays a number of features were cut from Longhorn.

In 2006 codename Blackcomb was renamed Vienna then again in 2007 it was renamed Windows 7 in 2007. In 2008 Windows 7 was adopted as the official name for the operating system.

In all irony a number of capabilities and certain programs that made up Windows Vista have been changed or removed in Windows Seven taking away some of it's functionality. Such notable features include the classic 'Start Menu' UI, 'Windows Ultimate Extras' (altho a patch exists to enable 'Dreamscenes'), 'Inkball' and 'Windows Calendars'. Another three applications that were bundled in Windows Vista; 'Windows Photogallery', 'Windows Movie Maker' and 'Windows Mail' are not included in Windows Seven, instead these are available for free as part of 'Windows Live Essentials' which also includes amongst other things 'Windows Live Messenger'.

 

[Cam]

This is common logic. Everybody (by now) knows that Vista was just a rushed, early version of W7, released just to make a little cash.

 

[Razzen]

This is common logic. Everybody (by now) knows that Vista was just a rushed, early version of W7, released just to make a little cash.

Yeah... coz' vista can't be anything else than that.

 

[Dzomlija]

I'm as guilty as they come in saying that Windows 7 as the general feel of Vista, however it is in fact the other way round. Let me explain...

Windows codename Blackcomb was supposed to succeed Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. A major feature planned for Blackcomb was an advanced storage system called WinFS. Blackcomb was put hold whilst an interim build "Longhorn" was announced for 2003. Longhorn acquired some of the features originally intended for Blackcomb. But after three major viruses; SOBIG, BLASTER & SASSER exploited flaws in Windows operating systems during the same period, Microsoft was forced to put both development of Blackcomb on hold to develop new service packs for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. Development of Longhorn (Windows Vista) was also "reset", or delayed in August 2004. By this time development of Vista was already behind and to prevent further delays a number of features were cut from Longhorn.

In 2006 codename Blackcomb was renamed Vienna then again in 2007 it was renamed Windows 7 in 2007. In 2008 Windows 7 was adopted as the official name for the operating system.

In all irony a number of capabilities and certain programs that made up Windows Vista have been changed or removed in Windows Seven taking away some of it's functionality. Such notable features include the classic 'Start Menu' UI, 'Windows Ultimate Extras' (altho a patch exists to enable 'Dreamscenes'), 'Inkball' and 'Windows Calendars'. Another three applications that were bundled in Windows Vista; 'Windows Photogallery', 'Windows Movie Maker' and 'Windows Mail' are not included in Windows Seven, instead these are available for free as part of 'Windows Live Essentials' which also includes amongst other things 'Windows Live Messenger'.

How can you claim that Vista is based on Windows 7, when Vista was released close to 3 years earlier than Seven?

Anyway, I find it highly ironic that to this very day people claim that Vista was rushed, when in fact it was released 6 years after XP. Allow ME to explain:

1. Whistler became XP, followed by Longhorn which is Vista, then Blackcomb which is Seven.
2. The development of both Longhorn AND Blackcomb was delayed, allowing developers to be pulled off both projects in order to concentrate on getting XP SP 2 completed (because of the viruses you mention)
3. It was the development of XP SP2 that prompted Microsoft to "reset" the development of Longhorn, which at the time was still based primarily on XP, which would have meant all the security holes would have carried over. Or have you forgotten that XP is still the most virus prone Windows ever?
4. To a certain degree, you can thank anti-trust regulators for the exclusion of programs like Windows Photo Gallery, Windows Movie Maker, Windows Mail and the like. Also, people complaining about bloat are to blame for this. I guess that Microsoft fealt it would minimise bloat by removing them when people would be using Windows Live Essentials anyway. Why would they need both "Windows Photo Gallery" AND "Windows Live Photo Gallery" installed at the same time? Or "Windows Mail" and "Windows Live Mail"? Windows Calendar was never any good anyway.

To highlight and summarise the chronologie of Windows: NT, 2000, XP, Vista, Seven.

Vista and Seven was delayed because of XP...

 

[matt_0978]

How can you claim that Vista is based on Windows 7, when Vista was released close to 3 years earlier than Seven?


Anyway, I find it highly ironic that to this very day people claim that Vista was rushed, when in fact it was released 6 years after XP. Allow ME to explain:

1. Whistler became XP, followed by Longhorn which is Vista, then Blackcomb which is Seven.
2. The development of both Longhorn AND Blackcomb was delayed, allowing developers to be pulled off both projects in order to concentrate on getting XP SP 2 completed (because of the viruses you mention)
3. It was the development of XP SP2 that prompted Microsoft to "reset" the development of Longhorn, which at the time was still based primarily on XP, which would have meant all the security holes would have carried over. Or have you forgotten that XP is still the most virus prone Windows ever?
4. To a certain degree, you can thank anti-trust regulators for the exclusion of programs like Windows Photo Gallery, Windows Movie Maker, Windows Mail and the like. Also, people complaining about bloat are to blame for this. I guess that Microsoft fealt it would minimise bloat by removing them when people would be using Windows Live Essentials anyway. Why would they need both "Windows Photo Gallery" AND "Windows Live Photo Gallery" installed at the same time? Or "Windows Mail" and "Windows Live Mail"? Windows Calendar was never any good anyway.

To highlight and summarise the chronologie of Windows: NT, 2000, XP, Vista, Seven.

Vista and Seven was delayed because of XP...

because development on Blackcomb was started first, the developers were then pulled off Blackcomb to develop Longhorn, then yes both projects were put on hold to rebuild XP.

 

[kmook]

To highlight and summarise the chronologie of Windows: NT, 2000, XP, Vista, Seven.

How could you forget the bestest OS ever... 3.1!?

 

[Zidane24]

How can you claim that Vista is based on Windows 7, when Vista was released close to 3 years earlier than Seven?

Anyway, I find it highly ironic that to this very day people claim that Vista was rushed, when in fact it was released 6 years after XP. Allow ME to explain:

1. Whistler became XP, followed by Longhorn which is Vista, then Blackcomb which is Seven.
2. The development of both Longhorn AND Blackcomb was delayed, allowing developers to be pulled off both projects in order to concentrate on getting XP SP 2 completed (because of the viruses you mention)
3. It was the development of XP SP2 that prompted Microsoft to "reset" the development of Longhorn, which at the time was still based primarily on XP, which would have meant all the security holes would have carried over. Or have you forgotten that XP is still the most virus prone Windows ever?
4. To a certain degree, you can thank anti-trust regulators for the exclusion of programs like Windows Photo Gallery, Windows Movie Maker, Windows Mail and the like. Also, people complaining about bloat are to blame for this. I guess that Microsoft fealt it would minimise bloat by removing them when people would be using Windows Live Essentials anyway. Why would they need both "Windows Photo Gallery" AND "Windows Live Photo Gallery" installed at the same time? Or "Windows Mail" and "Windows Live Mail"? Windows Calendar was never any good anyway.

To highlight and summarise the chronologie of Windows: NT, 2000, XP, Vista, Seven.

Vista and Seven was delayed because of XP...

I agree with both of you fellows....7's core is a highly optimized version of vista's...where as Windows 2000 would have been an optimized version of Windows Me if they didn't have a different type of kernel. This is a really petty issue to argue about...I am quite thankful that the longhorn/blackcomb projects were delayed; it took them a while but finally they came around with something that really puts Vista, XP, and all their others from the past in shame. I hope their level of quality continues onwards to Windows 8. It better because I am hard pressed to use anything but Windows 7 now.

 

[mez4junk]

Same product, polished UI.
It is the best microsoft product so far, but unfortunately too late.

It marks the end of windows dominance as a business OS.

 

[sjaak327]

How could you forget the bestest OS ever... 3.1!?

LOL, different family. (presuming you are referring to Windows 3.1).

Of course in the NT family, indeed there was NT 3.1, NT3.5 and NT4.0

 

[7echno7im]

Same product, polished UI.
It is the best microsoft product so far, but unfortunately too late.

It marks the end of windows dominance as a business OS.

May I ask what you propose the new business OS is? I think that the fact that Windows has almost 90% of the market share is still pretty dominating, and that is worldwide. Even higher in business...

With 7, I assume it will bounce back and Mac may be back under 5%, seeing that they are only at 8 now. "Other" will make up the other 5.

 

[Zidane24]

May I ask what you propose the new business OS is? I think that the fact that Windows has almost 90% of the market share is still pretty dominating, and that is worldwide. Even higher in business...

With 7, I assume it will bounce back and Mac may be back under 5%, seeing that they are only at 8 now.

To add on: Do some googling and you will find the acceptance of Windows 7 in businesses in 2010 and onward staggering...

 

[Orbital Shark]

How could you forget the bestest OS ever... 3.1!?

Oh the memories LOL

I installed it the other day on VirtualBox, what a nostalgia trip that was

 

[Zidane24]

Oh the memories LOL

I installed it the other day on VirtualBox, what a nostalgia trip that was

We had a computer in my 6th grade class and it had 3.1 on it...I remember going over there every day and having to close a couple hundred windows...in-which I would actually use it for something...(paint) only to have it die normally...but other than that is was my first computer to use

BTW I was a student in 6th at their age as everyone else...The teacher had no clue even how to turn the thing on...so I spent most of my time during recess messing with it and became proficient fast...so after that it somewhat became my "pet" in the classroom

 

[Duesco]

Oh the memories LOL

I installed it the other day on VirtualBox, what a nostalgia trip that was

Windows 98 SE was my first Windows...back on my little 533 MHz Celeron with a 10 GB HDD...

 

[gurm42]

How could you forget the bestest OS ever... 3.1!?

There have been many Microsoft OS "Product Families".

DOS went through a ton of revisions from 1.0 all the way up to 6.22.
Windows versions 1 and 2 were just silly shells on top of DOS.

Windows 286 and 386 began a new family. The familiar entries in that family are 3.0, 3.1, and WFW 3.11 (Windows For Workgroups).

Windows 95, 98, 98SE, and Millennium are another family.

Prior to WFW3.11, MS had been working with IBM on the OS/2 project. There are various iterations of OS/2 with Microsoft branding that you might find floating around. But eventually half the technology from OS/2 made its way into Win95, and the other half into Windows NT...

Windows NT went through revisions: 3.1, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0 (which has had 6 Service Packs).

Windows 2000 is in essence NT 5.0, and XP is in essence 5.1. (Much as we love it, it's just an incremental improvement from 2000!)

Vista is NT 6.0, totally new kernel. Windows 7 is... yeah I'd really call it 6.1, but the marketing types make these decisions now, so it's 7!

I could get deeper, into where the kernels came from and what was introduced when, but... there's no point really.

 

[mikinho]

Same product, polished UI.
It is the best microsoft product so far, but unfortunately too late.

It marks the end of windows dominance as a business OS.

In what way?

Edit: Just wanted to add that I"m trying to flame. I am geniunely curious what makes you come to that conclusion.

 

[Zidane24]

There have been many Microsoft OS "Product Families".

DOS went through a ton of revisions from 1.0 all the way up to 6.22.
Windows versions 1 and 2 were just silly shells on top of DOS.

Windows 286 and 386 began a new family. The familiar entries in that family are 3.0, 3.1, and WFW 3.11 (Windows For Workgroups).

Windows 95, 98, 98SE, and Millennium are another family.

Prior to WFW3.11, MS had been working with IBM on the OS/2 project. There are various iterations of OS/2 with Microsoft branding that you might find floating around. But eventually half the technology from OS/2 made its way into Win95, and the other half into Windows NT...

Windows NT went through revisions: 3.1, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0 (which has had 6 Service Packs).

Windows 2000 is in essence NT 5.0, and XP is in essence 5.1. (Much as we love it, it's just an incremental improvement from 2000!)

Vista is NT 6.0, totally new kernel. Windows 7 is... yeah I'd really call it 6.1, but the marketing types make these decisions now, so it's 7!

I could get deeper, into where the kernels came from and what was introduced when, but... there's no point really.

7 is NT6.1...and isn't marketed any other way...The fact it is called 7 is just because they called it that way(based on OS counting...not kernel revisions)

 

[billdo]

To add on: Do some googling and you will find the acceptance of Windows 7 in businesses in 2010 and onward staggering...

It's staggering do to economy, not due to businesses abandoning Windows for other OS.Most software and hardware used by businesses is not yet obsolete and fine for their needs.The extra spending to upgrade from XP to W7 is not cost efficient at this time.Businesses will eventually upgrade due to advances in hardware/software that XP will not be compatible with, that is if they want to improve efficiency and keep a competitive edge.

 

[mikinho]

It's staggering do to economy, not due to businesses abandoning Windows for other OS.Most software and hardware used by businesses is not yet obsolete and fine for their needs.The extra spending to upgrade from XP to W7 is not cost efficient at this time.Businesses will eventually upgrade due to advances in hardware that XP will not be compatible with, that is if they want to improve efficiency and keep a competitive edge.

I think it really depends on the size of the company and what market they are in. For large enterprises security is the driving force. XP was behind Vista and far behind W7. Smaller companies with lower threat and resources will continue to "leave well enough alone" but enterprises will end up spending more by not upgrading.

 

[7echno7im]

It's staggering do to economy, not due to businesses abandoning Windows for other OS.Most software and hardware used by businesses is not yet obsolete and fine for their needs.The extra spending to upgrade from XP to W7 is not cost efficient at this time.Businesses will eventually upgrade due to advances in hardware/software that XP will not be compatible with, that is if they want to improve efficiency and keep a competitive edge.

oh, I assumed he meant "staggering" like "astonishing"...