Windows 7 to be shipped in Europe sans IE

[petrossa]

At least you got a vote

i guess it's better for the Brits, at least you don't have the feeling to be taken for idiots. The idiots decided for you, you still have selfrespect.

We lost all confidence and can't be bothered anymore. We're only hoping the Irish and the Tsjechs will block the adoption of the lisbon treaty.

 

[Zidane24]

i guess it's better for the Brits, at least you don't have the feeling to be taken for idiots. The idiots decided for you, you still have selfrespect.

We lost all confidence and can't be bothered anymore. We're only hoping the Irish and the Tsjechs will block the adoption of the lisbon treaty.

Seems like Parliament in your area is the only thing going on a highway to hell right now...

 

[petrossa]

Seems like Parliament in your area is the only thing going on a highway to hell right now...

dont get me started As you may have gathered by now i delved deep into what makes the EU tick and it's a horror story.

It to far OT but i could put here examples that would make your skin crawl and made you think if we'd only be in Orwell's 1984 we'd be much better off.

 

[petrossa]

Microsoft is in talks with the eu commission - The Inquirer

You may read in the article that Kroes is on her way out, but recent changes in Dutch politics have made a second term more likely.

The current prime minister (Christian Democrat) is scared sh*tless she will return to the home politics as she (Liberal, current opposition party) is a shoe-in at the dutch general elections in 2010

 

[Legacy Code]

I am glad that whole EU thing is working out so well for ya.

Penalising an American company has no adverse effects on me at all , if anything Opera ( A European company ) may gain from it. Cant see it myself as they make junk that has no market share and no appeal.

What the EU are doing is wrong in my opinion, If Fire Fox want to get more market share follow Google's lead and make an OS with the FF brand all over it, Just like Apple do.

Wasn't MS forced to release an OS with no media player at some point in the US ? ( Obviously not by the EU)

 

[beamer]

well, that's what you get for letting a monopolist set the standards. Sites only accessible with their product.

That's what the EU overlooks, MS's ActiveX malware has already taken over a big chunk of the internet.

People who are not computer savvy but install something other then IE will find themselves confronted with ActiveX infected sites working badly or not at all. They'll blame the browser and switch to IE.

Well it is sort of to late now. It should have been done a long time ago IMHO

I can understand how it might seem a bit over the top with this move however if it had been done years ago perhaps I wouldn't be in the position I am in now.

I wanted to buy a mini notebook that ran linux but opps! not an option for me Reason is I have to run IE to login to a site for work.

Yes I checked and there is NO other option. There are well over 10,000+ people in my city who have to use the same site for work with no option other then to run IE. When complaining all I get is almost a surprised response as in what is the problem everyone has IE?

When do they plan to change the site so you can use it with other browsers? No plan right now maybe 2-3 yrs.

If someone had stopped microsucks from shipping windows with IE we would have a mix of browsers used and no one would be creating sites that only worked with IE as they would have to design them to work with multiple browsers instead.

I like windows 7 and run it on two computers but it would be nice to have the option to run something else. I don't really have that option because no one stopped Microsoft from shipping windows with IE.

Why am I reading a windows 7 forum? Well it currently seems to be the best version of windows and for work I have to run windows with IE.

Sorry end of rant :sarc:

 

[Night Hawk]

Sorry to burst someone's bubble but active x is not MS neither is Java runtime or flassh player! Active-X.COM - Your ActiveX Component Library since 1996

Java was produced by SUN Microsystems an independent computer manufacturer like Apple with it's own OS called Solaris. java.com: Java + You

Of course most right off are familiar with Adobe by name alone for their reader, flash player, shockwave player, Photoshop, etc. there. Adobe - Downloads

MS has full intent of buying out Google if you notice the new Bing search engine seen lately. Google by another name? could be!

The one thing most don't realize is Microsoft is taking the rap for everything while MS actually subcontracts work out to smaller companies! MS has grown so big due to wrapping itself around all those by taking them under it's own wing.

It's a conglomeration of several actually explaining all the new arrivals like move maker and other new extra goodies being introduced.

 

[petrossa]

Sorry to burst someone's bubble but active x is not MS neither is Java runtime or flassh player! Active-X.COM - Your ActiveX Component Library since 1996


The one thing most don't realize is Microsoft is taking the rap for everything while MS actually subcontracts work out to smaller companies! MS has grown so big due to wrapping itself around all those by taking them under it's own wing.

It's a conglomeration of several actually explaining all the new arrivals like move maker and other new extra goodies being introduced.

If i build a car, and subcontract the window wipers and they make the windows dirty instead of clean i'm sure i can't redirect my clients to the subcontractor to complain.

It is a well accepted fact that practically all of MS's 'innovations' have been bought elsewhere. AxtiveX is no exception.

But as the saying goes: it's not the size that matters but what you do with it.

So if you utilize a substandard component to try to prevent Java from becoming a standard it's your responsibility.

 

[Night Hawk]

Well another thing you can look at as well is the introduction of the Google Chrome OS being another open source type OS with intent on cutting in on the 96% netbook with Windows scene there.

As far as substandard I never count on the MS malware tools having tested several other 3rd party programs to pick out the few effective ones. Yet you see Windows Defender included in 7 as well as it's predecessor Vista.

The one new thing now being seen with 7 however is the option to remove IE entirely which is one thing that the EU never bothered to even look at. They fail to see that with the initial opening up of the internet to begin with MS was about the first if not first at providing a working browser to get online with first available as an optional component.

 

[petrossa]

They fail to see that with the initial opening up of the internet to begin with MS was about the first if not first at providing a working browser to get online with first available as an optional component.

sorry, i don't get the drift of this sentence?

 

[Night Hawk]

In all that time MS has offered a browser along with their own OS which is what the EU is squaking over to begin with and not looking at the simple fact that MS is providing the courtesy of including a browser with their own product even if you would rather use something else. But what the EU also forget is just how many new softwares companies have been started up simply because most often which OS do you find running on any desktop?

MS grew big from the start by first offering a GUI(Graphical User Interface) to an otherwise dos screen using the keyboard commands to start and run programming as well as prewritten programs. Success #1! Early start once the internet was opened up at the end of the Cold War? Success #2! Worldwide used OS? Success story #3!

"someone" didn't like that! With the huge successes one corporation had the EU couldn't accept that the same would "include" various things like a browser and media player in the MS operating system instead of allowing some other company to be the dominant factor there by being the one and only browser company where MS would have to go through them.

Instead MS simply kept growing and growing and offering even more options as well as included features. At least MS has taken it upon themselves to make IE an option you can remove if you choose to do so in favor of another browser as well as coming up with a separate form of Windows to appease the EU to obviously no avail by the looks of things.

 

[petrossa]

Instead MS simply kept growing and growing and offering even more options as well as included features. At least MS has taken it upon themselves to make IE an option you can remove if you choose to do so in favor of another browser as well as coming up with a separate form of Windows to appease the EU to obviously no avail by the looks of things.

The above doesn't bother the EU committee, MS can grow to the sky if they want to. Just if they want to sell their goods in the EU they must follow the rules of trade in the EU common market.

The EU rulings (except the last which hasn't been litigated yet) which MS found illegal have been found legal by the EU courts.
So they have to abide by them or not sell their goods or get sanctioned.

Life's a bitch and then you die.

 

[SIW2]

Here she is :

Intel fined €1.1bn.

The EU executive said Intel paid computer makers to postpone or cancel plans to launch products that used AMD chips, paid illegal, secret rebates so computer makers would use mostly or entirely Intel chips, and paid a major retailer to stock only computers with its chips.


... eclipses the previous record €497m fine brought against Microsoft in 2004 for freezing out competitors.. Microsoft was also subsequently subjected to a further €899m fine for failing to comply with the original cease and desist order.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ommission-for-anti-competitive-behaviour.html

 

[Night Hawk]

Here she is :

Intel fined €1.1bn.



Intel fined €1.1bn by the European Commission for anti-competitive behaviour - Telegraph

Don't forget the best part of that one!

"The EU executive said Intel paid computer makers to postpone or cancel plans to launch products that used AMD chips, paid illegal, secret rebates so computer makers would use mostly or entirely Intel chips, and paid a major retailer to stock only computers with its chips.

Paul Otellini, the chief executive of Intel, said his company took "strong exception" to the decision and would appeal.
He said in a statement: "We believe the decision is wrong and ignores the reality of a highly competitive microprocessor marketplace – characterised by constant innovation, improved product performance and lower prices. There has been absolutely zero harm to consumers."

"The original 48-page ,colourfully worded lawsuit filed by AMD in 2005, alleged that Intel had "resorted to old-fashioned threats, intimidation and kneecapping" to build its near monopoly in the market for x86 microprocessors, the chips that run personal computers.

AMD has already successfully convinced competition authorities in Japan and South Korea to rule against Intel. Intel is appealing against the Japanese ruling."
That suggests MS isn't the real bad boy abusing it's position simply by having included a browser and media player in it's own OS while you see a cpu manufacturer attempting to black ball another company out of a market entirely. hhmmm...

 

[petrossa]

MS/Intel where as close to a cartel as you can get. The EU should investigate where Intel used it's leverage to push MS and vice-versa.

Would make an interesting case......

 

[Zidane24]

I think this thread should be remained Night Hawk vs. petrossa - Europe without IE in Windows DEBATE but nonetheless I have been enjoying reading the statements and the rebuttals and the counter rebuttals and so on...its been an interesting read.

 

[petrossa]

I think this thread should be remained Night Hawk vs. petrossa - Europe without IE in Windows DEBATE but nonetheless I have been enjoying reading the statements and the rebuttals and the counter rebuttals and so on...its been an interesting read.

:roflmao: Yeah, that's a good idea. What do you say Nighthawk? Shall we start a new thread?

 

[Night Hawk]

As you well know this has been going on for the last decade or so! I think we might end with a good 100 new threads or more simply trying to keep up iwth it all! :roflmao:

The part that many have to look at is how all this will have an impact on the average user who is soon to see a new version of Windows without any browser simply the OS. The oem manifacturers would then simply provide a separate disk with various browsers along with prebuilt machines.

But what happens to the custom builder who goes out and buys a new disk only "without any browser" to install 7 on a new drive?

You can actually look at any large grouping of smaller companies under wing with a large corporation and point fingers at monopolizing in some way. At the same time paying a few fines is simply looked at as the "cost of doing business as usual" for them while it's the little guy(typical pc user, novice to mid skilled) that ends up being stepped on a bit.

"Meanwhile it's friday night, early saturday in some places and time to face the.... daa da dat dadaaaaa....(trumpets sound) "Night Hawk vs. petrossa face off". But first a word from our sponsor!" :roflmao:

 

[Zidane24]

As you well know this has been going on for the last decade or so! I think we might end with a good 100 new threads or more simply trying to keep up iwth it all! :roflmao:

The part that many have to look at is how all this will have an impact on the average user who is soon to see a new version of Windows without any browser simply the OS. The oem manifacturers would then simply provide a separate disk with various browsers along with prebuilt machines.

But what happens to the custom builder who goes out and buys a new disk only "without any browser" to install 7 on a new drive?

You can actually look at any large grouping of smaller companies under wing with a large corporation and point fingers at monopolizing in some way. At the same time paying a few fines is simply looked at as the "cost of doing business as usual" for them while it's the little guy(typical pc user, novice to mid skilled) that ends up being stepped on a bit.

"Meanwhile it's friday night, early saturday in some places and time to face the.... daa da dat dadaaaaa....(trumpets sound) "Night Hawk vs. petrossa face off". But first a word from our sponsor!" :roflmao:

With that post...you have already started another battle:roflmao:

 

[Night Hawk]

With that post...you have already started another battle:roflmao:

Well if you want to start a new thread you first have to come out with a title for it! That looked like a good one for the chillout room! :roflmao: