Limewire Shut Down

[Solarstarshines]

What i don't get if alot of you are against pirate sites how come you all know so many of them i never heard of piratebay.com till now lol

 

[jimbo45]

hahaha he said drive by viruses i didnt know viruses did gang warfare but that was a good line though

Actually the "Drive by" infections are the biggest source of viruses and the hardest to defend against since the target site looks often just like the "real one" you are trying to visit.

It's not so much downloading P2P material but browsers executing malicious code buried on "rogue" sites that causes probably 85% of current infections with the other 15% being caused by "traditional means" such as infected files etc.

I'll bet there are ZILLIONS of torrent users --not getting into the wrongs or rights of these BTW who have downloaded loads and loads of files and have never been infected with a virus.

The real issue in all this is to understand who the ACTUAL ENEMY is.

Do people really imagine that a load of kids who want to share some of their music tracks have either the time or the skill to infect these before uploading to various file share sites.

In any case if file sharing is technically illegal how do YOU TUBE or FACEBOOK continue to operate -- uploading Videos on to YOU TUBE is also technically file sharing.

Anyway I think on this topic 'nuf said as whatever the idiotic US court system decides there isn't ANY technical way of carrying out an order without shutting down the entire internet.

I'm NOT advocating piracy -- but I don't see anything wrong with sharing some of my music, books or DVD's with colleagues whether or not I'm sharing the physical medium or a digital copy.

I've done it loads of times and will continue to do it. I loaned a copy of the first 10 inch 78 RPM vinyl record I ever bought -- was Doris Day singing "Que Sera" had to other people years and years ago and borrowed stuff from them in return. (Anybody on these forums still remember 78 RPM s and Extended play 45 RPM vinyl records -- the 33 1/3 albums are still relatively common even these days but singles use to come on 78 RPM 10 inch vinyl and then the smaller juke box versions on 45 RPM singles).

I'll continue to do it too -- the only difference today is that it's much easier as the stuff can be copied to a digital file and transmitted via Internet or email rather than have to give the physical medium away.

I don't condone pirating illegal software however -- a totally different issue.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Solarstarshines]

I just dont think people could really see the view of what pirating really is it is making money off of illegal products obtained without owners knowledge

not lending with free will

if you got a new music album due out next week and it has the full download available now then yes that is one way of pirating cause someone paid to leak the content so they can boost the user on the site and make money off of that etc

some sites purposly have infected java script that will immediatly send you to another page or to a would be solution for you getting the pop up in the first place


people who place viruses have agendas unfortunatly alot of us get caught in the web of someone else's mess and ussually the only thing you can do is fix it and move on hopefully

 

[MattRainier]

Oh, no!

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Yeah, it's just that the torrent was always faster for me. A LOT faster.

 

[Bootz]

What i don't get if alot of you are against pirate sites how come you all know so many of them i never heard of piratebay.com till now lol

I know right, i have never heard of piratebay.com either. I think everyone knows limewire though.

Even people that hardly know anyting about computers know you used to be able to get music off limewire, and viruses!

I wonder how many other sites are out there that dont get as much attention but doing the same illegal thing.

 

[OneSerious]

Please kindly post your address for all those on the Internet to see.
I'll stop by, "borrow your car" with no intention of paying for it ...and continue to use it as I see fit for as long as I want.

When and If I ever get pulled over, I will politely tell the police I was "Lent" the car.
The owner didn't take any money from me...and even though it is rightfully his, it was lent to me.

I'll post on a live blog from prison how well your theory worked out for me...

Sigh...

So okay, the only reason I'm playing devils advocate here is because some people seem to have this big issue with torrenting and want to see the sites shut down. Virtually all same people are happy lend their media be it CD's or DVD's to friends but yet so no problem with it, despite the fact it breaks the exact same law that they seem to feel so strongly about.

So lets say Bob buys himself a nice new CD dividing his hard earned £10 into revenue for the artist, the record label and the store. He rips that bad boy on to his computer and makes a torrent for all to download. Lending it to his internet friends if you will. Oh dear, what a terrible person Bob is, all those people downloading those music tracks aren't allowing the artist, the record label and the store to make the money they so deserve. Shame on Bob!

So lets say Bob buys himself a nice new CD dividing his hard earned £10 into revenue for the artist, the record label and the store. He lends that bad boy to each of his friends. Oh wow, what a nice person Bob is... Oh wait? All those friends borrowing those music tracks aren't allowing the artist, the record label and the store to make the money they so deserve. Shame on Bob!

I mean, it's same thing. Granted to torrent is on a larger scale but, at the end of the day the same people aren't making the money. I just have a real gripe with the double standards surrounding the whole thing.

So whilst you can ask, who am I to decide if it's stealing or not? Who are these other people who can decide what's stealing or not? because, morally, they feel fine about it.

 

[jimbo45]

Oh, no!

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Yeah, it's just that the torrent was always faster for me. A LOT faster.

In theory it SHOULD be since you are getting bits of the file from the entire planet not just one site so you aren't constrained by the bandwidth of the single site.

The idea of torrents is actually very good -- these could and should be used much more often provided security aspects can be managed.

Remember the total CHAOS and server overload when the first OFFICIAL copies of W7 were released.

Had MS enabled Torrents to do the download this would probably have prevented two or three days of total Microsoft embarassement at their lack of foresight in upgrading their servers for what they knew would be a MASSIVE world wide demand.

Security is of course the issue but the technology remains perfectly valid and is an excellent way of managing large down (or up) loads of popular material.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[LiquidSnak]

I thoroughly approve of torrent when used properly, but limewire was NOT a torrent site, but a P2P client made specifically for breaking the law, and became a cesspool of filth and malware within a few months. In it's later years, you could not search something without a bot responding with your exact search terms being the first 'result' whenever searched. In fact, I am hosting Ubuntu 10.10 through torrent right now, as well as some other open source items and freeware that is common.

 

[lorddenis]

this music companies and movies companies shuld target those who download and sell their music .


and all i hear is music,movies sofware piracy... no one is mentioning tv shows why is that ?

 

[Bootz]

Oh, no!

Download | Ubuntu

Yeah, it's just that the torrent was always faster for me. A LOT faster.

In theory it SHOULD be since you are getting bits of the file from the entire planet not just one site so you aren't constrained by the bandwidth of the single site.

The idea of torrents is actually very good -- these could and should be used much more often provided security aspects can be managed.

Remember the total CHAOS and server overload when the first OFFICIAL copies of W7 were released.

Had MS enabled Torrents to do the download this would probably have prevented two or three days of total Microsoft embarassement at their lack of foresight in upgrading their servers for what they knew would be a MASSIVE world wide demand.

Security is of course the issue but the technology remains perfectly valid and is an excellent way of managing large down (or up) loads of popular material.

Cheers
jimbo

Some Online games are starting to do there updates via p2p. I just started playing FFXIV and its updated by this method, seems to work very well.

 

[Corrine]

So lets say Bob buys himself a nice new CD dividing his hard earned £10 into revenue for the artist, the record label and the store. He rips that bad boy on to his computer and makes a torrent for all to download. Lending it to his internet friends if you will. Oh dear, what a terrible person Bob is, all those people downloading those music tracks aren't allowing the artist, the record label and the store to make the money they so deserve. Shame on Bob!

Whether it is music or software, piracy or "sharing" results in higher prices to each of us.

Let's take a look at the definition of torrent:

BitTorrent is a file distribution system used for transferring files across a network of people. As you download a file, BitTorrent places what you download on upload for other users; when multiple people are downloading the same file at the same time they upload pieces of the file to each other. BitTorrent pieces together the file you are downloading, to where the first part of a file you get may be the last part someone else gets. As you continue to retrieve the file, BitTorrent also uploads data to other users. For example, a person with 98 percent of the file done is directed to the people with the 2 percent of the file they still need. {Bold added}

Now take a look at what can happen to the pieces of the file that others are uploading in the attached image I annotated from Webopedia.

 

[lorddenis]

So lets say Bob buys himself a nice new CD dividing his hard earned £10 into revenue for the artist, the record label and the store. He rips that bad boy on to his computer and makes a torrent for all to download. Lending it to his internet friends if you will. Oh dear, what a terrible person Bob is, all those people downloading those music tracks aren't allowing the artist, the record label and the store to make the money they so deserve. Shame on Bob!

Whether it is music or software, piracy or "sharing" results in higher prices to each of us.

Let's take a look at the definition of torrent:

BitTorrent is a file distribution system used for transferring files across a network of people. As you download a file, BitTorrent places what you download on upload for other users; when multiple people are downloading the same file at the same time they upload pieces of the file to each other. BitTorrent pieces together the file you are downloading, to where the first part of a file you get may be the last part someone else gets. As you continue to retrieve the file, BitTorrent also uploads data to other users. For example, a person with 98 percent of the file done is directed to the people with the 2 percent of the file they still need. {Bold added}

Now take a look at what can happen to the pieces of the file that others are uploading in the attached image I annotated from Webopedia.

you realy think that cd,dvd,games would be cheaper if there wouldnt be piratecy ?

 

[linnemeyerhere]

The good news is this had a profound effect in many artist finding vinyl again ! Analog rocks and solves this problem in some respects and re-introduces great non compressed music to a new generation which seem to be embracing it again !......It's all good.....but Limewire Bad. Good Riddance !

 

[LiquidSnak]

I <3 my huge vinyl collection.

 

[linnemeyerhere]

Sweet !

 

[OneSerious]

So lets say Bob buys himself a nice new CD dividing his hard earned £10 into revenue for the artist, the record label and the store. He rips that bad boy on to his computer and makes a torrent for all to download. Lending it to his internet friends if you will. Oh dear, what a terrible person Bob is, all those people downloading those music tracks aren't allowing the artist, the record label and the store to make the money they so deserve. Shame on Bob!

Whether it is music or software, piracy or "sharing" results in higher prices to each of us.

Let's take a look at the definition of torrent:

BitTorrent is a file distribution system used for transferring files across a network of people. As you download a file, BitTorrent places what you download on upload for other users; when multiple people are downloading the same file at the same time they upload pieces of the file to each other. BitTorrent pieces together the file you are downloading, to where the first part of a file you get may be the last part someone else gets. As you continue to retrieve the file, BitTorrent also uploads data to other users. For example, a person with 98 percent of the file done is directed to the people with the 2 percent of the file they still need. {Bold added}

Now take a look at what can happen to the pieces of the file that others are uploading in the attached image I annotated from Webopedia.

That's grand and all. I am aware of the all the nasties that can occur, which if you are wise can be avoided. However, my point was to draw parallels to file sharing and lending and the double standards of people who condemn one but actively partake in the other. All the while telling me that the file sharing is wrong and that folks can't pick the parts of the rule that suites them whilst they do the very same.

And lets be honest about the pricing. It wouldn't change if all the piracy on earth cleaned up.

 

[Corrine]

However, my point was to draw parallels to file sharing and lending and the double standards of people who condemn one but actively partake in the other. All the while telling me that the file sharing is wrong and that folks can't pick the parts of the rule that suites them whilst they do the very same.

Point taken. It is rather like the parental caution, "Do as I say, not as I do."

And lets be honest about the pricing. It wouldn't change if all the piracy on earth cleaned up.

In this context, piracy is merely another word for stealing. Although thievery is as old as recorded events, it is, nonetheless, a crime and does indeed impact the cost of doing business and is passed on to the customer.

 

[SledgeDG]

I do not know how this particular problem can be solved without such draconian measures as to seriously damage the usability of the internet, due to the need to check every packet transmitted for content

Not gonna happen. besides the lag that would caused to the whole Inet and the machine power you'd need.
On what base do you think one could decide which packet is legally transmitted and which one is not.

Hell...how would you even decide what that stream of 0's and 1's belongs to in the first place (I mean that in terms of what program/movie/song/game is illegally transmitted here)
I simply believe that is nothing, you could supervise/solve on a packet level.
At max you could document and once you have the whole transmission, decide if it's to be flagged as illegal or discarded

If you start monitoring a certain port range, tomorrow all p2p clients switch their settings.

Nah...if there was a practical way the content industry would have found it by now

-DG

 

[Barman58]

One point I would like to make on the difference between file sharing and file loaning

When somebody shares or sells on a physical item to someone else the physical medium is no longer available to the original owner, this applies to CD, DVD, vinyl Cassette Tape, books anything - there is only one copy.This has always occurred and is acceptable to the content producers, and the general public
You do not see Ford or GM complaining that the second hand car market is depriving them of business (well not much anyway )

This is not the case with p2p sharing where the original is duplicated and the copies shared

 

[Solarstarshines]

One point I would like to make on the difference between file sharing and file loaning

When somebody shares or sells on a physical item to someone else the physical medium is no longer available to the original owner, this applies to CD, DVD, vinyl Cassette Tape, books anything - there is only one copy.This has always occurred and is acceptable to the content producers, and the general public
You do not see Ford or GM complaining that the second hand car market is depriving them of business (well not much anyway )
This is not the case with p2p sharing where the original is duplicated and the copies shared[/QUOTE

That is one hell of a point people have been cutting corners for years almost like the fast food wars think you closed one down another grease killer open I guess to point out people do what they have to survive even if it does land them in jail thats why alot of these cold criminals could care less about what me or anyone else is saying thats thiere bread and butter and either way there going to get it done somehow limewire isnt the first or the last to be shut down

this is one of the main reasons napster went legit i would say a decade ago napster was facing the same savage demise till they changed thiere ways now everyone is completly happy buying music from them especially ipod users