Ivy Bridge 3570k Vs Sandy Bridge 2500k

[sanjoseparaiso]

1st question:

Well ive heard that Ivy bridge boost 20% performance and huge in GPU.

I dont need Built in GPU.

Ivy has integrated USB3.0, PCI 3.0 and thunderbird.

Is it really worth to wait for the new Ivy Bridge i5 3570k? versus i5 2500k?


I have a lesson for the previous CPU. Bought 3 computer Socket 1156 after 2 months of release!

The result? i always got a BSOD.



The Sandy bridge 1st release has a problem also with the chipset.

If i remember they fix after 2 weeks with the new B3 design.



Now guys because im really excited on Ivy bridge.

The release date is April 08, 2012

What can you say? is it really safe buying for only a 1 month old after the release?

Lets say i wait to buy on May 01, 2012?.



2nd question:

Amd is creating a PCI 3.0 Hd 7 Series.

What do you think guy is their a PCI 3.0 videocard not expensive? max of 100$?


I need you opinion and knowledge.

Thanks!

 

[Wishmaster]

Depends on how you look at it.
If your not interested in the On-Die GPU, IB seems to really only offer PCI-e 3.0 and a slight clock for clock bump over SB.

In regards to PCI 3.0, you must consider no current GPU can saturate a x16 slot, and most cant even stuarate a 2.0 slot at x8. Some of the Single card dual GPUs can exceed x8, but still cant use the full x16.

So, even the first few generations of 3.0 cards will not be bottlenecked by a 2.0 slot at all. By the time they do, you'll likely be be in need of a complete upgrade anyway.


Bottom line, I wouldn't put to much worry into 3.0 at this point. It will be nice to have .. sure. But in reality, it may not actually be usefull for a long time yet.


However, April is not that far away.
If you are building new, and do not need it right now .. I'd just wait. Why not?
Newer tech is a good idea, especially when so close, as long as you arent having major issues currently.



However, if your current machine is struggling to play your games and you are in bad need to upgrade soon ... a SB build would not be a bad investment, and will server you well for a good while.

Also, if you do decide to go ahead and go with a SB P67/z68 build now ... just avoid the boards that use a NF200 Chip. The reason is, a bios upgrade will allow them to use IB CPUs later.
IB CPU means PCI 3.0 support.

So long as your PCIX lanes are not being split and run through a NF200, PCI 3.0 support on the z68/P67 should work. At least for a Single GPU, and possibly dual GPUS if those lanes are run directly to the CPU.
That was my big reason for going with the board I got when I was building.



Either way you decide to go will be a good choice. SB isn't going to struggle anytime soon.

 

[sanjoseparaiso]

Thanks for the quick reply.

Do Sandy bridge i5 2500k support USB 3.0 port?

 

[Wishmaster]

--EDIT-- Misread.

Alot of the USB 3.0 support will depend on the motherboard itself.
As far as Im aware, SB CPUs do not support USB 3 natively, but is implemented on the Motherboards side.


IB supposedly will have native USB 3.0 support.


To be clear, I am refering to the Chipsets.

So, a P67 with Bios update and IB CPU, will not have USB3.0 support natively. It will still be implented on the motherbaord though.
A IB CPU on the new Motherbaords with the new chipset, should have.

 

[badger906]

Firstly I've bridge will be very expensive to adopt into, and over kill at best. We don't need faster CPU's or ones with more cores as thing don't make use of them. Unless your into high end real time HD video editing, or spend your entire day encoding or converting media formatts you'll be wasting money.

To your 1156 point, if you had so many BSOD then I'd doubt it was cpu related, could be something simple like gpu drivers or more complex like ram failings. I don't then I've ever had to replace a cpu for people because of BSOD.

Again buying into the ATI 7 series will be expensive and pointless if you don't plan on getting a high end card, as lower end models will just be rebrands of current models with a higher price tag.

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[sanjoseparaiso]

Sory but im not good in english.

Can you give me simple answer.

Example:

Asus P8Z68-V LE
ASUSTeK Computer Inc. - Motherboards- ASUS P8Z68-V LE

This mobo support USB 3.0 with the processor of sandy bridge.

So what happen with the USB 3.0?


I know ivy bridge fully support USB 3.0.


I cant really understand on Sandy bridge with a motherboard that has USB 3.0?

 

[sanjoseparaiso]

@ badger906,

you are correct about the socket 1156.

TO tell you the truth socket 1156 CPU i3 + mobo + VC has a problem on windos xp.



But i dont want to talk about it because its past already

I need now Ivy bridge 3570k and sandy bridge i5 2500k opinion

 

[badger906]

Yes the p8z68 LE motherboard has 2 USB 3.0 on the rear and 1 front panel header for further expansion.

I have that motherboard in one of my computers.

Most modern boards support USB 3.0 but are not intel powered, its a 3rd party controller, intel are to busy working on thunderbolt instead.

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[Wishmaster]

ASUS is using the ASMedia USB 3.0 controller to allow the use of USB 3.0 it looks like.

Other motherboards may use Marvell or other controllers.


These are add chips/controllers that manufactures add to the board to allow USB 3.0.
It is not part of the Intel Chipset.

Another example of these add ons would be:
The Intel chipset will support (2)SATA 3 ports, and (4) SATA 2 ports.

So if you see a Motherboard advertising (4) SATA 3 ports and (4) SATA 2 ports, 2 of those SATA 3s are from a secondary controller or add on chip.
Such as a Marvell chip.

 

[sanjoseparaiso]

Your saying that its not from chipset but from the motherboard add ons only?

So these board fully support P8Z68-V LE USB 3.0 port without problems on sandy bridge i5 2500k?

 

[badger906]

It does yes, I have a core i5 2500k in my asus P8z68 board

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[sanjoseparaiso]

Thanks for the info.

Im still not yet decided between i5 3570k or 2500k

Could anyone here can help me deciding?

Because im spending around $900.

My point is that i buy a dekstop computer without regrets.

 

[Wishmaster]

I honestly do not think youd you'd regret either.
Its really going to come down to how much you need to upgrade now, and if you are patient enough to wait.

 

[sanjoseparaiso]

How about thunderbolt?

Ive read also that thunderbolt will not be in chipset for ivy.

It says ivy bridge support it? how? buying a hardware thunderbolt?


Haswell will have thunderbolt chipset.

This technology still very far away to become trends on market right?

 

[badger906]

Well yes and no, apple macbooks (mid 2011 onwards) already have thunderbolt, but no peripherals support it yet.

Why are you so worried about usb 3.0 and or fast external connection devices?

I've had usb 3.0 since around launch and I don't own a single usb 3.0 device, because the added cost far outways the performance gain.

If you want fast data transfer e-sata is more than fast enough, and if you want even faster you could get a SATA 6Gbps front panel card and run it direct for a SATA lll header on your motherboard. But you'd need an SSD to benefit from that, and would work out very expensive for a solid state removable drive.

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[Wishmaster]

Well yes and no, apple macbooks (mid 2011 onwards) already have thunderbolt, but no peripherals support it yet.

Why are you so worried about usb 3.0 and or fast external connection devices?

I've had usb 3.0 since around launch and I don't own a single usb 3.0 device, because the added cost far outways the performance gain.

If you want fast data transfer e-sata is more than fast enough, and if you want even faster you could get a SATA 6Gbps front panel card and run it direct for a SATA lll header on your motherboard. But you'd need an SSD to benefit from that, and would work out very expensive for a solid state removable drive.

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This is exactlly what I did.
I do not have any USB3 devices either. So On my board, the add On Marvell USB 3 controller is disabled in the bios. (No point running it if not using it)

For back up, I have a WD HD mounted internally, connected via eSATA. It could be mounted externally, but I just went this route as I had plenty of room.

From what I can tell, eSATA is still faster overall than USB3 if you have that option.

 

[essenbe]

Well yes and no, apple macbooks (mid 2011 onwards) already have thunderbolt, but no peripherals support it yet.

Why are you so worried about usb 3.0 and or fast external connection devices?

I've had usb 3.0 since around launch and I don't own a single usb 3.0 device, because the added cost far outways the performance gain.

If you want fast data transfer e-sata is more than fast enough, and if you want even faster you could get a SATA 6Gbps front panel card and run it direct for a SATA lll header on your motherboard. But you'd need an SSD to benefit from that, and would work out very expensive for a solid state removable drive.

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This is exactlly what I did.
I do not have any USB3 devices either. So On my board, the add On Marvell USB 3 controller is disabled in the bios. (No point running it if not using it)

For back up, I have a WD HD mounted internally, connected via eSATA. It could be mounted externally, but I just went this route as I had plenty of room.

From what I can tell, eSATA is still faster overall than USB3 if you have that option.

I have both USB 3.0 and eSATA and use both. You are correct, eSATA is faster than USB 3.0, but with either one you are still limited by the speed of the hard drive you are using. USB typically is around 2-2.5 times faster than USB 2.0 in real world terms, which isn't bad, but no where near the specs they quote. But there is no mechanical hard drive capable of those specs. The biggest advantage of USB 3.0 is if you are transfering data between computers that do not have eSATA. It is backward compatable and can be used on USB 2.0 as well.

 

[sanjoseparaiso]

So not much to worry on USB 3.0 in the actual world for the year 2012 and 2013?

I dont now esata but i think its a hard drive right?

 

[badger906]

No USB 3.0 is fully established and available on almost all new computers.
But I don't see why your worrying? You obviously don't have any USB 3.0 devices, and currently survive without it, so why worry?
Get a board that has USB 3.0, but don't make it your soul job to get everything USB 3.0, the only advantage it has is faster transfer speeds. All plug in peripherals will work, and don't need the added speed, nor can I see them needing it in the future.

E-sata is a form of plug in and play media like USB, but only aimed at external mass storage. Most boards support this also, however again you will need to buy peripherals to use this feature.

I'm not prepared to spend double the amount of money on say a USB 3.0 pen drive, over that of a USB 2, as waiting a few moments longer isn't going to kill me.. So I'd save the money.

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[sanjoseparaiso]

Ok. The purpose of asking about USB 3.0 because find hard to decide on CM 690 ii plus usb 3.0 black versus Cm690 ii plus white usb 2.0

I like the new CM 690 usb 3.0 feature but googling the actual image of the BLACK on the users using it...it seems black is kind a blurred.

Cooler Master 690 II Advanced

Cm website the black color is good.




The white version is only usb 2.0 and has a esata and find this site which is a actual user image beautiful white paint.

It this white really the actual picture? or he did a repaint on his casing?

CM 690 II White Dream



The CM website the White is kind a blurred.


If i buy white then i only need the USB 3.0 Back panel mobo.

If i buy the black then i need a mid-board and back panel mobo.


Can you guys help me to decide?