Building a Gaming PC, is this good?

[paulpicks21]

4.5GHz on a 3570K is a healthy overclock. Anymore and you will start to need a much better cooling solution......in my opinion.

I was reading a review on the i7 4770k today Kelly, I thought ivy was bad for overclocking, but haswell appears to be worse. The most they could get out of it with a h100i was 4.7ghz and it hit 98c. Performance difference over ivy in the benchmarks was not very impressive either, between 4 to 10% . This is fine if you are like the OP coming from much older gen, but I will not be changing.

 

[CommandoBob]

4.5GHz on a 3570K is a healthy overclock. Anymore and you will start to need a much better cooling solution......in my opinion.

I was reading a review on the i7 4770k today Kelly, I thought ivy was bad for overclocking, but haswell appears to be worse. The most they could get out of it with a h100i was 4.7ghz and it hit 98c. Performance difference over ivy in the benchmarks was not very impressive either, between 4 to 10% . This is fine if you are like the OP coming from much older gen, but I will not be changing.

But would the stock frequency of the i7-4670k perform better than an overclocked i5-3570k to 4.5GHz? :sarc:

EDIT: Those who missed it, my revamped build, it was the last post of the second page so I worried some people might miss it.

 

[TwoCables]

4.5GHz on a 3570K is a healthy overclock. Anymore and you will start to need a much better cooling solution......in my opinion.

I was reading a review on the i7 4770k today Kelly, I thought ivy was bad for overclocking, but haswell appears to be worse. The most they could get out of it with a h100i was 4.7ghz and it hit 98c. Performance difference over ivy in the benchmarks was not very impressive either, between 4 to 10% . This is fine if you are like the OP coming from much older gen, but I will not be changing.

Yeah, and for this reason, I recommend waiting for several months for Haswell to mature. Intel will surely take notice and release a fixed version that overclocks more normally. So, I'd say that Sandy and Ivy Bridge CPUs are still the best Intel CPUs to purchase right now.

 

[CommandoBob]

4.5GHz on a 3570K is a healthy overclock. Anymore and you will start to need a much better cooling solution......in my opinion.

I was reading a review on the i7 4770k today Kelly, I thought ivy was bad for overclocking, but haswell appears to be worse. The most they could get out of it with a h100i was 4.7ghz and it hit 98c. Performance difference over ivy in the benchmarks was not very impressive either, between 4 to 10% . This is fine if you are like the OP coming from much older gen, but I will not be changing.

Yeah, and for this reason, I recommend waiting for several months for Haswell to mature. Intel will surely take notice and release a fixed version that overclocks more normally. So, I'd say that Sandy and Ivy Bridge CPUs are still the best Intel CPUs to purchase right now.

So I should pick an i5-3570k overclocked to 4.5GHz confronted by the i5-4670k which would be non-overclockable? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on hardware.

 

[kbrady1979]

No, the new Haswell chips will run about 5-10% better than Ivy Bridge, clock for clock. That is to say the 3570k and 4670k, running at exactly the same frequency, will have about a 5-10% difference in benchmarks.

Also, I heard they should be easier to OC Paul, but I'd not seen anybody with a retail chip trying yet. I made my mind up when I built this rig that I'm not upgrading until there is new technology out....DDR4, SATA Express or better.

I think we are getting things twisted and complicated lol. If I were building a system right now, I would go with the Intel i5-3570K.......I've read that the new chips OC even better than the early ones.

 

[CommandoBob]

No, the new Haswell chips will run about 5-10% better than Ivy Bridge, clock for clock. That is to say the 3570k and 4670k, running at exactly the same frequency, will have about a 5-10% difference in benchmarks.

Also, I heard they should be easier to OC Paul, but I'd not seen anybody with a retail chip trying yet. I made my mind up when I built this rig that I'm not upgrading until there is new technology out....DDR4, SATA Express or better.

Okay, thanks. Will stick with the i5-4670k. Glad to have the latest revisions on board.

 

[kbrady1979]

No, the new Haswell chips will run about 5-10% better than Ivy Bridge, clock for clock. That is to say the 3570k and 4670k, running at exactly the same frequency, will have about a 5-10% difference in benchmarks.

Also, I heard they should be easier to OC Paul, but I'd not seen anybody with a retail chip trying yet. I made my mind up when I built this rig that I'm not upgrading until there is new technology out....DDR4, SATA Express or better.

Okay, thanks. Will stick with the i5-4670k. Glad to have the latest revisions on board.

Up to you. I built an Ivy Bridge PC as soon as the parts were released and was lucky to get a good CPU that OC'd like a champ. I have not read anything solid about Haswell OC'ing, but I just learned in this thread they may be limited.

 

[paulpicks21]

Here's a link Intel Core i7-4770K (Haswell) CPU Review | bit-tech.net

Worth a read.

 

[CommandoBob]

Anymore improvements you fellas could give or is this build the best of the best for the moment? Note: GTX 660 Ti will be replaced with a GTX 760 Ti as soon as it's out.

 

[kbrady1979]

Here's a link Intel Core i7-4770K (Haswell) CPU Review | bit-tech.net

Worth a read.

Thanks Paul. I think we should stick with IB for now lol.

 

[TwoCables]

No, the new Haswell chips will run about 5-10% better than Ivy Bridge, clock for clock. That is to say the 3570k and 4670k, running at exactly the same frequency, will have about a 5-10% difference in benchmarks.

Also, I heard they should be easier to OC Paul, but I'd not seen anybody with a retail chip trying yet. I made my mind up when I built this rig that I'm not upgrading until there is new technology out....DDR4, SATA Express or better.

I think we are getting things twisted and complicated lol. If I were building a system right now, I would go with the Intel i5-3570K.......I've read that the new chips OC even better than the early ones.

Yeah, and I think that Haswell is going to see a similar improvement. That's what I am seeing some experts predicting anyway...

 

[paulpicks21]

No, the new Haswell chips will run about 5-10% better than Ivy Bridge, clock for clock. That is to say the 3570k and 4670k, running at exactly the same frequency, will have about a 5-10% difference in benchmarks.

Also, I heard they should be easier to OC Paul, but I'd not seen anybody with a retail chip trying yet. I made my mind up when I built this rig that I'm not upgrading until there is new technology out....DDR4, SATA Express or better.

I think we are getting things twisted and complicated lol. If I were building a system right now, I would go with the Intel i5-3570K.......I've read that the new chips OC even better than the early ones.

Yeah, and I think that Haswell is going to see a similar improvement. That's what I am seeing some experts predicting anyway...

We won't have to wait much longer to see if the predictions were right, Haswell was released today and is in stock at most etailers. I could order one today for Tuesday delivery, but I won't.

I don't know if we have gone off topic or not here really seeing as the OP want's to Overclock, I guess it's a good idea for him to get the full picture on both Ivy and Haswell.

Paul.

 

[kbrady1979]

Cough, cough, guinea pig, cough, cough

 

[CommandoBob]

I am not essentially wanting to overclock, all I'd care about is the performance of both CPUs when pushing them to their limits. Hope you'll undestand.

 

[paulpicks21]

Cough, cough, guinea pig, cough, cough

No way mate lol.

 

[kbrady1979]

If you are going to be pushing them much past "mild", you will need a better CPU cooler.

 

[paulpicks21]

I am not essentially wanting to overclock, all I'd care about is the performance of both CPUs when pushing them to their limits. Hope you'll undestand.

All I can go by is the review I read so far.

Based on that, if you only wanted to overclock Ivy or Haswell to 4.2ghz then Haswell will be faster and won't be too hot. If you want to go much higher then right now Ivy looks like the better option.

The good news is you don't need to buy for a month, by then there will be numerous reviews, benchmarks and user reviews on forums etc to give the full picture of what Haswell is like to overclock with.

 

[Dude]

Cough, cough, guinea pig, cough, cough

No way mate lol.

It would be easier for Kelly to test as he doesn't have to remove a video card when swapping out the motherboard

 

[paulpicks21]

Cough, cough, guinea pig, cough, cough

No way mate lol.

It would be easier for Kelly to test as he doesn't have to remove a video card when swapping out the motherboard

Good point

 

[kbrady1979]

Cough, cough, guinea pig, cough, cough

No way mate lol.

It would be easier for Kelly to test as he doesn't have to remove a video card when swapping out the motherboard

That's correct! Send me a couple Haswell CPU's and a Z87 motherboard or two and I'll get right on it!