NOD32 caused slow-down, AVAST hasn't

[tw33k]

Btw, what CPU/chipset does your system have?

see my specs...

 

[Frostmourne]

790X chipset - good choice.

 

[tw33k]

Thanks . This is a brand new build. I had a SSD in it but it died . Waiting for a replacement.

Sorry for going OT btw

 

[Frostmourne]

Thanks . This is a brand new build. I had a SSD in it but it died . Waiting for a replacement.

Sorry for going OT btw

No problem - if that 945 is AM3 socket I'd put in DDR3 RAM, but I think its Socket AM2+. That card isn't for gaming though - but you probably know that.

 

[tw33k]

The board doesn't support DDR3. The gfx card, I know. I don't play games and just wanted one good enough to connect via HDMI. Still umming about an upgrade though

 

[Frostmourne]

The board doesn't support DDR3. The gfx card, I know. I don't play games and just wanted one good enough to connect via HDMI. Still umming about an upgrade though

5670 or 5570 to save cash. I chose a 5570. GDDR3 is enough for 7, and it fully supports DirectX11.

 

[tw33k]

Thanks! I'll continue to ponder

 

[remm]

Here we go again. I don't care if Microsoft records my IP address or my film history from WMP or inserting code to check if its legal or anything. Does Microsoft care? No - apart from the legality of the OS.

There was a time back in the day when you could buy a computer without an OS, and it was less money too. Today, thanks to MS, no one who buys a computer gets away without buying an OS with it, and the vast majority of those computers are PCs with Windows... which you have to buy even if you want Linux... (unless you happen to find a computer you want that is offered with a Linux option).

So the point is, unless you build your own system, you are buying an OS with your computer. And while many people DO build their own systems (I do), those who do are a tiny minority comparatively AND stats show laptops have surpassed desktops in sales. And we can't build our own laptops. (I have 2 laptops and a desktop... and btw, had to buy VISTA on both laptops, even though I wanted XP on one, and already bought XP three times!!)

All to say, the vast majority of people ... the VERY GREAT majority, have purchased their OS legally... many times over. Because MS made it the law that computers must be sold with an OS.

Now, having said that, MS also decided it didn't need to bother wasting money supplying you with a CD anymore. No. In their infinite wisdom they decided they would use a portion of YOUR hard disk space -- whether you like it or not -- to put a hidden "recovery partition" that can only restore the system back to the default... wiping all your programs and tweaks, and re-installing all that crapware. Like anyone with a choice is going to opt to do THAT!

So now what's happened? People have turned to downloading the OS via torrents and binaries so they can get an actual CD with a repair option... like they PAID for but didn't get because this multi-billion dollar company owned by the richest man in the world, doesn't want to spend a few pennies to make a CD for you anymore... EVEN though you are paying more than ever for the OS!! And HAVE to buy it when you get a computer! And because systems have become so sophisticated, and people spend MONTHS getting their computer just right with proggies and tweaks and customizations, reinstalling from the ridiculous "recovery partition" is NOT what the customer needs! We need a repair disk that will get us back up and running intact. (Which MS has FINALLY started supplying from their website, but not before forcing hundreds of thousands of geeks to learn how to torrent or download binaries! That is a perfect example of how short-sighted MS is!)

And as long as people have had to go to all this trouble, many go a step further (like I do) and use tools like nLite to slipstream a custom version of the OS, with system's drivers, and an elimination of the MS products included in the OS they paid for, but don't want installed.


So will MSE see these custom installs as "legit" OSs? I don't know and I don't care. I would never use MSE in a million years. Not even if MS started giving their OSs away for free... and paid me to install MSE.

 

[antharr]

I love Nod32. I have been using it for years. I will install another antivirus from time to time to give it a test run but always come back to Nod. I ran it for the life of XP and haven't had any issues with 7 so far.

 

[antharr]

Here we go again. I don't care if Microsoft records my IP address or my film history from WMP or inserting code to check if its legal or anything. Does Microsoft care? No - apart from the legality of the OS.

There was a time back in the day when you could buy a computer without an OS, and it was less money too. Today, thanks to MS, no one who buys a computer gets away without buying an OS with it, and the vast majority of those computers are PCs with Windows... which you have to buy even if you want Linux... (unless you happen to find a computer you want that is offered with a Linux option).

So the point is, unless you build your own system, you are buying an OS with your computer. And while many people DO build their own systems (I do), those who do are a tiny minority comparatively AND stats show laptops have surpassed desktops in sales. And we can't build our own laptops. (I have 2 laptops and a desktop... and btw, had to buy VISTA on both laptops, even though I wanted XP on one, and already bought XP three times!!)

All to say, the vast majority of people ... the VERY GREAT majority, have purchased their OS legally... many times over. Because MS made it the law that computers must be sold with an OS.

Now, having said that, MS also decided it didn't need to bother wasting money supplying you with a CD anymore. No. In their infinite wisdom they decided they would use a portion of YOUR hard disk space -- whether you like it or not -- to put a hidden "recovery partition" that can only restore the system back to the default... wiping all your programs and tweaks, and re-installing all that crapware. Like anyone with a choice is going to opt to do THAT!

So now what's happened? People have turned to downloading the OS via torrents and binaries so they can get an actual CD with a repair option... like they PAID for but didn't get because this multi-billion dollar company owned by the richest man in the world, doesn't want to spend a few pennies to make a CD for you anymore... EVEN though you are paying more than ever for the OS!! And HAVE to buy it when you get a computer! And because systems have become so sophisticated, and people spend MONTHS getting their computer just right with proggies and tweaks and customizations, reinstalling from the ridiculous "recovery partition" is NOT what the customer needs! We need a repair disk that will get us back up and running intact. (Which MS has FINALLY started supplying from their website, but not before forcing hundreds of thousands of geeks to learn how to torrent or download binaries! That is a perfect example of how short-sighted MS is!)

And as long as people have had to go to all this trouble, many go a step further (like I do) and use tools like nLite to slipstream a custom version of the OS, with system's drivers, and an elimination of the MS products included in the OS they paid for, but don't want installed.


So will MSE see these custom installs as "legit" OSs? I don't know and I don't care. I would never use MSE in a million years. Not even if MS started giving their OSs away for free... and paid me to install MSE.

I agree 100%. I don't see why I have to spend hours cleaning crapware off a new laptop.

 

[gregrocker]

The profit margin is so thin that the sponsored bloatware provides almost all of the profit they make off of the sale.

MS gives them a nice cost break of Windows to preinstall Ofc trial, which is almost bait-n-switch since the average User will make a bunch of Ofc files and then get handed a bill for $260 3 months later when it is too late to use Works instead and no way to convert them.

The Norton magnate has become a billionaire off of bloating new computers to the point of corruption just by turning it on, or trying to uninstall it.

Most galling of all is tech support trying to tell us we can't clean reinstall or it voids support (not hardware) warranty. Next they'll threaten to break kneecaps. Have had to troubleshoot a hardware issue on a Toshiba with Win7 by pretending to be on Vista or they wouldn't talk to me.

The exception is a business computer, since they won't do it to each other apparently - just us plebes, scraping around like we're doing something sneaky to get a clean install on our own property for the past few years. Another legacy of the Vista bloatmonster.

 

[remm]

The profit margin is so thin that the sponsored bloatware provides almost all of the profit they make off of the sale.

Just a clarification that you are talking about the hardware vendor, not MS.

MS gives them a nice cost break of Windows to preinstall Ofc trial, which is almost bait-n-switch since the average User will make a bunch of Ofc files and then get handed a bill for $260 3 months later when it is too late to use Works instead and no way to convert them.

And one of these is adware... can't remember if it's Works or the "Student Office" package...

The Norton magnate has become a billionaire off of bloating new computers to the point of corruption just by turning it on, or trying to uninstall it.

Most galling of all is tech support trying to tell us we can't clean reinstall or it voids support (not hardware) warranty. Next they'll threaten to break kneecaps. Have had to troubleshoot a hardware issue on a Toshiba with Win7 by pretending to be on Vista or they wouldn't talk to me.

The exception is a business computer, since they won't do it to each other apparently - just us plebes, scraping around like we're doing something sneaky to get a clean install on our own property for the past few years. Another legacy of the Vista bloatmonster.

Another legacy of MS and the arrogant way it looks down on its customer base as morons to be dictated to at their own expense -- to the immense profit of Microsoft. Don't get me wrong... I like the W7 OS system, having been using Windows now for over 20 years. My computer is another refuge, and Windows is the furniture and window dressing of that refuge. It's home. But I have lost all respect for the company behind it.

 

[antharr]

Personally, I'm not paying for any antivirus packages again. Probably ever. I use MSE - it has everything you need and naturally works with 7. I would be very careful with what antivirus package you choose. 7 is new, and the vendors are getting sloppy - NOD32, AVG cough cough.

When this Norton 360 licence expires on the laptop in my specs, MSE is going to be installed.

I loathe security suites with a passion. I like taking the modular approach and installing an individual app for each of my needs. I use Nod32 2.7 (which works great with 7 by the way), Malwarebytes, SuperAntiSpyware, and SpywareBlaster. I don't use any software firewalls because I am behind a NAT firewall and keep my machine clean. If I needed a software firewall I would probably use Comodo.

Suites tend to cause all sorts of issues from blocking your internet connection to slowing you system down. I see it every single day. I cannot count the times I have had to completely uninstall Norton, Mcafee, or Trend at work. All the apps mentioned claim to have spyware protection but do a horrible job at detecting and removal.

With that being said I ran MSE through some tests this morning against my Nod32 2.7. and I have to say I was very pleased with the results. It blocked all attempts to change homepages, registry keys, and host file entries. Although Nod blocked them all as well.......it isn't free. I would say that if you have the system resources to run MSE and don't want to fork out cash then MSE looks pretty darn solid.

 

[The Blessed One]

This thread is ridiculous.

Your using Nod32 2.7 which is completely out-of-date. The newest version is Nod32 4.0.474

Your 2.7 version:

1. It was released over 3 years ago.
2. It was not designed for Windows 7.
3. It uses an old engine to detect and remove malware.
4. The newest Nod32 Antivirus is 4.0.474

It's people like you who give good products a bad name, stop using the old 2.7 version and use the 4.0 and if you still find that it slows your system/causes other problems for Windows 7, then you can start a thread etc...

Use some common sense!

 

[unifex]

I was reading this thread since I am using ESET v.4 on Windows 7 x64. I have purchased the license when they came up with the 64-bit version, that was before MSE appeared. So naturally I will keep using ESET till the end of the license.

To the main subject of the thread - I have never experienced severe problems, although sometimes downloaded files get scanned for a second longer than I would like. Not always though. As far as actual performance (detecting threats, not "not slowing down the system") - I am behind NAT firewall as well and I clean up cookies automatically every day, and don't go to suspicious sites, so as a result - no threats.

As far as the MSE - I honestly do not know whether it does anything beyond scanning for viruses. It would bother me a lot if it did. OK, my OS is naturally legit, but if MSE tried to check that every day, as well as check whether my other software were properly licensed - I am not sure I like that, especially if information gets sent to Microsoft. I do not share the "evil corporation conspiracy" opinion, I don't care if my new PC comes with pre-installed bloatware - I think vendors are entitled to their profits, after all they are providing me with computers so powerful so cheap (I recall the old days when I had a Digital Alpha workstation at the University costing many thousands of dollars running 64-bit proprietary UNIX for which one had to purchase license keys every year for about $300 on the campus-wide superdeal). But I don't like my computer to do something I am not fully aware of, particularly if this involves internet connection. This is basically my main motivation for running my software firewall in addition to the NAT hardware one - I can control which app accesses the net. In particular I see no reason why software such as Adobe Acrobat or Microsoft Word or Nero need to access the internet on a daily basis, so I block them from doing so. It is of course slightly annoying that if I buy an HP printer, then the supplied software comes with an online shop app and so on and so forth, but I guess that's how they make money these days - hardware is way too cheap. So I guess I have to pay for this with my time - uninstalling all the crap that they put in, but lucky for me, this only takes a moment during lunchtime.

 

[Nero]

This thread is ridiculous.

Your using Nod32 2.7 which is completely out-of-date. The newest version is Nod32 4.0.474

Your 2.7 version:

1. It was released over 3 years ago.
2. It was not designed for Windows 7.
3. It uses an old engine to detect and remove malware.
4. The newest Nod32 Antivirus is 4.0.474

It's people like you who give good products a bad name, stop using the old 2.7 version and use the 4.0 and if you still find that it slows your system/causes other problems for Windows 7, then you can start a thread etc...

Use some common sense!

bout time someone pointed that out....ESET the best!

"Also, security these days goes far beyond a layer of protection for the operating system (Windows). Many threats have nothing to do with the underlying operating system. They are in Firefox, Mozilla, browser plug-ins, infected web sites, social engineering, other applications (such as Adobe), etc.
So it is healthiest for the security providers, and the users, if Microsoft is on the same playing field—distributing through similar channels and not taking advantage of their almost monopolistic domination of operating system distribution.
MSE is not the silver bullet but it is also not the bad sequel to One Care that some claim—it is just another average security product. It has probably been hyped much more than deserved and thus the Shakespeare comparison may be the best. A recent review by Neil Rubenking of PCMag (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2353699,00.asp) probably says it best:
So should you rely on Microsoft Security Essentials for free protection? I’d say no, unless you strongly value the Microsoft name. My own testing suggests that you’ll do better with one of the other free anti-malware solutions such as AVG Anti-Virus Free or avast! antivirus Home Edition.
Ultimately security is about trust. The user has to trust that the product (and the company behind the product) will protect them, their computer, and their data. We are glad we have earned the trust of over 90 million users. We aim to keep and enlarge that trust.
Who do you trust?"

 

[remm]

This thread is ridiculous.

Your using Nod32 2.7 which is completely out-of-date. The newest version is Nod32 4.0.474

Your 2.7 version:

1. It was released over 3 years ago.
2. It was not designed for Windows 7.
3. It uses an old engine to detect and remove malware.
4. The newest Nod32 Antivirus is 4.0.474

It's people like you who give good products a bad name, stop using the old 2.7 version and use the 4.0 and if you still find that it slows your system/causes other problems for Windows 7, then you can start a thread etc...

Use some common sense!

bout time someone pointed that out....ESET the best!

Please read a thread from the beginning if you want to chime in, especially to wrongfully criticize and be snarky. I am the OP and my experience (which I stated in the very first post) is that NOD32 2.7 hung on downloading files AND made deleting small files from the desktop take several seconds. It did this in both Vista 32-bit and W7 64-bit. Being a huge NOD32 fan for years, I updated to the current trial version (also stated in the first post for those who actually READ), because I figured the problem was that my NOD32 vers was too old. Unfortunately, the most current version 4.0.474 created the same behaviors as 2.7 after just an hour or so of using it.

If NOD32 still works for you, great. If it still worked for me, I'd still be using it too. But just b/c someone's experience is different from yours, doesn't make this a ridiculous string. I suggest reading the thread from the beginning before putting your foot in your mouth, or opt to simply lurk if you don't want to bother or don't have the time.

 

[remm]

I loathe security suites with a passion. I like taking the modular approach and installing an individual app for each of my needs.

I'm with you. SuperAntiSpyware, Spyware Blaster and AVAST at the mo'. Then a few OD scanners I use occasionally to double-check.

With that being said I ran MSE through some tests this morning against my Nod32 2.7. and I have to say I was very pleased with the results. It blocked all attempts to change homepages, registry keys, and host file entries.

Any current AV will do this. AVAST does too.

Although Nod blocked them all as well.......it isn't free. I would say that if you have the system resources to run MSE and don't want to fork out cash then MSE looks pretty darn solid.

As one of the other posters pointed out, who do you trust? If you trust MS, then go right ahead. OTOH, AVAST is also free and beat MSE in all independent testing that I saw. Not that I was looking for MSE results, but I noticed them while comparing candidates I would have considered.

 

[antharr]

This thread is ridiculous.

Your using Nod32 2.7 which is completely out-of-date. The newest version is Nod32 4.0.474

Your 2.7 version:

1. It was released over 3 years ago.
2. It was not designed for Windows 7.
3. It uses an old engine to detect and remove malware.
4. The newest7 Nod32 Antivirus is 4.0.474

It's people like you who give good products a bad name, stop using the old 2.7 version and use the 4.0 and if you still find that it slows your system/causes other problems for Windows 7, then you can start a thread etc...

Use some common sense!

I love NOd32. I am using 2.7 on my 7 machine and have had no problems.

 

[Vice]

NOD32 is the only AV I have ever continued to use. I've tried others but always went back. Never had a single problem with NOD32.

Fair enough, but its now unnecessary - MSE has everything you need or will use for nothing.

I also like MSE, but after reading numerous reviews, they always say avast and nod32 are still better than it? =\