Add a SSD RAID 1 array to a Asus M4A78T-E w/RAID 0?

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Hello all

This may get a bit complicated and I will admit this is not something I might be talking all about correctly so please be kind if I get some of it wrong (also please feel free to educate).

So currently I have a Asus M4A78T-E motherboard, and in using its onboard RAID controller and for the OS drive, I have a set of Western Digital ATA Black drives in RAID 0 which for this boards controller means it striping across each disk, which I did years ago for the best performance at the time.

Now I would like to install a set of SSD drives and put them in RAID 1 which for this board is a Mirror RAID.

Basically while I know this board as all its systems are older will not allow the max performance of the SSD drives still I think it will be better than the ATA RAID 0 even in RAID1 (I hope). So if that works out to be the case I think I can go to Mirror RAID as I really would like to get the redundancy of that while not loosing the performance of the RAID 0 I have now.

Also I should mention that these Black drives have been in for years and have a lot of miles on them are starting to show signs that are starting to go so I am getting a bit worried about that, plus with all that time too the OS really could use a clean install.

So if this can all work this way mechanically my desire is to put a clean version of my OS on the SSD drives, and then as desire hopefully swap in the BIOS which one is the boot drive. Then as I have time swap the key files over to which as a point ultimately I will have the SSD RAID 1 array be my main OS drive.

Thanks greatly for any help.
 

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AMD Phenom II X4 965
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Asus M4A78T-E
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I guess I don't really understand why you are trying to RAID two SSDs, unless you feel you need redundancy. The performance gain from one SSD, even if you are running in SATA 2 mode from your old MB, an SSD will be faster than two standard spinning drives in any RAID array, so the comparison isn't valid.

My point is, why spend the money on a second SSD to put into a RAID array when the performance gain would be marginal over just one SSD drive? Unless redundancy is ultra important here, I don't see the advantage vs. cost.
 

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Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
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AMD FX 8350 Vishera @ 4200
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ASUS M5A97 R2.0
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Thats exactly what I am looking for.

When I did the drives in RAID 0 years ago I was looking for the most I could get from the drives performance wise, but I always worried about what would happen if one ever failed as I would loose everything.

But now that just like you said, the SSD drives will be faster then even the ATA's working in RAID 0, then why not get one.

But since too I have the equipment to do this, why not get two for the redundancy as it is a lot easier then having to do back ups all the time.

As mentioned too, these are going to be my OS drives, so they really don't have to be big.

So now that SSD drives around 500g are in a nice price range, just seems like a good simple way to increase my performance for this part of a pretty old machine that I can't do much more to, all while at the same time giving the the reliability of a continual real time back up of the OS drive.
 

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Homebuilt
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Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit (Full)
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AMD Phenom II X4 965
Motherboard
Asus M4A78T-E
Memory
8G Corsair DDR3 CMD4GX3M2B1600C8
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA 896-P3-1257-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Ed
Sound Card
Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro Series
Monitor(s) Displays
SAMSUNG 943BX Black 19" 5ms LCD
Screen Resolution
1024 x 768, 75Hz
Hard Drives
(4) WD Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM in 2 RAID

(2) WD 1 Tera's
PSU
Enermax Galaxy 1000w
Case
LianLi Full Alum.
Cooling
CPU: Artic-Cooling Freezer 46 Pro, Case: (6) 80mm
Keyboard
Microsoft Natural
Mouse
Microsoft Optical Wheel
Ah. I see what you mean now. It makes sense.

Good luck with your project. :)
 

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AMD FX 8350 Vishera @ 4200
Motherboard
ASUS M5A97 R2.0
Memory
16 GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3-2400 @ 1866 (9-10-10-10-31)
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XFX Radeon R9 280 Double D Black Edition
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Realtek HD Audio on MB. Sounds great.
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Acer 24", Acer 22"
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3840 x 1080
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1 x Mushkin Chronos 120 GB SSD (Win 10)
1 x Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD (Win 7)
1 x WD 1TB SATA Blue
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Corsair TX-750
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CoolerMaster HAF 912+
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Coolermaster Seidon 240M Liquid AIO. 6 case fans
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Logitech G710+
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Logitech G500s
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Much better since I got fiber, but still way overpriced.
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MSE, Malware Bytes for scanning
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Firefox
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Corsair VOID USB headphones.

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The problem I see with raid is when one SSD has a problem like infection, ransomware, system files, ect. they both have the same problem.

If you have a desire for raid, then by all means use raid, but it does not replace a quality backup or clone.

Backup and or Clones using Macrium Reflect really only takes a few minutes.
I can do a Clone from ssd to ssd in about 6 to 8 minutes. It depends on how much you have to transfer. Sata II would be slower.
I have used ssd's on Sata II on a older system and the speed increase over a hard drive was amazing.

Jack
 

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There is nothing wrong with using RAID 1, if it is used for the right reasons. The purpose of RAID 1 is to maintain access to your files in the event of a drive failure and permitting replacement to be deferred to a more convenient time. This is a big deal for a busy server but it is often difficult to justify the cost in a workstation. RAID 1 provides the storage capacity of a single drive with no significant performance improvement. But it's purpose is not to protect your data. For that you need to maintain backups. For an OS drive image backups are best. But no form of RAID ever devised is a viable backup solution. There are many ways other than drive failure to loose data and RAID provides no protection from any of them.

Don't even consider RAID 0 without backups. If one drive fails you loose everything, and as you have 2 of them that is twice as likely to happen. Data recovery from a RAID 0 array is often challenging, even for a data recovery professional.
 

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Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
CPU
Xeon W3520
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8 GB
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I have a small SSD (128G) for windows and programs and two 500G HDD's on a RAID 0 array for data. I have the speed of the SSD and the space of the HDD's at a low price.
I also have a 1T HDD that is always power disconnected. It has Win 7 and maintenance programs. Once a week I boot from it and do a data backup from the two 500G HDD's on a RAID 0 array. For the SSD I have a disk image.

In this way, even if the computer (SSD+ RAID 0) is infected by virus or malware, I can boot from the backup, work and use all my data files.
 

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