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So I done a fresh install of windows 10 on my new SSD. old HDD not connected at this point.
Now when I plug in my old windows 7 HDD it completely kills the display, everything else powers on.

I have to remove the GPU and PCI3 or whatever it is, remove the HDD
Reconnect everything and I can get back into windows 10 without problems

Any help would be appreciated.

I'm trying to move back to windows 7 but Microsoft made it difficult on Ryzen build.. I have PS/2 connector to USB so I can do the installation on my SSD, but the fact my old HDD is killing my display is worrying...

All I want is windows 7 pro on my ssd which is currently windows 10, of course access to my old files on HDD would be good also, is there another way to get files from HDD without plugging it into PC again?
 
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My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AuthenticAMD
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor
Motherboard
PRIME B350-PLUS
Memory
16.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
I'm confused as to what your overall ending objective is.

Do you want to end up with both Win10 and Win7, both installed onto SSD and both bootable from there? Do you want to end just with Win10 on the SSD but being able to copy data files from your old Win7 system on HDD over to somewhere on the SSD?

Or do you really want to undo your Win10 install on the SSD and re-install Win7 from scratch onto SSD, eliminating Win10? Note from my comments below that installing Win7 onto newer hardware machines (e.g. Skylake, and possibly Ryzen as well) requires updated Win7 installation media that includes built-in driver support for USB 3.0 (something which was NOT present in the original 2009-era MS retail Win7 installer media). This is easily doable, if you need it.

Will you retain the HDD and eventually delete all partitions currently on it and re-purpose as one (or several) "data" partitions?


From what I've read so far, sounds like you did a Win10 install to SSD without the HDD in the machine. So the new Win10 install went to brand new empty SSD, including creating the GPT System Partition (i.e. "system reserved") which is where Boot Manager lives on the SSD.

Just for information, Boot Manager supports theoretical booting to one or more bootable OS's. So if you had left your original HDD (with Win7 bootable on it) physically present when you did your new Win10 install specifying SSD as the target (i.e. both HDD and SSD were present), then the Win10 installer would have seen the pre-existing "system reserved" partition with Boot Manager and "boot manager menu" inside it, as well as your existing Win7 system partition.

Seeing that, the Win10 installer would have then just added Win10 to be a second bootable Windows to the "boot manager menu" already on the "system reserved" partition on HDD, and not installed its own brand new "system reserved" partition onto SSD (which is what you have now, since you removed the HDD and only had SSD present when you installed Win10 to the SSD). Had you left the HDD be present along with SSD when you installed Win10, you would have ended up being able to target the new Win10 install to the SSD while also retaining your existing Win7 install on the HDD. BOTH your old Win7 and new Win10 would have BOTH been bootable.

When you then booted the machine the two-Windows Boot Manager menu would have appeared, with the newly installed Win10 system (on SSD) pre-selected and thus marked as your new "default" Windows to boot from. Down one line on the menu list would have been your old Win7 system (on HDD), and if you had wanted to boot to it wanted to it you'd just manually arrow-down to that second line and press ENTER. If you simply pressed ENTER on the pre-selected first Win10 line (or waited 30 seconds and done nothing), you would have booted to Win10.

So with both HDD and SSD drives present during install you end up with a dual-boot result. Boot Manager partition and "boot menu" is still on the old HDD, along with Win7 system C-partition, on HDD. New Win10 system C-partition is on SSD. Note of course that whichever Windows you boot to, that partition gets lettered as C by that Windows. All other partitions get other drive letters assigned, D, E, etc., which you can optionally change to whatever you want using DISKMGMT if you wanted to... except that you can't change C.

You could also later have changed which one you wanted to be the pre-selected "default" Windows on the boot manager menu, which would get auto-booted after 30 seconds without pressing ENTER if you didn't navigate with the arrow-down to the other one manually and then press ENTER. So if you wanted to you could have reverted the menu to show Win7 as the pre-selected default rather than Win10, if you wanted to do that. You also could have deleted Win7 completely from the menu, making Win10 your now one-and-only bootable Windows available using Boot Manager and this menu. Note that with only bootable OS present on the boot menu there is no reason for Boot Manager to even present that 1-entry list to you for your selection, so it just boots there automatically by default when you boot the machine.

In summary, had you done your new second-Win10 install (to SSD, which is your choice) while the HDD is still present and thus "system reserved" and "boot manager menu" and the first pre-existing Win7 system all visible to the Win10 installer, you would simply have ended up with a dual-boot system with "system reserved" located on HDD. Both Win7 and Win10 would have been available to you. The BIOS would have still been pointing to the HDD as first device in the boot sequence list, and would go there when you boot the machine looking for the "active" partition (i.e. "system reserved") to find Boot Manager. Then the "boot menu" would have been examined by Boot Manager, two entries found, and the 2-item menu presented to you on the screen, with Win10 pre-selected as the default. You could choose it immediately with ENTER, or let it time-out and after 30-seconds it would have been auto-ENTER'ed, or you could have arrowed down to the second Win7 line and pressed ENTER to boot to WIn7.


However with only one drive (SSD) in the machine when you did the Win10 install, the BIOS automatically makes it first in the boot-device list sequence. So the Win10 installer only sees one physical drive and that it is brand new empty. So a FULL brand-new-from-scratch Win10 install to a brand new empty drive is performed. This is very different process than had you left your HDD with Win7 on it installed when you did the new Win10 install to SSD to be a second bootable Windows. Either approach is perfectly valid, but the results are quite different and how you then boot is quite different.

Since the target one-and-only-drive SSD was totally "empty" a brand new "system reserved" partition is created on the SSD, containing a new Boot Manager and new "boot manager menu" which contains only the single new Win10 item. As long as the SSD is the only physical drive installed, when you boot the machine this drive is the first device in the boot sequence list examined by the BIOS. So the "system reserved" partition on SSD is read by the BIOS, Boot Manager on SSD is found and launched, the "boot manager menu" is read, Win10 on SSD is seen as the one-and-only bootable OS and so it is automatically started. And that's how you get Win10 to come up, in the SSD-only install and operation.


Now, when you put the HDD back in the machine, you now have TWO DRIVES PRESENT. But the BIOS has to put one or the other of these first and the other one second, in its "boot device sequence list". It examines the first one first looking for "system reserved", and if found will use it. If not found it will o on to the next device in the list, again looking for "system reserved".

Since you now have TWO drives in the machine that the BIOS can see, if you really do now want t6o boot from Win10 on the SSD you must get into your machine's BIOS Setup Utility to set that SSD as the first device in the boot sequence list. That will guarantee the BIOS will discover the "system reserved" partition on the SSD and will use its Boot Manager and "boot manager menu" pointing to Win10 on SSD.

If you failed to change the BIOS to place the SSD in front of the HDD, then the opposite arrangement must instead be in place now. So the HDD is examined first by the BIOS to find "system reserved". And sure enough there is one there, namely the original Win7 version of "system reserved" with the old Win7 Boot Manager and old 1-entry "boot manager menu" pointing to Win7 alone. So this Boot Manager should then have automatically booted to Win7, never offering you the choice of Win10 at all.

In this "problematic" (which is just my own opinion) where you actually have TWO separate "system reserved" partitions (each with Boot Manager and a "boot manager menu") on TWO different drives, and you want to boot to one or the other, you must use yet another technique. The BIOS typically has a special hotkey (typically F12) which if you press it repeatedly during the boot process will produce a special interrupt screen that now allows you to override the BIOS "boot device sequence list" and instead manually choose from any available device now shown on the screen to try and boot from. In other words using F12 presents every possibly bootable device physically present, and you can choose whichever one you want to boot from. This allows you to pick a bootable USB or CD/DVD instead of HDD or SSD, etc.

Note that normally you use the BIOS Setup utility to arrange things to work automatically, and never need to use F12 for manual control. So you could place USB first in the "boot device sequence list", optical CD/DVD drive second, and one true bootable drive (either HDD or SSD) where properly constructed "system reserved" and Boot Manager and "boot manager menu" live third. At boot time if you don't have a bootable USB flash drive inserted, the BIOS moves on to see if you have a bootable CD disc inserted, and if not then it moves on to examine the internal drive (SSD or HDD) to look for "system reserved" (i.e. the partition marked with its "active" flag so that the BIOS can recognize it).

You only need to use F12 in a multi-bootable situation if you didn't do the install of your second Windows while the first Windows was fully visible (i.e. if you removed the HDD when you did the Win10 install to SSD), so that you ended up with TWO DRIVES THAT EACH CONTAIN "system reserved". Now you have to manually point the BIOS to one or the other to boot from right now, and that's what F12 allows you to do.

Otherwise, in a genuine desire to end up with TWO bootable Windows systems (which can either be in two partitions of the same physical drive, or in two partitions on two separate physical drives), you would simply cause the Win10 installer to ADD the new Win10 (on SSD) entry to the "boot manager menu" located in the existing "system reserved" partition on the existing HDD. Not a problem. Perfectly normal... assuming you wanted to end up with TWO BOOTABLE WINDOWS SYSTEMS, Win10 and Win7.

Of course if your goal was to only end up with Win10, then removing the HDD before installing Win10 to the now one-and-only SSD drive makes it easier to later boot to SSD and Win10, and delete all partitions on the to-be re-purposed HDD (once you reinstall it in the machine) and create "data" partitions on the HDD.

However in order to ensure that you boot to Win10 from SSD once you reinstall the HDD in the machine so that both drives are now present, you either have to (a) get into the BIOS to set the boot device sequence list to show SSD first, or (b) use F12 to interrupt the machine boot process in order to allow you to manually select SSD as your boot device in order to point the BIOS there to find its "system reserved" partition and Boot Manager on SSD.


Long rant, I know. But I hope it was helpful.

Final question. Is your Win7 HDD from another machine, and you tried putting it into this new machine? Or is this the Win7 HDD you were previously using on this machine?

I have zero experience with Ryzen. But I do know that with Skylake and newer chipsets Win7 cannot be installed or operate without manual addition of the now required Intel USB 3.0 driver. This new hardware supports USB mouse and keyboard through the "embedded controller" in the hardware, which requires USB 3.0 rather than USB 2.0. Since Win8.1 and Win10 come with USB 3.0 support built into the installer and OS, there's no problem installing Win8.1 and Win10 on the newer hardware (and Ryzen may be in this group).

But Win7 didn't come with built-in support for USB 3.0. So if you want to install Win7 from scratch on a Skylake (and possibly Ryzen) machine, since the install requires mouse and keyboard you must first create brand new Win7 install media with the USB 3.0 drivers added. This is a well-known issue and the solution is easy, if you need it.

Similarly, trying to use a pre-existing previously installed Win7 system from an old machine (older than Skylake) on a new machine (Skylake, and possibly Ryzen as well) then you must first have added USB 3.0 drivers to it if you haven't previously done that. I don't know if your Win7 HDD is an old Win7 from another machine and which might not have USB 3.0 drivers present, or is it actually from this very machine you're now working with so that presumably it must have had USB 3.0 drivers present?


Anyway, I have presented several initial questions for you to answer and clarify. Most importantly,please describe your ending objective if you had both HDD and SSD installed and without any problems, what would you be wanting to end up with?

What machine was the HDD and its Win7 being used on?

Did you have one old machine with this HDD and Win7 and you're migrating to a new machine and want to be able to use the same exact HDD with pre-installed Win7 on it, without doing a fresh Win7 reinstalle?

Or are you trying to upgrade an existing Win7 machine to now use Win10 on that same machine, instead of Win7?

Or are you wanting to have the option of running both Win7 as well as Win10 on this new machine?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home-built, two systems (1) and (2)
OS
Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
CPU
i5-3350p 3.1Ghz/6MB-cache (1); E8400 3.0Ghz/6MB-cache (2)
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z77-V Pro (1); ASUS P5Q3 (2)
Memory
8GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (1); 4GB PC3-10600 DDR3 (2)
Graphics Card(s)
ATI HD7750 (1), (see TV cards); ATI R7 250 (2)
Sound Card
Realtek ALC892 HD Audio (1); Realtek ALC1200 HD Audio (2)
Monitor(s) Displays
Eizo HD2441W LCD, Eizo S2433W (1); Eizo 24" S2433W (2)
Screen Resolution
1920x1200, 1920x1200 (1); 1920x1200 (2)
Hard Drives
(1) 1TB SATA-II (7200RPM), 2x2TB SATA-III (7200RPM), 250GB SATA-III (10000RPM) for OS; 2x2TB external USB 3.0

(2) 320GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 750GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 150GB SATA-II (10000RPM) for OS; 2TB external USB 3.0
PSU
Nesteq ECS-6001 600W (1); Nesteq ECS-5001 500W (2)
Case
Acousti-Case 360 (1) and (2)
Cooling
Noctua NH-U12P SE2 for CPU, 2x120mm case fans (1) and (2)
Keyboard
IBM PS/2 (1) and (2)
Mouse
Logitech MX Revolution wireless (1); Microsoft wired (2)
Internet Speed
100mbps down / 10mbps up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials; Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Pro
Browser
Firefox
Other Info
Ceton InfiniTV 4-tuner cablecard-enabled TV card as well as Hauppauge HVR-2250 OTA/ATSC 2-tuner TV card in (1), running under Win7 WMC
Sorry for that long previous post, but I didn't have a feeling for your overall machine environment or long-term objective. So I asked some basic questions... still need some answers before recommending what might be best to achieve your goals.

(1) Is this a brand new machine which arrived with Win7 pre-installed on HDD, and you added SSD, installed Win10 to the SSD, and now want to undo your Win10 result and just get Win7 over to the SSD and off of HDD?

Best approach here would probably be to use Macrium Reflect Free and simply "clone" your existing HDD-based Win7 partitions, then boot into BIOS Setup utility to change the boot sequence list to show the SSD first (in front of HDD), and then boot to Win7 (which would now be picked up from SSD).

Then while now running from the cloned Win7 (booted from SSD) you could use Partition Wizard Free to delete all partitions on the HDD, and create one or more new "data" partitions there. You would now be permanently set up to run Win7 from SSD and have your HDD as a second "data" drive.

(2) Is this a new second machine, and your HDD and Win7 is from an existing older machine? So are you trying to use Win7/HDD directly from one old machine just transplanted into a new Ryzen second machine?

(3) Do you want to end up with just Win7, just Win10, or both Win7 and Win10 in a dual-boot setup? It's clear you want to end with SSD and HDD, booting from SSD. But the rest of your environmental objective determines how to proceed.

(4) Are you really just having problems trying to install Win7 from scratch on a Ryzen machine? Could be that you need to create updated Win7 install media which includes USB 3.0 driver, same as for wanting to install to a Skylake machine.

(5) If (1) is your objective but because of your install of Win10 to SSD and resulting issues when you re-install the HDD and can no longer boot properly, I suggest you re-examine your BIOS Setup utility boot sequence (typically in STARTUP or BOOT tabs) to ensure you're booting from the device you want to boot from, either HDD or SSD. Or you can use F12 to manually select the boot device.

But if this Win7 HDD system previously worked on this machine (because it came pre-installed), it should still work if you are sure you're booting to HDD and haven't damaged the contents of that drive. The presence of a second Win10 setup on SSD should be irrelevant.

If that HDD is truly untouched from its previous usable Win7-bootable condition, seems you could just boot to it without problem. I don't understand whether you're running Win7 (from HDD) or Win10 (from SSD) in the problem situation where you say "kills display" with both drives physically present?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home-built, two systems (1) and (2)
OS
Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
CPU
i5-3350p 3.1Ghz/6MB-cache (1); E8400 3.0Ghz/6MB-cache (2)
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z77-V Pro (1); ASUS P5Q3 (2)
Memory
8GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (1); 4GB PC3-10600 DDR3 (2)
Graphics Card(s)
ATI HD7750 (1), (see TV cards); ATI R7 250 (2)
Sound Card
Realtek ALC892 HD Audio (1); Realtek ALC1200 HD Audio (2)
Monitor(s) Displays
Eizo HD2441W LCD, Eizo S2433W (1); Eizo 24" S2433W (2)
Screen Resolution
1920x1200, 1920x1200 (1); 1920x1200 (2)
Hard Drives
(1) 1TB SATA-II (7200RPM), 2x2TB SATA-III (7200RPM), 250GB SATA-III (10000RPM) for OS; 2x2TB external USB 3.0

(2) 320GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 750GB SATA-II (7200RPM), 150GB SATA-II (10000RPM) for OS; 2TB external USB 3.0
PSU
Nesteq ECS-6001 600W (1); Nesteq ECS-5001 500W (2)
Case
Acousti-Case 360 (1) and (2)
Cooling
Noctua NH-U12P SE2 for CPU, 2x120mm case fans (1) and (2)
Keyboard
IBM PS/2 (1) and (2)
Mouse
Logitech MX Revolution wireless (1); Microsoft wired (2)
Internet Speed
100mbps down / 10mbps up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials; Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Pro
Browser
Firefox
Other Info
Ceton InfiniTV 4-tuner cablecard-enabled TV card as well as Hauppauge HVR-2250 OTA/ATSC 2-tuner TV card in (1), running under Win7 WMC
Some questions:
- Was Win 7 (on the HDD) working before you installed Win 10 on the SSD?
- Is Fast boot and Secure boot disabled on BIOS?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Asus Q550LF
    OS
    Windows 7 Pro
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
Some questions:
- Was Win 7 (on the HDD) working before you installed Win 10 on the SSD?
- Is Fast boot and Secure boot disabled on BIOS?


Windows 7 was working perfectly fine on the HDD before I installed windows 10 on the SSD
Fast boot is disabled and secure boot can't seem to get that one disabled in BIOS for some reason
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AuthenticAMD
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor
Motherboard
PRIME B350-PLUS
Memory
16.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
Similarly, trying to use a pre-existing previously installed Win7 system from an old machine (older than Skylake) on a new machine (Skylake, and possibly Ryzen as well) then you must first have added USB 3.0 drivers to it if you haven't previously done that. I don't know if your Win7 HDD is an old Win7 from another machine and which might not have USB 3.0 drivers present, or is it actually from this very machine you're now working with so that presumably it must have had USB 3.0 drivers present?

I just upgraded my CPU last year, windows 7 was already on the machine, I've always had windows 7 until the SSD


Anyway, I have presented several initial questions for you to answer and clarify. Most importantly,please describe your ending objective if you had both HDD and SSD installed and without any problems, what would you be wanting to end up with?

SSD to have windows 7 professional and just get some file from HDD then get rid of it and use my new HDD

What machine was the HDD and its Win7 being used on?

The same one as the SSD


Did you have one old machine with this HDD and Win7 and you're migrating to a new machine and want to be able to use the same exact HDD with pre-installed Win7 on it, without doing a fresh Win7 reinstalle?

I want a fresh install of windows 7 on the SSD - which is currently windows 10 and the only bootable one out of the two

Or are you trying to upgrade an existing Win7 machine to now use Win10 on that same machine, instead of Win7?

no, I don't care about windows 10, just windows 7 =p

Or are you wanting to have the option of running both Win7 as well as Win10 on this new machine?

just windows 7

hopefully that helps XD
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AuthenticAMD
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor
Motherboard
PRIME B350-PLUS
Memory
16.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
diy
OS
Win7 pro x64
CPU
stock i7 7700k
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z270N-WIFI mini-ITX
Memory
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 @ 3200MHz
Graphics Card(s)
integrated Intel HD 630
Sound Card
onboard Realtek ALC1220
Monitor(s) Displays
two vertically mounted samsung 55" 4k un55mu8000
Screen Resolution
1920x1280
Hard Drives
256GB Samsung EVO 960 M.2 pci-e NVMe SSD
PSU
SilverStone Nightjar ST45NF 450Watt Fanless
Case
No case. Motherboard is mounted directly onto power supply
Cooling
Evercool low profile 815EP with Panaflow 12L fan at 7v
Keyboard
Ortek MCK-86 mini
Mouse
Belkin 5-button USB
Internet Speed
spectrum 400mbps

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AuthenticAMD
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor
Motherboard
PRIME B350-PLUS
Memory
16.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
Are you saying you cannot even get into bios with the HDD attached? I was assuming that your blank screen was because windows is trying to boot from the HDD and the HDD is no longer bootable. In the link I posted above you are booting from a windows 7 dvd.

btw, in your second paragraph of your first post I do not know what you are saying. It sounds like you may have a PCI-E graphics card attached, but also have motherboard graphics. There is a bios setting for which one gets priority. A blank screen can happen when you are physically connected to a pci-e card but the bios is set to prioritize the motherboard graphics. I would check that setting too.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
diy
OS
Win7 pro x64
CPU
stock i7 7700k
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z270N-WIFI mini-ITX
Memory
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 @ 3200MHz
Graphics Card(s)
integrated Intel HD 630
Sound Card
onboard Realtek ALC1220
Monitor(s) Displays
two vertically mounted samsung 55" 4k un55mu8000
Screen Resolution
1920x1280
Hard Drives
256GB Samsung EVO 960 M.2 pci-e NVMe SSD
PSU
SilverStone Nightjar ST45NF 450Watt Fanless
Case
No case. Motherboard is mounted directly onto power supply
Cooling
Evercool low profile 815EP with Panaflow 12L fan at 7v
Keyboard
Ortek MCK-86 mini
Mouse
Belkin 5-button USB
Internet Speed
spectrum 400mbps
Are you saying you cannot even get into bios with the HDD attached? I was assuming that your blank screen was because windows is trying to boot from the HDD and the HDD is no longer bootable. In the link I posted above you are booting from a windows 7 dvd.

btw, in your second paragraph of your first post I do not know what you are saying. It sounds like you may have a PCI-E graphics card attached, but also have motherboard graphics. There is a bios setting for which one gets priority. A blank screen can happen when you are physically connected to a pci-e card but the bios is set to prioritize the motherboard graphics. I would check that setting too.


Yeah the screen dies as soon as HDD is attached, I haven't tried plugging it in when PC is on, okay I'll check that out.

I have an RX480 graphics card, to get my screen back I unplug the GPU, take out that 8pin connector or 6pin PCI-E thing and then replug.

While the HDD was connected and the screen was blank with gpu, I fully disconnected the GPU, powered up without the gpu and used motherboard graphics but the screen was still blank so not sure what the problem is


Is my best option giving my SSD to someone to install windows 7 Pro and then try plugging it in and just forgetting about my HDD?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AuthenticAMD
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor
Motherboard
PRIME B350-PLUS
Memory
16.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
Sorry for that long previous post, but I didn't have a feeling for your overall machine environment or long-term objective. So I asked some basic questions... still need some answers before recommending what might be best to achieve your goals.

(1) Is this a brand new machine which arrived with Win7 pre-installed on HDD, and you added SSD, installed Win10 to the SSD, and now want to undo your Win10 result and just get Win7 over to the SSD and off of HDD?


No, this computer has had windows 7 since I installed it many years ago, I had bought a new SSD to upgrade my PC a bit but when I tried to install windows 7 the mouse n keyboard died so I just stuck windows 10 on it for now. I have a PS/2 connector now so I can install windows 7, but I can't use my old HDD to format the SSD now because it's killing the display when the HDD is connected

Best approach here would probably be to use Macrium Reflect Free and simply "clone" your existing HDD-based Win7 partitions, then boot into BIOS Setup utility to change the boot sequence list to show the SSD first (in front of HDD), and then boot to Win7 (which would now be picked up from SSD).

Then while now running from the cloned Win7 (booted from SSD) you could use Partition Wizard Free to delete all partitions on the HDD, and create one or more new "data" partitions there. You would now be permanently set up to run Win7 from SSD and have your HDD as a second "data" drive.

(2) Is this a new second machine, and your HDD and Win7 is from an existing older machine? So are you trying to use Win7/HDD directly from one old machine just transplanted into a new Ryzen second machine?

Same machine, just updated to Ryzen last year and updated to SSD this month

(3) Do you want to end up with just Win7, just Win10, or both Win7 and Win10 in a dual-boot setup? It's clear you want to end with SSD and HDD, booting from SSD. But the rest of your environmental objective determines how to proceed.

SSD to have windows 7 OS and my old HDD some files from it, that's all, can get rid of that HDD then as I have a new one to store things on

(4) Are you really just having problems trying to install Win7 from scratch on a Ryzen machine? Could be that you need to create updated Win7 install media which includes USB 3.0 driver, same as for wanting to install to a Skylake machine.

Yeah I had problems but I bought a PS/2 connected, but a windows 7 ISO with usb 3.0 drivers as a backup just incase would be good as I've not had the chance to try the PS/2


(5) If (1) is your objective but because of your install of Win10 to SSD and resulting issues when you re-install the HDD and can no longer boot properly, I suggest you re-examine your BIOS Setup utility boot sequence (typically in STARTUP or BOOT tabs) to ensure you're booting from the device you want to boot from, either HDD or SSD. Or you can use F12 to manually select the boot device.

But if this Win7 HDD system previously worked on this machine (because it came pre-installed), it should still work if you are sure you're booting to HDD and haven't damaged the contents of that drive. The presence of a second Win10 setup on SSD should be irrelevant.

If that HDD is truly untouched from its previous usable Win7-bootable condition, seems you could just boot to it without problem. I don't understand whether you're running Win7 (from HDD) or Win10 (from SSD) in the problem situation where you say "kills display" with both drives physically present?


Anytime the HDD is plugged in it kills display, that's all I know
Windows 7 > on HDD
HDD on its own > kills display
HDD and SSD both plugged in > kills display
Cannot see anything from the moment its plugged in

Have to pull gpu and PCI connector, disconnect hdd, reconnect everything including SSD to bring the display back

Windows 10 > SSD


I had an IT tech out to my house, hes been working with PC's for 20 years, even he said after he took it all apart etc, switching ram, using 1 stick etc etc etc that it was weird..

Technically I should just be able to plug in the HDD and it should work, he didn't have a lot of time, but he said the motherboard graphics should've showed something? he seemed a bit surprised when he reconnected the GPU and the PCI connector thing that it showed signal again with the SSD~

-----

Last night I tried connecting the HDD to the PC again and that's when it killed the display.. so I did what he did.. Disconnected the GPU, PCI connector thing & removed the HDD

Hooked it all back up with the SSD included and the display came back


Hopefully I'm making some sense now lol, apologies

Right now my end goal is just getting back to windows 7. But how will I go about formatting the SSD ?
Should I just get someone to do it on a non Ryzen build or even just another Ryzen build, with all drivers etc included? Will it work like that? Or get them to format it and make it so it's ready to be installed on my desktop? with my PS/2 connector I should be able to navigate through the installation, or even with the USB 3.0 support included onto the ISO?
 

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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AuthenticAMD
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor
Motherboard
PRIME B350-PLUS
Memory
16.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
Its sounding like the HDD is shorting out your motherboard. Since you cannot get anything on your display with it plugged in, my recommendation is you throw it away as who knows, the next time you plug it in it may break your motherboard.

So that leaves you two options, installing win7 from scratch on a ryzen board or customizing win10. For the second I would download classicshell on the win10 drive and give it a try. For the first, you'll save yourself some headaches if you get a ps2 keyboard for the install. I have not seen a detailed thread on sevenforums that discusses installing win7 on ryzen, but there are a few threads on other forums. Here's one....

How To Get Ryzen Working on Windows 7 x64
 

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diy
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stock i7 7700k
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Its sounding like the HDD is shorting out your motherboard. Since you cannot get anything on your display with it plugged in, my recommendation is you throw it away as who knows, the next time you plug it in it may break your motherboard.

So that leaves you two options, installing win7 from scratch on a ryzen board or customizing win10. For the second I would download classicshell on the win10 drive and give it a try. For the first, you'll save yourself some headaches if you get a ps2 keyboard for the install. I have not seen a detailed thread on sevenforums that discusses installing win7 on ryzen, but there are a few threads on other forums. Here's one....

How To Get Ryzen Working on Windows 7 x64

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Yeah I'm thinking of just forgetting the old HDD
I have a PS/2 connector to USB, so that should work, if not I'll just get the keyboard as a backup
So how will I go about formatting my SSD if I can't do it from my old windows 7?
 

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PRIME B350-PLUS
Memory
16.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
Windows 7 was working perfectly fine on the HDD before I installed windows 10 on the SSD
Fast boot is disabled and secure boot can't seem to get that one disabled in BIOS for some reason

When you installed Win 10 it turned Secure boot on.
Win 7 isn't compatible with secure boot.
When you try to boot from the HDD with Win 7, it locks.
You must turn off secure boot, or you will never be able to boot Win 7.

Last BIOS version for Asus PRIME B350-PLUS is 4207 (2018/12/13)
Witch BIOS version you have?
 

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  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
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    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
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    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
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    System Manufacturer/Model Number
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    OS
    Windows 7 Pro
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    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
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    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
When you installed Win 10 it turned Secure boot on.
Win 7 isn't compatible with secure boot.
When you try to boot from the HDD with Win 7, it locks.
You must turn off secure boot, or you will never be able to boot Win 7.

Last BIOS version for Asus PRIME B350-PLUS is 4207 (2018/12/13)
Witch BIOS version you have?

Imgur: The magic of the Internet

Seems like it's outdated
 

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OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor
Motherboard
PRIME B350-PLUS
Memory
16.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
Download Asus PRIME B350-PLUS BIOS 4207 (2018/12/13) - B350-PLUS BIOS 4207

BIOS_Update

Extract the PRIME-B350-PLUS-ASUS-4207.CAP and copy to a flash disk.
Enter BIOS and launch BIOS update. Browse to the PRIME-B350-PLUS-ASUS-4207.CAP on the flash disk.

I have downloaded the manual and will study it.
 

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  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
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    Asus Q550LF
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    Windows 7 Pro
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    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
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    Asus Q550LF
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    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
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    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
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    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
The Asus PRIME B350-PLUS doesn't have all BIOS settings explanation.
Once you have updated the BIOS, on top you have Boot tab. Enter it. What are the options for boot configuration? Is it now set for Windows-UEFI?
 

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    custom build
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    Windows 7 HP 64
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    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Asus Q550LF
    OS
    Windows 7 Pro
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    TinyWall firewall
So.. I managed to disable secure boot for a second

OS type > UEFI

Went to key management under the boot tab in advanced mode and clear secure boot keys

Switch OS type > other OS

Secure boot was disabled at this point

Reset and the damn secure boot was enabled again..

Do I have to set passwords in BIOS to get the option to not be greyed out?

* I've not updated BIOS yet *
 

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AuthenticAMD
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor
Motherboard
PRIME B350-PLUS
Memory
16.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
Hi

W7 MUST be the FIRST OS installed
If your Primary is W10 your defaults wont accept the W7 settings

Roy
 

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medionl/Aspire 6930G/acer x55a
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medion MS7366
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avixc
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palemoon
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Hi

W7 MUST be the FIRST OS installed
If your Primary is W10 your defaults wont accept the W7 settings

Roy

It was originally but the HDD is doing something to the display
Now I cant disable secure boot to install windows 7 on my SSD or maybe secure boot is messing with the HDD? idk
 

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AuthenticAMD
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Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
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AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor
Motherboard
PRIME B350-PLUS
Memory
16.00 GB
Graphics Card(s)
Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
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