Is my Win 7 size too big?

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Reading a recent thread where it was said that a Win 7 installation should be roughly 15-18GB got me wondering why mine is so large.
 

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MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
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G.SKILL 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 F3-10666CL9D-8GBNT
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The hibernate file (hiberfil.sys) will be in C:\ (root folder).
It will not be in the C:\Windows folder.

Turning off hibernate will increase free space on the C: partition, but it will not decrease space used by the C:\Windows folder.
 

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home built
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Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64 +Linux_VMs +Chromium_VM
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AMD Athlon II x4 620
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-MA785G-UD3H
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6GB GSkill DDR2 800
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AMD 4670 GPU + AMD 4200 IGP
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on board Realtek ALC889A
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RCA 40" LCD TV, Insignia 32" LCD TV, HP 15" LCD monitor
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OCZ Vertex 3 120GB,
Samsung F3 1TB (3),
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CM 90mm rifle
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2 multi-boot PC's
Mainly HTPC/Office/Gen purpose (no gaming).
Trendnet USB KVM.
LG DVD burner/Blue Ray Player.
Tray system for removable SATA backup drives.

Not currently OCd, under-volted.
I use Hybrid sleep, rarely re-boot or shutdown.

Hauppauge HD-PVR, Avermedia PCIe TV Tuner, Hauppauge PCI TV Tuner.
The hibernate file (hiberfil.sys) will be in C:\ (root folder).
It will not be in the C:\Windows folder.

Turning off hibernate will increase free space on the C: partition, but it will not decrease space used by the C:\Windows folder.

Yep. So any ideas why my Win 7 is 8Gb or so larger than it should be?
 

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HP p6608f
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Win 7 Home Premium x64
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Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
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HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
Your winsxs folder is larger than most. Mine is 8.1 GB.

Do you have a history of installing and uninstalling a lot of programs?

Here are 2 pix; compare to yours.

What are the larger items in your Winsxs folder?

My winsxs folder has 49,000 files totaling 8.1 GB
 

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Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
CPU
Intel Skylake i5-6600K, not overclocked
Motherboard
AsRock Z170M Extreme 4, micro ATX
Memory
8 GB HyperX DDR4-2666 (2 x 4 GB)
Graphics Card(s)
none; graphics are integrated on CPU
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onboard: Realtek ALC1150; external: USB Behringer UF0-202
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Dell S2340M 23 inch IPS
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System: Crucial MX100 series SSD, 128 GB;
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Rosewill SilentNight 500 watt fanless, semi-modular
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Antec Solo II
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Microsoft 200 6JH-00001 USB
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Dell or Microsoft optical wired; USB
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Microsoft Security Essentials and Malwarebytes Premium
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Pale Moon
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All fans PWM; speeds at idle: CPU circa 500 rpm; intake circa 600 rpm; exhaust circa 600 rpm; CPU temps 27 idle and 47 C load in a warm room (27 C/81 F) when running Intel Extreme Tuning Utility stress test.
Just to back up what ignatzatsonic said about a history of installing and uninstalling a lot of programs. This is a clean install (done a few days ago) size of winsxs with no uninstalls and just my usual programs.

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And the whole windows folder

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Danny
 

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Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
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intel(R)core(TM)2 duo CPU T6600 @ 2.20GHz
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intel gm45/gm47 revision 07
Memory
3 gb ddr3
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ati radeon hd4570/512mb
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lop156wh2-tle1 15.3 flat
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1366x768
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OCZ-Agility3 60gig ssd
320gig external hdd
500gig external hdd
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Optical
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30Mbps Down/30Mbps Up
To go along with what ignatzatsonic and xxxdannyxxx said.

How long have you had Win 7 installed?
I think the Windows folder grows in size over time, especially the winxsx folder.
Do you have a lot of programs installed?
Do you install/uninstall a lot of programs?

Here are 2 Win 7 x64 PC's folder sizes (size on disk) i just checked.
Win 7 was installed apx. 3 years ago.
PC-1 is used a lot more than PC-2, and has more programs installed.

PC-1
Windows folder 25.6 GB
winxsx folder 13.5 GB

PC-2
Windows folder 21.3 GB
winxsx folder 8.55 GB

These folder sizes don't cause any issues for me.
 

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home built
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Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64 +Linux_VMs +Chromium_VM
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AMD Athlon II x4 620
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Gigabyte GA-MA785G-UD3H
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6GB GSkill DDR2 800
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AMD 4670 GPU + AMD 4200 IGP
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on board Realtek ALC889A
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RCA 40" LCD TV, Insignia 32" LCD TV, HP 15" LCD monitor
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1680 x 1050
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OCZ Vertex 3 120GB,
Samsung F3 1TB (3),
Several others - WD, Seagate, Hitachi, ...
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Corsair 500 W
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Rosewill mid tower
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CM 90mm rifle
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Gyration wireless, Logitech wireless, Dell USB wired
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Spectrum - 100Mbps D / 10Mbps U
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Avast, MBAM3, EMET, WinPatrol
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Pale Moon, Firefox, IE
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2 multi-boot PC's
Mainly HTPC/Office/Gen purpose (no gaming).
Trendnet USB KVM.
LG DVD burner/Blue Ray Player.
Tray system for removable SATA backup drives.

Not currently OCd, under-volted.
I use Hybrid sleep, rarely re-boot or shutdown.

Hauppauge HD-PVR, Avermedia PCIe TV Tuner, Hauppauge PCI TV Tuner.
Where is the extra in winsxs? Individual folders show almost the same as what ignatzasonic showed but somehow the entire winsxs folder is 6GB larger.

I suppose it isn't an issue either if it does grow in size but I wonder why I can't at least account for the extra 6GB in winsxs?
 

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HP p6608f
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Win 7 Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
Mouse
HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
Where is the extra in winsxs? Individual folders show almost the same as what ignatzasonic showed but somehow the entire winsxs folder is 6GB larger.

I suppose it isn't an issue either if it does grow in size but I wonder why I can't at least account for the extra 6GB in winsxs?

How many total files in Windows? I have 78,046.

How many total files in winsxs? I have 49,288.

The size in winsxs is in those tens of thousands of small listings, not in the top 2 or 3.
 

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Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one
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Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
CPU
Intel Skylake i5-6600K, not overclocked
Motherboard
AsRock Z170M Extreme 4, micro ATX
Memory
8 GB HyperX DDR4-2666 (2 x 4 GB)
Graphics Card(s)
none; graphics are integrated on CPU
Sound Card
onboard: Realtek ALC1150; external: USB Behringer UF0-202
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell S2340M 23 inch IPS
Screen Resolution
1600 x 900
Hard Drives
System: Crucial MX100 series SSD, 128 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD30EZRX-00D8PB0, 3 TB
PSU
Rosewill SilentNight 500 watt fanless, semi-modular
Case
Antec Solo II
Cooling
Noctua NH-U12S; Noctua F12 intake, Noctua S12A exhaust
Keyboard
Microsoft 200 6JH-00001 USB
Mouse
Dell or Microsoft optical wired; USB
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials and Malwarebytes Premium
Browser
Pale Moon
Other Info
All fans PWM; speeds at idle: CPU circa 500 rpm; intake circa 600 rpm; exhaust circa 600 rpm; CPU temps 27 idle and 47 C load in a warm room (27 C/81 F) when running Intel Extreme Tuning Utility stress test.
Where is the extra in winsxs? Individual folders show almost the same as what ignatzasonic showed but somehow the entire winsxs folder is 6GB larger.

I suppose it isn't an issue either if it does grow in size but I wonder why I can't at least account for the extra 6GB in winsxs?


I know this isn't what you want to hear but - There isn't really anything to account for, the folder will grow over time and there is nothing you can do about it, its functioning as its suppose to do.
There's lots of good information out there about the winsxs folder and its purpose but this is a good read if you like - Disk Space - Engineering Windows 7 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

Danny
 

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Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
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intel(R)core(TM)2 duo CPU T6600 @ 2.20GHz
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intel gm45/gm47 revision 07
Memory
3 gb ddr3
Graphics Card(s)
ati radeon hd4570/512mb
Monitor(s) Displays
lop156wh2-tle1 15.3 flat
Screen Resolution
1366x768
Hard Drives
OCZ-Agility3 60gig ssd
320gig external hdd
500gig external hdd
Mouse
Optical
Internet Speed
30Mbps Down/30Mbps Up
The size in winsxs is in those tens of thousands of small listings, not in the top 2 or 3.

Those "tens of thousands" would have to add up to over 4GB. It is what it is but it would be nice to see what is taking up the space. That was the purpose of using TreeSize.
 

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Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP p6608f
OS
Win 7 Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
Mouse
HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
Those "tens of thousands" would have to add up to over 4GB. It is what it is but it would be nice to see what is taking up the space. That was the purpose of using TreeSize.

What makes you think TreeSize is NOT showing you what is taking up space?

What makes you think those tens of thousands do NOT add up to over 4 GB?

I have no idea. Just asking. Maybe it is a completely bogus and inaccurate application.

You might want to play around with the DIR sortorder switch at a command prompt.

For instance, this command:

dir /s /o:s

when run from this directory:

c:\windows\winsxs

will sort all files in size order, from smallest to largest, including subdirectories.

I just ran it on my PC. Took about 30 seconds to complete.
 
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PC/Desktop
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Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
CPU
Intel Skylake i5-6600K, not overclocked
Motherboard
AsRock Z170M Extreme 4, micro ATX
Memory
8 GB HyperX DDR4-2666 (2 x 4 GB)
Graphics Card(s)
none; graphics are integrated on CPU
Sound Card
onboard: Realtek ALC1150; external: USB Behringer UF0-202
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell S2340M 23 inch IPS
Screen Resolution
1600 x 900
Hard Drives
System: Crucial MX100 series SSD, 128 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD30EZRX-00D8PB0, 3 TB
PSU
Rosewill SilentNight 500 watt fanless, semi-modular
Case
Antec Solo II
Cooling
Noctua NH-U12S; Noctua F12 intake, Noctua S12A exhaust
Keyboard
Microsoft 200 6JH-00001 USB
Mouse
Dell or Microsoft optical wired; USB
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials and Malwarebytes Premium
Browser
Pale Moon
Other Info
All fans PWM; speeds at idle: CPU circa 500 rpm; intake circa 600 rpm; exhaust circa 600 rpm; CPU temps 27 idle and 47 C load in a warm room (27 C/81 F) when running Intel Extreme Tuning Utility stress test.
The size in winsxs is in those tens of thousands of small listings, not in the top 2 or 3.

Those "tens of thousands" would have to add up to over 4GB. It is what it is but it would be nice to see what is taking up the space. That was the purpose of using TreeSize.

See post #10. Follow that link.
 

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HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410
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What the local pub, local coffee shop offers.
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Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device


Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed.
There are 16,203 subfolders in winxs. My math was wrong. Apparently they add up to 11.6GB.
 

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Win 7 Home Premium x64
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Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
Mouse
HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
I'm simple so I will keep it simple. Winsxs has a very good purpose. I don't care the room it takes. I just leave it alone. Reading the post #10 to me makes it easy to understand the why and what for. I also let Windows 7 take what ever space it need to do the job. So far that works out well for me and my computers.
 

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ASUS X-99 Deluxe II
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Corsair Platinum 16 gig @2400
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EVGA GTX 1070 OC
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Asus 27" LED LCD/VE278Q
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INTEL SSD 730-240 Gb Sata 3.0/
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EVGA Platium 1200W
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Phanteks Luxe Tempered Glass 8 fans/ one radiator
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XSPC/ Water Cooled CPU
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Das 4 Professional
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Logitech M705/MX Anywhere 2-S
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100 mbits
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Microsoft Security Essentials/ Malwarebytes Premium 3.0/ SAS
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I.E. 11 default/Firefox/ ISP Time Warner Cable/Spectrum
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LG BluRay Burner/
Sound system-KLipsch-THX/
Icy Dock ssd Hot Swap bays.
I'm simple so I will keep it simple. Winsxs has a very good purpose. I don't care the room it takes. I just leave it alone.
Me too, but I do like to learn. I go back to my original post...I was just wondering.
 

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HP p6608f
OS
Win 7 Home Premium x64
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Intel Core i3-540 3.07 GHz
Motherboard
MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E)
Memory
4 GB (2 X 2) Dual-Channel PC-10600 DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel H57
Sound Card
Integrated Realtek ALC888S Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
17" SDM-HS73 (a vestige from my old computer)
Screen Resolution
1280 X 1024
Hard Drives
750GB SATA 7200 RPM
PSU
250W
Keyboard
HP USB keyboard
Mouse
HP USB optical mouse
Internet Speed
15Mbps/1Mbps
I understand you completely bru I also wonder. That is why post #10 and the site given is so good. My post wasn't directed to you personally or any single person. Many people read these post. I kind of wanted to tell all those that read these post that fooling with such things in my opinion would not be wise. Wondering is a good thing. It's the beginning of the learning process.
 

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ASUS X-99 Deluxe II
Memory
Corsair Platinum 16 gig @2400
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX 1070 OC
Monitor(s) Displays
Asus 27" LED LCD/VE278Q
Screen Resolution
1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI
Hard Drives
INTEL SSD 730-240 Gb Sata 3.0/
PSU
EVGA Platium 1200W
Case
Phanteks Luxe Tempered Glass 8 fans/ one radiator
Cooling
XSPC/ Water Cooled CPU
Keyboard
Das 4 Professional
Mouse
Logitech M705/MX Anywhere 2-S
Internet Speed
100 mbits
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials/ Malwarebytes Premium 3.0/ SAS
Browser
I.E. 11 default/Firefox/ ISP Time Warner Cable/Spectrum
Other Info
LG BluRay Burner/
Sound system-KLipsch-THX/
Icy Dock ssd Hot Swap bays.
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