KB3083324 Any Info please

[lucids]

KB3083324

Just got this one as an optional update anyone know what it is for?

Not a single thing on either google or Microsoft site searches.

 

[UsernameIssues]

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3083324

It updates the Windows Update client.

 

[lucids]

Thank you, M$ must have just posted that 11 mins ago I see, strange that it is only optional then. I'm looking out to avoid any other new telemetry or Windows 10 related updates.
Hopefully if there is any more useful info on exactly how and what the update does to the update client it can be posted here.

 

[kufr]

I just saw this online which is not very useful

Don?t check that box! Windows 7 patch KB 3083324 sneaks in | InfoWorld

I myself would like someone to shed some light on this specific patch until then I am not installing it at all.

I also found this

Windows 7 and 8 updates let them send telemetry info to MS like win 10 does. - AnandTech Forums

The above link does say that KB3083324 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparation for Windows 7) so I have marked it to hide this specific update

 

[Rich O]

kb3083324 has been withdrawn from my list of updates to install whilst checking for updates this evening. So Microsoft must have changed their mind about that one. (I had left it uninstalled and not hidden whilst researching...)

 

[lucids]

Yes true KB3083324 has been pulled from windows updates.
The recent turn of events prior to and after the launch of Windows 10 is extremely worrying and does now seem to point to a conspiracy to either force us all on to windows 10, install the telemetry and spying tools on Windows 7 or sabotage our operating systems, giving us little choice to move to Linux.

For the moment the only option is to switch off windows updates and check everything manually but M$ seem more unwilling to give out any info on new updates which in turn will lead to mistrust any info they might give. Have they been forced to do such by the US govt I wonder. I can really see this backfiring on them very very badly especially in the business market where confidence will plummet.

There are those on other forums who are looking deep into windows 10 and what they are finding in terms of these new tracking and spy tools is very alarming. There is definitely something odd going on and more people are beginning to realise this now.

 

[UsernameIssues]

On the other side of the coin:

There are users and companies that are intentionally allowing all Windows 7 telemetry to be gathered in the hopes of creating a better Windows product line.

Microsoft owns the operating system. They can do whatever they want with it* (within applicable laws). You are only licensed to use Microsoft's operating system.

*sure MS can upset some users. Doing so has not significantly hurt their market share - yet.

 

[Painter]

Now I always wait 1-2 weeks before installing optional windows updates. Some I never install. Even security updates can wait a few days now. I have often wondered what the effect is on your system if you installed one of these MS withdrawn updates. It could be anywhere from minor to catastrophic. If something goes wrong you may not attribute it to an update and it would be difficult to track down because MS no longer provides details on what the update addresses. KB3083324 was there for at least 3 days, so a lot of people would have checked it for install. Fortunately I did not. I prefer to let others be the crash test dummies.

 

[UsernameIssues]

KB3083324 has been available for testing since early August...
...just not available to the general public via WU.

If something goes wrong, you don't have to know the cause, you just restore the OS partition to a prior day using a system image. It is fine if you want to wait and let others (who know how to recover) be the crash test dummies. Post #7 was dealing with the "tin foil hat" aspect of these updates - not the timing of applying (or recovering from) them.

 

[torchwood]

Im not to worried about the privacy issues in 10 as its part of the terms/conditions, but on 7 i think that they are breaching thier own conditions, no where does it state they are allowed to do it, and i think it was pulled because of this.

Roy

 

[scr]

I choose not to participate in the Windows 7 MS sponsored Customer Experience Improvement Program. Interestingly I found a number of Tasks scheduled in Task Manger running on a regular scheduled interval even though it was stated that it was dependent on participation in the program. I've disabled them but I have to wonder why they were scheduled and running.

 

[Painter]

If something goes wrong, you don't have to know the cause, you just restore the OS partition to a prior day using a system image. It is fine if you want to wait and let others (who know how to recover) be the crash test dummies. Post #7 was dealing with the "tin foil hat" aspect of these updates - not the timing of applying (or recovering from) them.

For me, restoring to a previous image is what I do after trying some problem solving and have found no solution. I do want to know the cause of any problem that comes up on my system as I may be able to prevent it from happening in the future. I was not responding to post #7. Don't know why you thought I was.

 

[UsernameIssues]

Im not to worried about the privacy issues in 10 as its part of the terms/conditions, but on 7 i think that they are breaching thier own conditions, no where does it state they are allowed to do it, and i think it was pulled because of this.

Roy

You could be right. I've not read the W7 terms lately. The update that was pulled was optional. Maybe by accepting optional updates, you agree to the update.

Fortunately, I don't have to concern myself with the W7 agreement. I don't own any computers that run Microsoft operating systems.

 

[UsernameIssues]

If something goes wrong, you don't have to know the cause, you just restore the OS partition to a prior day using a system image. It is fine if you want to wait and let others (who know how to recover) be the crash test dummies. Post #7 was dealing with the "tin foil hat" aspect of these updates - not the timing of applying (or recovering from) them.

For me, restoring to a previous image is what I do after trying some problem solving and have found no solution. I do want to know the cause of any problem that comes up on my system as I may be able to prevent it from happening in the future. I was not responding to post #7. Don't know why you thought I was.

My bad. You are correct. You quoted nothing, so I should have taken your post as generic.

 

[NoelDP]

If you read the MS OEM T's & C's for Windows 7 carefully, they allow MS to do pretty much what they like (as they always have)

specifically...

This agreement only gives you some rights to use the features included in the software edition you licensed. The manufacturer or installer and Microsoft reserve all other rights.

Windows Update. To enable the proper functioning of the Windows Update service in the software (if you use it), updates or downloads to the Windows Update service will be required from time to time and downloaded and installed without further notice to you.

The software will from time to time perform a validation check of the software. The check may be initiated by the software or Microsoft. To enable the activation function and validation checks, the software may from time to time require updates or additional downloads of the validation, licensing or activation functions of the software.

...and here's one I hadn't noticed before...

You may only obtain updates or upgrades for the software from Microsoft or authorized sources. For more information on obtaining updates from authorized sources see go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Linkid=104612.

- I suspect that has changed in Windows 10!

 

[Painter]

"When you click a EULA’s “I Accept” button, what exactly are you accepting? That’s the source of considerable debate among people who get paid to fret over such legal questions.

Microsoft’s current EULAs run to more than a dozen pages. Most lawyers also concur that the Windows EULA amounts to a “contract of adhesion” — a boilerplate contract over which a consumer has no sway. Take it or leave it.

There’s nothing illegal or immoral about boilerplate contracts. However, courts in most countries don’t consider such agreements to be as binding as contracts in which both sides are on an equal footing."

Source: The EULA you click may not be the one in effect

To stay on topic (this thread) ... I can fully appreciate that MS has the right to maintain and update the OS as it determines appropriate, however 'the Client' with a W7 license can participate in the process as MS provided options. Clients who are not too computer savvy stick with the default setting and all maintenance is auto applied, however Clients who chose to participate in the process require some brief details to do so. Without details there is no criteria on which to decide. KB3083324 was made available without info and its sudden disappearance caused a degree of concern. Was it problematic? That is all.

 

[NoelDP]

"When you click a EULA’s “I Accept” button, what exactly are you accepting? That’s the source of considerable debate among people who get paid to fret over such legal questions.

Most supplementary EULAs are very specific about their terms - if you choose not to red them, then you really have no right to complain about them. None are as complex as the Windows Ts&Cs - but you have to read them knowing the background of the Windows ones to make any real judgement on them.

They ALL extend MS's reach - or they wouldn't be needed in the first place.

At least it's not like the iTunes one I saw today - which changes every time you update iTunes! I'm just glad I don't have it installed on my machines.

 

[Layback Bear]

I'm simple so keep this in mind.

Does M/S want to look at things in our computers to make things work better, I believe so.
Does M/S want to look at things in our computers to make judgements on possible advertisement to offer. I
believe so.
Does M/S want to look at things in our computers so they can make suggestion on what M/S apps you might want to use. I believe so.

Microsoft wants to do a lot of things and to my reading of the EULA they can just about do what ever they want to. We do not buy the Windows operating system. We pay for the right to use the operating system under the terms of the EULA.
I'm not saying the terms are good or bad; they are what they are.

What Microsoft isn't saying, they are trying to slow down counterfeiting of their products. So the sneak and peak will help them do that. They have always done a little sneak and peak looking for proper authentication of their products. They just want to do a better job of it.
I think many companies will start doing more of this sneak and peak to find and stop as much counterfeiting as possible of their products.
The movie and music industry will probable be doing some more things to try and slow down counterfeiting.
It will end up making us legal users of the movies and music jump through more hoops to prove we are legal users.
Did you ever wonder why many people in some countries run a $300.00 Ultimate on a $200.00 dollar laptop to play a free game. In my opinion that is what Microsoft is trying to stop. Come on folks 2 and 2 should still add up to 4.

Counterfeiting cost companies Billion of dollars every year. I don't blame the companies, I blame the counterfeiters and those who get and use counterfeit products. In my opinion they are the ones causing so many of the problems that the rest of us have to go through just to buy and use many products in a legal fashion.

I predict that it won't be long and their will be another legal problem in the E.U. courts over Microsofts EULA.

As always these are my thoughts and prediction. So please don't blame anybody but me for them.

 

[NoelDP]

...and I just had to try and read the Apple AppStore Ts&Cs - all 74 pages of it ! (OK _ I gave up after the first one, but as I'm not intending to keep the phone for more than a week they gantry getting anything sensible out of it if they like!)

 

[Painter]

KB3083324 is back. No longer an Optional update. September updates show it as Important.