Limewire Shut Down

[CarlTR6]

Actually, I'm just trying to do my part in getting this to the 25 page level.

Keep it going. With 2,545 views of this thread, at a declared rate of .243% I'm up to a whopping 5.48 (before taxes) if the going rate is 1/view.

:roflmao::roflmao:

Corrine, this is my contribution to your new found prosperity.

 

[Skulblaka]

You have to agree with this...

 

[LiquidSnak]

Actually, I'm just trying to do my part in getting this to the 25 page level.

Keep it going. With 2,545 views of this thread, at a declared rate of .243% I'm up to a whopping 5.48 (before taxes) if the going rate is 1/view.

:roflmao::roflmao:

Corrine, this is my contribution to your new found prosperity.

Luckily, Forum Threads officially falls under non-taxable commodities under the FTC's latest release, along with US customs.

 

[Corrine]

That is great news, LiquidSnak. With the tax rates here, that would have cut it almost in half.

 

[tw33k]

You have to agree with this...

Brilliant!

 

[Corrine]

Quoted from another site. Aryeh is a Microsoft MVP and works for ESET.

Hello,

A Princeton University undergrad who did an analysis of BitTorrent DHT traffic classifed just under 1% (0.97%) of torrented files are non-infringing. The remaining 99.03% of files were found to be copyrighted material. Source: Census of Files Available via BitTorrent, which is hosted by Princeton's Center for Information Technology Policy. It was discussed on Ars Technica earlier this year, which is where I heard about the study.

While I have some concerns about the methodology—for instance, I would like to have seen results from more protocols and a larger file set—from my own experience this sounds like a reliable figure.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

 

[linnemeyerhere]

I agree as well......to what??

 

[SledgeDG]

It sounds quite plausible...the 1% would be the different flavors of Linux Distros.

@Skulblaka: Absolutely..It's quite ridiculous. You actually go out and buy a DVD instead of just downloading it somewhere and as a "Thank You" you get plastered with those non skipable warnings and a ***load of non ads. Geesh why don't they put them behind the main movie where people who are into that stuff could still watch it.
That's why I rip the movies, I buy with DVDFab option "main movie only" that saves the original and my nerves

-DG

 

[KazeNoKoe23]

You have to agree with this...

WIN!

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there
actually it's easy to rip Vinyl tracks as well -- although the beauty of Vinyl is that the quality of sound is MUCH MUCH better than a hugely compressed MP3 file (which is why I always keep my music in FLAC format -- although compressed this is LOSSLESS compression at the highest quality bit rate).

I have some gear that can CUT vinyl discs -- I sometimes make some for colleagues from their music -- I print a customised label also on the disc for them.

Finally found a new source for Blank Vinyl -- from a Chinese factory in Shanghai -- prices are also very cheap for 100 blanks in packs of 7, 10 and 12 inch.

Technically I'm breaking the law -- but IMO this would be REDICULOUS.

People sharing stuff will ALWAYS continue -- what a horrible Planet this would become if humans couldn't share stuff.

How this needs to be managed in a sensible manner in a commercial environment is of course the tricky part.

The genie is out of the bottle now -- and the main problem I see with Music is that there isn't much new stuff appearing of any commercial value so even if the music industry tightened its grip on new releases there's enough out there already to keep people happy for the next 500 years or so without ever buying another album (digital or physical) again.

In any case what about Out of Issue stuff or if I want to play a guitar , record it and give it away to anybody mad enough to listen.

The Lawyers and Suits have really got themselves into an unsolvable muddle and there is NO WAY they can win this one.

The onlly solution against Piracy is perhaps to either disable the OS as soon as someone starts to use a "Pirate copy" or charge sensible and realistic prices.

There should also be a lot more Try before you buy stuff --but with ALL the features enabled.

Whatever we say about Adobe and their pricing you can at least TRY the FULL version of their products for 30 days without any hobbling / restrictions.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[nailgunner]

You have to agree with this...

I will agree, or disagree, once I figure what you are inferring. Is it:

1) That they load up their product with advertising and other crap, like radio, newspapers, movie theaters, TV and everything else these days? Yup, no denying that.

or

2) Because of the loaded up crap, it serves as some kind of justification for pirating? If that's the case then what you are really suggesting at the end is that we vote with our moral code, or lack of one, instead of voting with our wallets.

 

[Solarstarshines]

HMMM RIGHT NOW I JUST PIRATED THIS THREAD ON A DIFFERENT PC PLEASE DON'T TELL THE POLICE ON ME

I JUST HAPPENED TO LOG ON AND WALLA INSTANT THREAD

 

[noobvious]

HMMM RIGHT NOW I JUST PIRATED THIS THREAD ON A DIFFERENT PC PLEASE DON'T TELL THE POLICE ON ME

I JUST HAPPENED TO LOG ON AND WALLA INSTANT THREAD

That image never stops being funny

 

[nailgunner]

That image never stops being funny

I'm sure hoping that was a public domain pic, because I may have just "borrowed" it.

 

[Solarstarshines]

Point was defently made there

 

[OneSerious]

Ok guys, let's make an experiment, everyone that shared movie/song with a friend please raise your hands (be honest) Ask your friends with how many people they shared the file/s...Now, how is that right, but doing the same thing through torrent not? Yes, the first method isn't fast as the second, but anyway, isn't it illegal?

Good sir, I raised this point numerous times to no avail. Apparently it's fine to share among friends and family thus costing the good industry folks revenue. However, whilst doing that it's still okay to complain about internet piracy. Gotta love it.

 

[Barman58]

What we need to do here is to clarify what is legal and what is illegal

It is my understanding that the following is true for the UK

You can make a copy of purchased recorded content, for your own use to a different form of media
This covers backup purposes and the creation of a CD copy of music etc for playback on the computer, or a digital music player, (there was an allowance always made to copy a CD to cassette for playing in the car).

Once you are the owner of the physical media, if you no longer wish to retain this you can dispose of it by sale or gift to any other person, so long as you destroy any copies made as per above, completely, prior to disposal. The new owner of the media would be entitled to make copies under the same restrictions as the original.

If this was not true then it would be illegal to buy a CD / DVD/ Book as a present for someone else. The content provider is only eligible for one payment for any particular physical media.

It is also perfectly legal to loan media to a third party either for payment or not without further payment to the content provider, That is the way that libraries and DVD hire companies operate

You enter the realm of illegality, once you copy the content, by any means, and give it to another person, whilst retaining the original, the sharing method is immaterial, it is equally illegal to physically copy a CD or Photocopy a book, as it is to use P2P networks to share.

Software is more confused as to what restrictions apply due to the clicking through of the EULA that is required to install - this has not been challenged in a court as yet so may or may not be legally binding.

Obviously each country will have it's own version of these statutes but the general position is normally the same, to my knowledge.

Although, for example, I believe that Apples EULA restriction on installing on non Apple hardware was rejected by a Swedish court some years ago

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there
I think we all agree the LAW is an imbecile on these matters -- I'm sure whether its legal or not if you loan a copy of a CD to someone you KNOW the purpose is for them to copy it.

Incidentally I'm sure when people used to borrow music CD's from the library they surely copied them if they liked the music -- being usually Classical Music there doesn't seem to be so much of an issue here about copying.

What about high quality streamed audio broadcasts -- people copy these as well.

The law is a complete MORON on these matters -- a) it's simply to vague, and b) hasn't a HOPE of even being slightly enforced -- and as we all know Bad laws are very quickly turned into objects of redicule and certainly not respected by the general public anyway.

People will just have to LIVE with file sharing -- Piracy and all whether they like it or not it's here to stay.

As far as software is concerned - until the CPU manufacturers build in a unique identifier for every CPU which Windows or other software can check at installation time then software will continue to be pirated and whatever the activation mechanism some people will ALWAYS be able to find a way round it.

We just need to get real on this -- if you don't file share then don't -- if you do then its between you and your maker what you share and how you do it.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[OneSerious]

What we need to do here is to clarify what is legal and what is illegal

It is my understanding that the following is true for the UK

You can make a copy of purchased recorded content, for your own use to a different form of media
This covers backup purposes and the creation of a CD copy of music etc for playback on the computer, or a digital music player, (there was an allowance always made to copy a CD to cassette for playing in the car).

Once you are the owner of the physical media, if you no longer wish to retain this you can dispose of it by sale or gift to any other person, so long as you destroy any copies made as per above, completely, prior to disposal. The new owner of the media would be entitled to make copies under the same restrictions as the original.

If this was not true then it would be illegal to buy a CD / DVD/ Book as a present for someone else. The content provider is only eligible for one payment for any particular physical media.

It is also perfectly legal to loan media to a third party either for payment or not without further payment to the content provider, That is the way that libraries and DVD hire companies operate

You enter the realm of illegality, once you copy the content, by any means, and give it to another person, whilst retaining the original, the sharing method is immaterial, it is equally illegal to physically copy a CD or Photocopy a book, as it is to use P2P networks to share.

Software is more confused as to what restrictions apply due to the clicking through of the EULA that is required to install - this has not been challenged in a court as yet so may or may not be legally binding.

Obviously each country will have it's own version of these statutes but the general position is normally the same, to my knowledge.

Although, for example, I believe that Apples EULA restriction on installing on non Apple hardware was rejected by a Swedish court some years ago

I'd say that is about bang on. Exactly what I've been trying to say only you said it better .

It is also perfectly legal to loan media to a third party either for payment or not without further payment to the content provider, That is the way that libraries and DVD hire companies operate

I imagine these companies need a licence to do so. I could be wrong, correct me if I am. But I can't see it being legal for me to buy a CD then lending it out for money.

I should also point out. I have no problem with lending, so much as I complain about it here. I'm only playing advocate because I don't condemn file sharing and can't understand the thinking of folks who can have one, but not the other.

 

[wilywombat]

Barman...you have summed the matter up most eloquently...my congratulation!! To nailgunner:- If you have"borrowed" noobvious's jpg then I hope you aren't sharing it using p2p!!!