MSE 2 Final Released!

Well as for time, this is an on-line scan right? So internet speed could account for the length of time. As to file count, I think Anak asked a very valid question - what was the configuration settings used. I see what's posted, but....
 

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I don't know what file extensions ESET or any other scanner might exclude by default---even if the user wants to scan "everything".

I watched the screen on and off during the ESET scan and can say that it did scan JPG files, mp3s, and all of my video files.

There may be a fine distinction between "files" and "objects". ESET refers to the former. I think MSE uses the latter term?

I suspect the bulk of the discrepancy is within Windows--on the C drive. Not in my personal files.
 

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There may be a fine distinction between "files" and "objects". ESET refers to the former. I think MSE uses the latter term?
That's a possibility, given the discrepancy with the number of items scanned.

FYI:

I just completed an ESET online complete scan:

284,000 scanned files in 90 minutes.

This compares to yesterday's MSE 2 scan of 887,000 items---also in 90 minutes.

Total space occupied is 1.05 TB across 3 partitions.

C: 24 gigs on a WD black 7200 rpm
D: 339 gigs on the same WD black
E: 682 gigs on a WD green 5400 rpm

I did not knowingly exclude anything from the scans.

Dunno about the discrepancy between 887,000 versus 284,000.
 

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Dunno about the discrepancy between 887,000 versus 284,000.
If you had MSE2 set to do a full scan, that's what it does. It scans everything.

Do you know how Eset was configured for your scans, and any of the characteristics of that configuration?
After reading ignatzatsonic's post....Curiosity got the better of me, and I had to try this "ESET online complete? (EOLS) scan".

I wanted to see what the difference between apples and oranges was.

The only difference between ignatzatsonic, and me is that I clicked on "Scan for potentially unsafe objects", and I did that to include everything possible to start the scan.
Because, when you research for forums, Fame can be fleeting.....

You will note that the screen says that another antivirus app was detected. If you click the "show list" link, it says Windows Defender (not MSE). I did NOT disable MSE or Defender.
Defender is a moot point when you have MSE installed. It is automatically stopped.
I'm not overly concerned about the discrepancy in the file count, but would like to hear comments nonetheless.
Neither am I. I attribute it to the way the different developers attack the problem of malware.

Since one of the biggest complaints about anti-virus programs is their sluggishness and heavy load on the system, many companies skip scanning files deemed not risky. Anak called it with his comment that when you tell MSE to scan everything it scans everything. :)
And for what ever security program you have; If it is "Real-Time" expect a decrease in performance!

Well as for time, this is an on-line scan right? So internet speed could account for the length of time. As to file count, I think Anak asked a very valid question - what was the configuration settings used. I see what's posted, but....
So internet speed could account for the length of time.
My apologies sygnus, but that is somewhat incorrect. it only applies to the length of time to download, and set-up the program.
Once a user starts the EOLS there is a four part process that, starts, runs, finishes, and removes the program.
All Conditions to run EOLS are met before the user starts it.
( Think portable program ;) )

I don't know what file extensions ESET or any other scanner might exclude by default---even if the user wants to scan "everything".

I watched the screen on and off during the ESET scan and can say that it did scan JPG files, mp3s, and all of my video files.

There may be a fine distinction between "files" and "objects". ESET refers to the former. I think MSE uses the latter term?

I suspect the bulk of the discrepancy is within Windows--on the C drive. Not in my personal files.
Until further corroboration I can go along with your assumption.
Developers minds are like diamonds...One can never tell which direction a beam will go until it intercedes a value.

There may be a fine distinction between "files" and "objects". ESET refers to the former. I think MSE uses the latter term?
That's a possibility, given the discrepancy with the number of items scanned.

FYI:

I just completed an ESET online complete scan:

284,000 scanned files in 90 minutes.

This compares to yesterday's MSE 2 scan of 887,000 items---also in 90 minutes.

Total space occupied is 1.05 TB across 3 partitions.

C: 24 gigs on a WD black 7200 rpm
D: 339 gigs on the same WD black
E: 682 gigs on a WD green 5400 rpm

I did not knowingly exclude anything from the scans.

Dunno about the discrepancy between 887,000 versus 284,000.
My finals, using Eset terminology, and again with ranges, low to high:

EOLS scanned 97741 objects.
Scanning duration, 1:03:10 = 63minutes 10 seconds.

Memory Processes observed during the scan:
OnLineCMDlineService.exe ~ Ranged from 28604KB to 75408KB
OnLineServiceApp.exe ~ Ranged from 13920KB to 24720KB

At Idle the CMDService Stopped 000000KB
At Idle the ServiceApp maintained 3684KB

There may be others, but these two were the only ones I observed.


As I said earlier; "Curiosity got the better of me", and I wanted to see how these "Apples and Oranges" compared.

You be the judge.
For myself I can not see how an online scanner can be more proficient than an in-stalled resident program.
 

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You have your view, and we have ours ;)

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, and never the twain shall meet? nice reversal!..............
 

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, and never the twain shall meet? nice reversal!..............

We won't say that.... :D

You have some points, but I think we do too :)

And thanks.
 

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, and never the twain shall meet? nice reversal!..............

We won't say that.... :D

You have some points, but I think we do too :)

And thanks.
I would like to know why, when you respond Anak is singular, but sygnus21 is plural?



I am not here to tip the scales of understanding, my only desire is to present the efforts of results in an "Un-Official" performance test.

If you think I have blundered into an area that creates ambiguity.
I would like to know.
 

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I would like to know why, when you respond Anak is singular, but sygnus21 is plural?

Well, your reply addressed both myself and Ignatzatsonic (plural) - thus the we in my reply to you (singular).

There's no hidden agenda or anything, and I'm not here to cause problems. I stated my view, you stated yours. We'll leave it at that.

Peace :cool:
 

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I would like to know why, when you respond Anak is singular, but sygnus21 is plural?

Well, your reply addressed both myself and Ignatzatsonic (plural) - thus the we in my reply to you (singular).

There's no hidden agenda or anything, and I'm not here to cause problems. I stated my view, you stated yours. We'll leave it at that.

Peace :cool:
I can accept that.

English was never my major, and I always had difficulty with the verbiage. I appreciate your honesty.

May peace, and the blessings of the season be with you, ignatzatsonic, and all who have participated in this discussion also.

Peace :cool:
 

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A "daily" full scan. Really???
lol....yup, starts at noon every day, and I just let it go on in the background while I continue to do whatever I was doing.:o

A "daily" full scan. Really???

Umm.... No???

I think common sense dictates a daily full scan isn't needed ;)
So maybe I'm being a little paranoid? :D
My family tech guru lives five hours away, so I guess maybe I am a little too careful. I've made it over a year now, with tons of online time without catching any viruses, but hey, if you guys think the default weekly scan is good enough, I'm willing to give it a shot. And I was never known for my common sense, either.:p
 

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I might do a "full" scan about once a month, but my "quick" scans are scheduled weekly. That works for me.
 

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In over 15 years of personal computing, I have NEVER done scheduled scans.

The purpose of anti-virus and anti-malware applications is to prevent bad stuff from ever getting on your PC.

If the applications are doing the job, a scan should find nothing. In my case, that is exactly what has happened whenever I do a manual scan. Nothing found.

Nothing wrong with scheduled scans and to each his own, etcetera.

I do a manual once a month or so, out of obsessiveness as much as anything.
 

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Yeah, cause you can never be too careful. I'm pretty careful of where I browse, what I open, or put on my machine.... yet my recent scan found Java issues.... so you never know ;)

As you said, to each his own.
 

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Hi All Ive had this version installed for 3 days now and for sure the system icon is not as animated as it used to be.(at least in my case)The system icon no longer displayes the arrow symbol when updating automatically unless its done manually with the interface open. Also the scan started pop up that used to appear has gone.I can only presume this is because of the extra information they have put on the update tab regarding update times. Has anyone else noticed this lack of animation from the system icon. Dan
 

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So how's the network inspection tool? Can anyone show a screenshot of it? I won't be able to see it until later tonight when I go home and update. :D
There is not much to look at. It's a Sub-setting in Settings.

As far as I can tell it's either on or off.

A different opinion.
  • Network Inspection System
    • Attackers are increasingly carrying out network-based attacks against exposed vulnerabilities before software vendors can develop and distribute security updates. Studies of vulnerabilities show that it can take a month or longer from the time of an initial attack report before a suitable security update is developed, tested, and released. This gap in protection leaves many computers vulnerable to attacks and exploitation for a substantial period of time. Network Inspection System works with real-time protection to better protect you against network-based attacks by greatly reducing the timespan between vulnerability disclosures and update deployment from weeks to a few hours.
An Ashraf Review at dotTech:
New v2 of Microsoft Security Essentials brings new features, makes improvements | Freeware Reviews | dotTech

Well, that's certainly interesting mate. It seems there are only a few added features to this release. But that's how I like my Security Software, simple.

I've backread a couple of pages and noticed some people had JAVA malware issues. I'm quite hesitant to update due to that. Are there any other opinions regarding that?

Also, once I update, I'll be doing some network testing to see how much the network inspection feature would affect speeds.

Happy New Year everyone!
 

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Well, that's certainly interesting mate. It seems there are only a few added features to this release. But that's how I like my Security Software, simple.

I've backread a couple of pages and noticed some people had JAVA malware issues. I'm quite hesitant to update due to that. Are there any other opinions regarding that?

Also, once I update, I'll be doing some network testing to see how much the network inspection feature would affect speeds.

Happy New Year everyone![/QUOTE]

I was one of them that had the Java issues. I removed Java for a few days, then decided to re-install and do another full scan. This time there were no problems. So, could be those 10 files that originally showed up as infected, really were, or it was a false positive. I'm going to do more frequent full scans just to check. Not sure what to think for now.
 

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I also pointed out the Java issues but since then have had no more reports. Could have been a false positive, could have been those files where problematic and an update fixed the issue.

Anyways since removing those files I've had no more notices from MSE and I'm still using java.
 

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I was one of them that had the Java issues. I removed Java for a few days, then decided to re-install and do another full scan. This time there were no problems. So, could be those 10 files that originally showed up as infected, really were, or it was a false positive. I'm going to do more frequent full scans just to check. Not sure what to think for now.

I also pointed out the Java issues but since then have had no more reports. Could have been a false positive, could have been those files where problematic and an update fixed the issue.

Anyways since removing those files I've had no more notices from MSE and I'm still using java.

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the input. I've jumped into the bandwagon and updated about 20 minutes ago.

I'll be trying to update JAVA but I believe I already have the latest version. I'll do a full scan afterward and see what happens. I'll let you guys know :D
 

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Memory
2 x 4GB Corsair XMS 3 DDR3 -1600 CL9
Graphics Card(s)
AMD Radeon HD 5850 1GB GDDR5
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On-board 6-Channel HD Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
18' LG Flatron E1942TC-BN on DVI, 18' Chimei 95ND on HDMI
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Google Chrome 64 Bit
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LG G4 H818P - Rooted with Xposed Framework
I just updated but have no system tray icon any more :(
 

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